Gallagher staying?

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Gallagher staying?

That's up to him. So far he has refused any interest in him from other clubs.

5 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

The Twatterati are saying Andrey is going back on loan to Strasbourg for the season.

Good move for the kid.

 

 

Think that’s sensible. Decided early everyone knows where they stand. Next

On 14/07/2024 at 00:54, Remodez said:

I don't believe there is anything inherently special about the PL, it is absolutely possible to loan out players to foreign teams for them to be ready for PL. We keep trying to force PL teams to play our youths and this rarely works out.

By all accounts Porto wanted Santos on loan but we went with Forrest instead, decisions like this are what cost us in the long run. Even if the Forrest loan had worked out and he played more often, you still can't beat the stability offered by Porto, CL football and their elite coaching. 

We loaned Borja n Gallagher. Both were regular for palace n soton. 

Getting a loan in another PL team is the best case scenario because you don't need to guess how they will fare in PL. 

 

9 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

The Twatterati are saying Andrey is going back on loan to Strasbourg for the season.

Good move for the kid.

 

 

Actually I disagree and proves for me that this whole project is totally flawed, as we all said. Buying South American kids from South Amercan leagues is pointless because the leagues are sh*t and it is total pot luck if any of these players make it. It all hot air to me. I won't believe any of this stuff until I see some PL evidence any of these players can make. Can't even get games on loan in the PL.

The only players to be deemed a relative success so far are Gusto and Hutchinson. All the rest, believe it when I see it.

8 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Gallagher staying?

Can't see it. More like moving Santos out, loan again and then he will be gone, and a chance to shoehorn KDH in.

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

We loaned Borja n Gallagher. Both were regular for palace n soton. 

Getting a loan in another PL team is the best case scenario because you don't need to guess how they will fare in PL. 

 

Not under this ownership was it?

Under this ownership we loaned Broja to Fulham and Santos to Nottingham Forest.  Despite these having a big future at Chelsea apparently neither could get a game for Silva or Cooper, both pretty sensible astute managers.

57 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Can't see it. More like moving Santos out, loan again and then he will be gone, and a chance to shoehorn KDH in.

Gallagher has 1 year left on his contract. Think the club has backed itself into a corner here, the player knows the club has been trying to sell him for the last 2 windows. The club seem to somehow think they can convince him to sign a new contract, which makes no sense because come next summer they will be shopping him again. No club is paying the £50m they are after, and if I were him I would dig in. They can’t send him to the reserves because they will need to buy someone else to take him place in the first team. He will walk as a free agent next summer.

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Gallagher has 1 year left on his contract. Think the club has backed itself into a corner here, the player knows the club has been trying to sell him for the last 2 windows. The club seem to somehow think they can convince him to sign a new contract, which makes no sense because come next summer they will be shopping him again. No club is paying the £50m they are after, and if I were him I would dig in. They can’t send him to the reserves because they will need to buy someone else to take him place in the first team. He will walk as a free agent next summer.

I can see Conor running his contract down - and I don’t blame him. They’ve shown no faith in him whatsoever and are just seeing the £££ signs. 

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Actually I disagree and proves for me that this whole project is totally flawed, as we all said. Buying South American kids from South Amercan leagues is pointless because the leagues are sh*t and it is total pot luck if any of these players make it. It all hot air to me. I won't believe any of this stuff until I see some PL evidence any of these players can make. Can't even get games on loan in the PL.

The only players to be deemed a relative success so far are Gusto and Hutchinson. All the rest, believe it when I see it.

We signed Santos for £10m

If he does as expected this season at Strasbourg he will be worth 25m+. If he does better then we have first dibs on a quality player. 

Doesn't sound flawed to me. 

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Actually I disagree and proves for me that this whole project is totally flawed, as we all said. Buying South American kids from South Amercan leagues is pointless because the leagues are sh*t and it is total pot luck if any of these players make it. It all hot air to me. I won't believe any of this stuff until I see some PL evidence any of these players can make. Can't even get games on loan in the PL.

