1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Well said, and I still think Top 4 is attainable

I would be more concerned about keeping out of a  relegation fight. 

1 minute ago, Robertofthegiz said:

I would be more concerned about keeping out of a  relegation fight. 

The right manager would have that one put to bed in 3 or 4 games ... 

I think a new manager could at least get us top 6 and into the quarter finals of the CL. More importantly, they'd have time to build for the next season and decide which players they want to get rid of.

can the people who are casting NO votes to sack please explain your reasoning  because i cant see any reason not to 

2 hours ago, dellaw said:

can the people who are casting NO votes to sack please explain your reasoning  because i cant see any reason not to 

Because it is clear to me most of the players have decided to stick the knife in to him, and I have seen this trait for decades from different player groups and different managers who became "useless".

So Potter is such a terrible manager that the players are unable to do anything but lose to Southampton right? So that means the players put in that amazing game and beat the Italian Champs at home 3-0, against their highly respected manager right? So is to the players credit vs Milan but all on Potter otherwise?

So was it TT being useless that we lost at Southampton and Leeds, or was it the players? Different managers, same issues.

Just tired of player power, I hope the owners put a stop to it.

So I've been wondering. @CaitlinCFC, @Munkworth, @dkw, @mojoand @Valerieare you in the Potter out now camp or give him more time camp.

I would ask @Modbut he has been clear for a long old while he does not believe Potter to be the man.

Also does any of you have any Vaseline you could send @coco? I hear that fence sitting has left quite a sting...

Edited February 20, 20233 yr by axman2526

I’ve never read the books or seen the films. 

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

So I've been wondering. @CaitlinCFC, @Munkworth, @dkw, @mojoand @Valerieare you in the Potter out now camp or give him more time camp.

I would ask @Modbut he has been clear for a long old while he does not believe Potter to be the man.

Also does any of you have any Vaseline you could send @coco? I hear that fence sitting has left quite a sting...

Sigh. I just don't know @axman2526 Four days a week I feel patient and reasonable (the excellently worded @evissy line in the Potter thread), the other three days - the ones after a match - I'm seething and in the other excellently worded @abramovich camp.

Focussing on the team and not the finance (i.e. the cost of sacking Potter and his staff) and what this may or may not to do for the policy of Clearlake, for this season, I suppose the team will hardly gain anything by getting in a third manager in one season. Plus, with so many new players, most of them new to the UK and the league, is it realistic to expect a tune from them mid-February... But f**king hell, just when I thought I saw some babysteps forward, it's a giant leap for mankind backwards, and we're talking very talented players here! Just goes to show that football is about working together, not about just putting 11 classy individuals on the pitch.

So for the moment I'm in camp @nonotnowjim : take the pain now, try and get rid of the managerial merry-go-round and build a more sustainable frame around the men's team. First step now is hoping we can still get a result against Dortmund (I know, I know), and wait for the summer and re-evaluate.

 

As @Valerie suggests here there are no visible steps of progression on field. That is what frustrates me the most here. However I am still not sure whether the coach here can lift of the collective monkey off backs of the players. They have to do it themselves. It can be extra hard as our squad is relatively young. 10 years ago we had a squad full of 28 year old players who are able to reflect things from the experience and work through though times. Young lads will probably need leaders around them.

I am pretty sure the time comes soon where we turn this around and collective would have learned a thing or two about this bleak period. We all know winning is a habit and this current squad has no idea what that feels like. 

What comes to Potter is he is not an extension of our culture at Chelsea from Roman-era. He is from an other type of culture. We haven't really had a coach that coaches the players as humans to be the best they can be so they can perform the best way. Holistic approach as someone here smarty mentioned. Now this is naturally how I interpret Potters approach. I have no idea whether that is the case in reality.

Anyway a manager like Klopp or Pep for me are more of old school war type leaders. They bring the feeling in and are willing to sacrifice their personas to the circus so to say. They are a bit closer to the fan in terms of feelings than Potter who rarely is able to transfer a meaningful feeling in football context through his face.

This is also why people here are saying Potter's side looks uninterested. The players are not uninterested, they are just in a massive block. When (hopefully soon) they are playing more freely Potter's face will remain the same. It has nothing to do with his on side-field persona. You can't shout players to come out of a block. People don't work like so. Motivation has to come from inside. In a perfect world anyway I suppose.

In short term that can be true (shouting works) and I am sure best coaches in the world have all the tricks of the book. But then you expose yourself to a condition where players expect you to either shout or not shout. Use that trick on them....

We are in a major watershed moment as a club here. Sack Potter because of (irrelevant) results or let them work their way out of this hump. If things are going well inside the club with players and Potter we should keep him. They then as a group have a good chance of getting out this rut.

 

Ignoring the injured players, if you take out all the players who are under the age of 23, that still leaves 19 players GP can pick from, whose average age is the magical "28".

"Young players" is the latest excuse I guess ... 

GP is simply not getting a tune out of his squad, probably because there is no discernible style, no patterns of play, no consistency in formation or selection, limited tactical ability vs the other managers he is up against, and no winning mindset.

He's sadly not a good enough manager for a top club. Full stop. If he doesn't win at Spurs then his PL win % will be LOWER than it was at Brighton !!! And it was only 28.3% there LOL.

