Just now, Jackson27 said:

It Wasn't On Tuchel But He Didn't Think Midfield Needed Sorting So That's On Him, This Whole Thing Goes Back To Even Before Our Transfer Ban I Say 

 

I wonder how much of a say our managers have with the signings. It was the case under Roman, and feels like it's rumbled on now. The players are bought and they are told to make it work.

I was never in favour of getting rid of Tuchel, so I'm no great fan of Potter but he is far from solely to blame for this, plenty of what is going on has to be accepted by the players.

There is no hunger and desire and a definite lack of giving a sh*t from some of them, and that annoys me more than results.

Someone within this group, actually plenty of them need to get a grip of this and have it out, it's not only the play that isn't good enough it's their attitude.

That said and done I didn't think we were that bad in the first half and up to the sending off. Shame about Felix, as he actually decided that shooting was a good thing.

Feck it anyway, we keep going.

KTBFFH

 

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

The only obvious difference here seems to be that the players downed tools even earlier than usual. Normally they give a manager a year or so.

To be honest forbzy I thought we sacked Tuchel too soon and I thought Potter was a brave appointment but given far too long a contract. 

Most of the players downing tools had already downed tools under Tuchel. Not because of the manager but more because they are lazy footballers and arguably sh*t professionals. Ziyech, Jorginho, Havertz, Pulisic and Aubameyang wouldn't bust a gut to get to their Dads funeral.

Likes of Mount and Kovacic I don't think have downed tools. Kovacic just really isn't a very good footballer and Mount is hideously off form.

3 minutes ago, carrickblue said:

misses Palace, Liverpool and Fulham. can't play in the league until 11 Feb

thks

1 minute ago, Vialli96 said:

You settle for mediocrity and want to take the club in the direction and path Arsenal were on for 20 years and win nothing. When’s its not working and there’s not one positive sign it will work you change it…it’s called being pragmatic and forward thinking. That’s a real Chelsea fan. Stop living in fantasy land. 

I don't settle for mediocrity at all, I do know that there is NO manager on this planet that gets this team anywhere near challenging!  You're the one 'living in fantasy land'!! Do you know the history of Chelsea fc?  Do you know the journey this club was on in the 1970's?  Because if you do then you'd realise that you are advocating that the club goes down the same road!

What concerns me is the amount of money going out of the door. Over £300m spent, an owner who wont have the same view as the Russians to dropping cash and losses. And now even more compensation to a manager going quickly. 

 

I do believe Potter is a good manager. What he did at Brighton on a shoestring comparatively was excellent. But I never felt he was the right fit with us. Certainly not with the squad we have. 

Was it January when Lampard got sucked?  Ohhh...I get it now. Potter is just a placeholder until January(and he is doing an excellent job if I may say so)... the plan was all along to hire Tuchel again as a mid-season crisis manager who would sort this out and wins the Champions League again.  That all makes sense. Doesn't it? or Does it?

Now I can calm down and relax.

P.S Now knowing how all this plays out everybody should just take it easy, open a bottle of Champagne and enjoy the ride. A new shiny Champions League Cup is coming to Chelsea trophy cabinet for season 2022/2023. Potter will also get a medal for that.

Edited January 12, 20233 yr by rocker_joker

1 minute ago, Carloseyebrow said:

I was never in favour of getting rid of Tuchel, so I'm no great fan of Potter but he is far from solely to blame for this, plenty of what is going on has to be accepted by the players.

There is no hunger and desire and a definite lack of giving a sh*t from some of them, and that annoys me more than results.

Someone within this group, actually plenty of them need to get a grip of this and have it out, it's not only the play that isn't good enough it's their attitude.

That said and done I didn't think we were that bad in the first half and up to the sending off. Shame about Felix, as he actually decided that shooting was a good thing.

Feck it anyway, we keep going.

KTBFFH

 

That is the oddest thing. Some individuals - Kepa, Chalobah, KK, Azpi, Havertz, to an extent Kovacic - were extremely poor out there but, up to the sending off, the performance was decent.

Question is is just a 'decent' performance enough against Fulham.

27 minutes ago, rocker_joker said:

If Potter is booted tomorrow. Would that make Chelsea the first team to have 3 managers in one season?

Surely Watford have already done that. If so illustrious company to be keeping

2 minutes ago, Pob said:

 

I wonder how much of a say our managers have with the signings. It was the case under Roman, and feels like it's rumbled on now. The players are bought and they are told to make it work.

I only hope that the new signings are Potters and not somebody else's!

2 minutes ago, Droyman said:

And the result of doing that would be another manager who inherits a sub-par team and starts losing games!! Do you know anything about Chelsea's history?

Agreed. Of course somebody new might get temporarily get a tune out of a couple of our mercenaries but overall there are far bigger issues. For a start we need to get some of our injured players back and healthy

ill be at sundays game cant think what team will be, any talent standing out from academy???

 

Its up to the owners to sort the club out now, but they are desperately inexperienced not only in this sport but at this level - completely farkin lost. I wonder do they know we have jeopardy in our sporting leagues ? No relegation in baseball so it was a no brainer backing an at first unsuccessful coach at The Dodgers, and bc there's no relegation one can  issue practically risk free 6 year contracts. We have signed sub par players on long contracts and high wages, signed a very expensive inexperienced coach who I thought had potential but that's been left behind at Brighton I see. Miserable to be a fan at the moment.