The only players to be deemed a relative success so far are Gusto and Hutchinson. All the rest, believe it when I see it.

I don't think the whole project is flawed.

The idea has always been to keep salary low and maintain/increase player value. Santos salary is low n his value is definitely higher that what we bought. So it is a success. 

Now if you want to talk about how all this strategy help us win, that is different conversation. 

Edited July 21, 20241 yr by Bob stark

Have to ask whether it’ll be better to send him out on loan to a PL club for the sake of Premier League experience or to Strasbourg who are trying to play a similar way as Chelsea. 

14 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Have to ask whether it’ll be better to send him out on loan to a PL club for the sake of Premier League experience or to Strasbourg who are trying to play a similar way as Chelsea. 

I agree...hard one there.

I hope if its strasbourg then that gives us a hint they value him for the chelsea team next season.

Yet he would be more prepared for the Premier league if he got loaned out in the Premier league.

 

I've only heard of bundesliga clubs wanting him so far...anyone from the pl want him on loan? Also if so...I hope there's a set limit of minimum game time and not just on the bench. (Which we could guarantee at strasbourg)

 

Ohhh....lots of pros and cons there.

26 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Have to ask whether it’ll be better to send him out on loan to a PL club for the sake of Premier League experience or to Strasbourg who are trying to play a similar way as Chelsea. 

Doesn't really matter, playing is the most important. It didn't harm KDB for example.

I know nothing about Strasbourg though saying that. 

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

We loaned Borja n Gallagher. Both were regular for palace n soton. 

Getting a loan in another PL team is the best case scenario because you don't need to guess how they will fare in PL. 

 

On Broja, he played in Holland the season before and did fine. Went to Soton and also did fine. 

A PL loan where they play every game would be ideal but getting a PL club shouldn't be the main priority. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Have to ask whether it’ll be better to send him out on loan to a PL club for the sake of Premier League experience or to Strasbourg who are trying to play a similar way as Chelsea. 

Multi club model would suggest that strasbourg is the infinitely more sensible move.

We all have each others best interests at heart, both clubs, economics and player.... all while getting top flight and european experience.

On the other hand, a EPL loan is hugely risky - as the other club has one thing as a priority interest...themselves. The upside is the EPL experience that the player gets - but I am not convinced it is that much of an upside.  Plenty of players have come to EPL without previous english experience and done very well....

 

 

8 hours ago, bisright1 said:

We signed Santos for £10m

If he does as expected this season at Strasbourg he will be worth 25m+. If he does better then we have first dibs on a quality player. 

Doesn't sound flawed to me. 

Great, so don't big it all up as part of a grand scheme of getting the club back to an elite status.  Let's all accept that the vast number, if not all, are being purchased purely to farm out and move on for small amounts  or large in some cases, of profit that will add to the coffers. So in the same way that DD Fofana was purchased purely for potential gain with virtually no possibility of playing for Chelsea regularly, I get the same vibes about the majority of these signings now. Guiu, Kellyman, Wiley, none of these are Chelsea players. There are here purely to increase the profitability of the Company. So there is a project, and I understand it. Its not a Chelsea project because there is little, if any, sporting endeavour involved. Its a BlueCo project, along with other areas where they are trying to maximise profit and minimise loss on.

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think the whole project is flawed.

The idea has always been to keep salary low and maintain/increase player value. Santos salary is low n his value is definitely higher that what we bought. So it is a success. 

Now if you want to talk about how all this strategy help us win, that is different conversation. 

Okay, so as I clarified my thoughts in another post. There is a project, I can see the project and I understand it. Its not a Chelsea project, its a Blueco project, because it is not about sporting endeavour, its about farming kids through the system and churning bits of profit where we can.

So when Yannick is on YouTube giving us all the positive metrics about the latest unknown kid I'm meh. I don't care cos its nothing to do with Chelsea. I don't care whether they buy Anselmino or not, cos he's never going to play for the club despite the waffle the club might be spinning out.