Sometimes, when your horse is dead, you simply have to stop flogging it and get a new horse !

We have 15 games left of the season. 16 if you include the 2nd leg against Dortmund where we get knocked out of the CL.

There have been no signs of anything from Potter in 5 months. No improvements. No style of play. Not one occasion where a tactical change helped us win a game.

If we are writing off the season and just getting through it, what do we have to lose by making the change now? Giving someone better 3-4 months to get their ideas in before the end of the season. Otherwise, we'll continue with this downward spiral, and if we make the change in the summer, the manager will only have pre-season.

Wee Pat Nevin is in the keep Potter  camp 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11769589/PAT-NEVIN-Chelsea-fans-want-Graham-Potter-hope-board-stick-him.html

8 hours ago, axman2526 said:

So I've been wondering. @CaitlinCFC, @Munkworth, @dkw, @mojoand @Valerieare you in the Potter out now camp or give him more time camp.

I would ask @Modbut he has been clear for a long old while he does not believe Potter to be the man.

Also does any of you have any Vaseline you could send @coco? I hear that fence sitting has left quite a sting...

Keep him until the end of the season...

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

Keep him until the end of the season...

When he wins the CL we'll have no choice but to stick with him next season too!

3 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

When he wins the CL we'll have no choice but to stick with him next season too!

It would just be so Chelsea ha ha...

I’ve resigned to keeping him for rest of season. His current record is more than enough to get him the sack but he’s still here so… I guess we just got to hope he turns it around.

11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

So I've been wondering. @CaitlinCFC, @Munkworth, @dkw, @mojoand @Valerieare you in the Potter out now camp or give him more time camp.

 

We look worse every match. I don't see him turning any corners soon. I think he should go if we don't get anything at Tottenham.

@axman2526  I remember Arteta at some point got Arsenal on the brink of releagtion but then they started winning in the last third of the season and finished in the first half of the league table. I've never seen us play so clueless as we are playing under Potter. when Conte demanded from our players against the City just to shoot the ball for 90 minutes as far as it goes away from our box there was more 'sense' than this shower of sh*t we are watching now.  I've accepted the fact that we are winnig f**k all this season long time ago. Can I accept we will not win anything next season, not even CL spot, no problem. the problem is I see us getting in the relegation battle and if we do, Potter is not the man to lift this team out of the cesspit. we will simply end up in the Championship. with a billion dollar squad, can you imagine the ignominy? I think this job is too big for Potter, time will tell.

SO we are Keeping him till end of season , then GP can have another transfer market  and a pre season  and he can say he is integrating the new players , and they are still very  young,  and we cant expect them to play two games a week  and a lot more excuses from Chelsea ,s MR  pc friendly manager  who believes everyone should get a chance to play  take it in turns boys 

We have a fecking PE teacher as our manager. And it would be fine had his sidekick not been a PE Assistant/Geography teacher.

Oh the PE teacher line comes out. Well at least this time our "supporters" are not using it on a club icon.

1 hour ago, Hashishi said:

We have a fecking PE teacher as our manager. And it would be fine had his sidekick not been a PE Assistant/Geography teacher.

I think you've mistaken the Tuck Shop Manager for a PE Assistant/Geography teacher LOL.

Despite my concern after the last game, other than a short-term fix to salvage our season, I don't see any reason to sack him now:

1) We don't have much to play for considering we are out of all competitions. We are only in the CL and that is actually the only competition we are playing decently in so will a new manager really make that much of a difference? The loss to Dortmund was unlucky but it could have ended the same way under other managers. We were clearly the better team and it wasn't different from many of our performances under Tuchel.

2) Several of the players we signed in January were apparently convinced to join because of the 'project' and after a personal conversation with Potter. It would be a bad look to sack a manager 3 games after they have just joined the club. 

3) There's an influx of new players from transfers and injuries. This will probably sound like an excuse to most people but it is the truth. We've changed half of our starting line-up in the span of a few weeks so it is going to take a while for the players to understand each other and their roles. (It will probably help if Potter stops chopping and changing so some sort of spine can be built)

3) If the club does plan on sacking him it makes more sense to do it at the end of the season after they've had enough to search for a replacement that matches what they are looking for at the club. Simply bringing in a Poch or the next hipster manager to save our season without any long-term thinking is just going to be us repeating mistakes of the past.

4) What if we sack him and performances don't change? Sacking a manager for performance-related reasons is always a risk. If the new manager comes in and there is no bounce, you end up with an egg on your face. During the infamous Mourinho season, we had a bit of a bounce when Hiddink came in but it didn't last long and the team pretty much continued playing at the same level for the rest of the season. 

To conclude, I personally think the safer option is to wait it out until the end of the season. That should give enough time for Potter to prove himself with his new signings and also enough time for the board to search for an adequate replacement should things not work out. I don't think sacking him now without any contingency will be conducive to the club's success in the future. 

 

1 hour ago, Hashishi said:

We have a fecking PE teacher as our manager. And it would be fine had his sidekick not been a PE Assistant/Geography teacher.

I don't know any teachers who get paid half a million £ per month after tax.

1 minute ago, coco said:

I don't know any teachers who get paid half a million £ per month after tax.

The MP for Stoke(tosser) has somehow managed to accrue 5 million despite only previously being a teacher.