4 minutes ago, Stas1 said:

This squad lacks strength of character and massively lacks will to win and leadership. But it is not GP's fault. 

Did I get that right?

Yes. Who built the squad, and also failed to rid us of some of them. Not Potter. 

A manager can't turn the likes of Ziyech, Jorginho, Havertz, Aubameyang into quality professionals. They never will be. We are carrying too many 'meh' attitudes and no team can cope with that when the chips are down 

 

He came he saw and he got a 3 match ban

1 minute ago, Parisian Blue said:

What concerns me is the amount of money going out of the door. Over £300m spent, an owner who wont have the same view as the Russians to dropping cash and losses. And now even more compensation to a manager going quickly. 

 

I do believe Potter is a good manager. What he did at Brighton on a shoestring comparatively was excellent. But I never felt he was the right fit with us. Certainly not with the squad we have. 

Potter hasn't even had the chance to pick from the squad we have!  He's picking whatever is currently not walking on crutches!

Say We Do Sack Potter, What Then, Same Recruitment We've Done Before Bad Run For A Manager Within A Year To 18 Months Rinse Repeat With No Direction It's Pointless

18 minutes ago, Droyman said:

THIS team did NOT win the Champions league 19 months ago though did it and there were ELEVEN players on the pitch that night too! They wouldn't have won it with 10 would they!? 

Graham Potter was appointed on September 12th. Droyman joined this forum on September 20th. Every post is effectively defending Potter and slagging the team off. Go on mate f*ck off and join the Potter forum, this one is for Chelsea fans.

Edited January 12, 20233 yr by Jackbuchanan

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Agreed. Of course somebody new might get temporarily get a tune out of a couple of our mercenaries but overall there are far bigger issues. For a start we need to get some of our injured players back and healthy

I don't think I've ever known ANY club have an injury crisis anything like it!  Its either a 'curse' or there is something not right with the Chelsea player fitness department!

14 minutes ago, Droyman said:

Is this site full of recent gloryhunters?  Are there any real Chelsea fans on here?

How is it glory hunting to not want the team to perform like sh*te in every game? I'm sure we will get the old "well in the 70's we were always sh*t" excuse. It's not 1970 anymore, the expectations are higher and I won't apologise for expecting the team to be performing better than a team sitting at the bottom of the table. The players are letting the fans down with their work ethic and Potter is doing a sh*t coaching job. Joao Felix has come in for one game and performed better than any of this lot have performed in months. He stupidly got himself sent off, but at least he was 100% commited, the rest will jump out of the way of tackles because they are afraid of getting hurt. I'm sure Potter will coach that out of him though because he would rather have us playing 10 passes across our own penalty area over getting it forward quickly and try and win a game and entertain the fans.

As for the rest of these jokers, they don't give a f**k about this club, so why should I back them? They will sooner see this club go down than give up their paycheck and f**k off to some other club to stink their place out.

Edited January 12, 20233 yr by Scott Harris

Just now, Jackson27 said:

Say We Do Sack Potter, What Then, Same Recruitment We've Done Before Bad Run For A Manager Within A Year To 18 Months Rinse Repeat With No Direction It's Pointless

EXACTLY this!

reckon we probably want Leeds to beat Villa tomorrow 

2 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

How is it glory hunting to not want the team to perform like sh*te in every game? I'm sure we will get the old "well in the 70's we were always sh*t" excuse. It's not 1970 anymore, the expectations are higher and I won't apologise for expecting the team to be performing better than a team sitting at the bottom of the table. The players are letting the fans down with their work ethic and Potter is doing a sh*t coaching job. Joao Felix has come in for one game and performed better than any of this lot have performed in months. He stupidly got himself sent off, but at least he was 100% commited, the rest will jump out of the way of tackles because they are afraid of getting hurt. I'm sure Potter will coach that out of him though because he would rather have us playing 10 passes across our own penalty area over getting it forward quickly and try and win a game and entertain the fans.

As for the rest of these jokers, they don't give a f**k about this club, so why should I back them? They will sooner see this club go down than give up their paycheck and f**k off to some other club to stink their place out.

Its 'not' 1970 anymore???? You do realise that 1970 was a GREAT year for Chelsea FC don't you? Do you seriously think that expectation weren't as high back then?  Of course its what happened in the 10 years AFTER 1970 that should be a warning to us now right?  Do you know about the saga of John Neal?  I don't think you do.

Edited January 12, 20233 yr by Droyman

4 minutes ago, loz said:

To be honest forbzy I thought we sacked Tuchel too soon and I thought Potter was a brave appointment but given far too long a contract. 

Most of the players downing tools had already downed tools under Tuchel. Not because of the manager but more because they are lazy footballers and arguably sh*t professionals. Ziyech, Jorginho, Havertz, Pulisic and Aubameyang wouldn't bust a gut to get to their Dads funeral.

Likes of Mount and Kovacic I don't think have downed tools. Kovacic just really isn't a very good footballer and Mount is hideously off form.

And any new manager coming in now Loz will probably wipe the slate clean and all the big money (sh*t) signings and older, experienced (sh*t) players will be straight back in the starting lineup.

2 minutes ago, loz said:

Ziyech, Jorginho, Havertz, Aubameyang into quality professionals. They never will be.

Were Jorginho and Havertz not when we won the Champions League? Of course they were.

And Tuchel didn't whine because Lampard had built him a squad with for example Havertz, Ziyech, Werner and Sarr in it did he? No he got on with his job and didn't need to resort to excuses.