4 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Great, so don't big it all up as part of a grand scheme of getting the club back to an elite status.  Let's all accept that the vast number, if not all, are being purchased purely to farm out and move on for small amounts  or large in some cases, of profit that will add to the coffers. So in the same way that DD Fofana was purchased purely for potential gain with virtually no possibility of playing for Chelsea regularly, I get the same vibes about the majority of these signings now. Guiu, Kellyman, Wiley, none of these are Chelsea players. There are here purely to increase the profitability of the Company. So there is a project, and I understand it. It's not a Chelsea project because there is little, if any, sporting endeavour involved. It's a BlueCo project, along with other areas where they are trying to maximise profit and minimise loss on.

Before my response I just want to point out that I personally think multi club ownership is against the spirit of the game and should be banned.

In terms of what we're doing, I think it's essentially taking a punt on signing young players and hoping they come good, saving us potentially hundreds of millions in transfer fees in the future, rather than having the mindset of financial return first and then integrating them into the team second. The point of Strasbourg is to be essentially a place to get European experience in an good league and to try to get them ready made for Chelsea, hence the appointment of Liam Rosenior who favours a possession based style which is what we're going to be playing under Maresca.
 

The jump from Strasbourg to Chelsea is a big one so there will be some players who we don't seem good enough to make the cut, but hopefully will still get us a bit of profit because of how much we've paid for them. If a player is a massive standout, something that we're hoping for with Santos by the sounds of it, then he'll be back in next season. 

7 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Before my response I just want to point out that I personally think multi club ownership is against the spirit of the game and should be banned.

In terms of what we're doing, I think it's essentially taking a punt on signing young players and hoping they come good, saving us potentially hundreds of millions in transfer fees in the future, rather than having the mindset of financial return first and then integrating them into the team second. The point of Strasbourg is to be essentially a place to get European experience in an good league and to try to get them ready made for Chelsea, hence the appointment of Liam Rosenior who favours a possession based style which is what we're going to be playing under Maresca.
 

The jump from Strasbourg to Chelsea is a big one so there will be some players who we don't seem good enough to make the cut, but hopefully will still get us a bit of profit because of how much we've paid for them. If a player is a massive standout, something that we're hoping for with Santos by the sounds of it, then he'll be back in next season. 

It sounds reasonable in theory, but isn't there a restriction on the number of kids we can send out to European loans. We'll have a select number of academy graduates (dwindling of course, because of this model we've chosen) plus the group bought last year that still have done nothing ( Santos, Gabriel, Moreira,  Washington, Ugochukwu) and then Kellyman, Guiu, Wiley so far this year. And let's not forget there is still some dross about that we may have to do something with if we can't sell them. How many can go to Srrasbourg or other European clubs?

 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

It sounds reasonable in theory, but isn't there a restriction on the number of kids we can send out to European loans. We'll have a select number of academy graduates (dwindling of course, because of this model we've chosen) plus the group bought last year that still have done nothing ( Santos, Gabriel, Moreira,  Washington, Ugochukwu) and then Kellyman, Guiu, Wiley so far this year. And let's not forget there is still some dross about that we may have to do something with if we can't sell them. How many can go to Srrasbourg or other European clubs?

 

Foreign loans are capped at a maximum of 6 players and a limit of 3 to the same club (Strasbourg).

2 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Foreign loans are capped at a maximum of 6 players and a limit of 3 to the same club (Strasbourg).

And hasn't that Anselmino lad been bought and loaned straight back to Boca?

Savio did really well at a nothing club like Girona and now is in the ManC  squad at least.

Edited July 22, 20241 yr by ozboy

16 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I don't think the whole project is flawed.

The idea has always been to keep salary low and maintain/increase player value. Santos salary is low n his value is definitely higher that what we bought. So it is a success. 

Now if you want to talk about how all this strategy help us win, that is different conversation. 

Very clearly stated. Personally I think the young player strategy will also help us win over time but that is yet to be proved.

7 hours ago, timetowaste said:

Before my response I just want to point out that I personally think multi club ownership is against the spirit of the game and should be banned.

100% but it does let struggling clubs in smaller leagues get access to more talent and more money.

Edited July 22, 20241 yr by ozboy