That he/his doctor used cows’ stem cells on him for whatever reason, is the craziest thing ever. If that doctor did it, he should be stripped of his title. Stem cells from any other species, and for that matter any other species’ cell that enters the body, triggers an immune response to counter them. And I don’t think that becoming immune to cows has any benefit in football.

1 hour ago, bluelightening said:

This line ends the discussion here for me with you. Im a numpty who hasnt had a single side effect... I know many others in exactly the same position as me and science also proves this point by X Millions x amount of times people have had jabs.. Let me leave this poser for you to think about. You clearly think the earth is flat and fly on planes that spread chemical and biological agents. ;-)

Not to be reductive, but I'm quite glad that neither I nor any of the people I know or have ever known have or ever have had smallpox.

8 hours ago, bluelightening said:

He isnt paying a price for something he had no idea about, he isnt innocent... his body, his responsibility. He must know what is going into his body at all times... and why not then call it in with the club who pays him? "hi, can I speak to the chelsea medical team please. Hello Doctor, my national team physio is telling me I should have an injection. Should I take it or listen to you and your advice?"

This is a solid, rational comment. Sadly there is one telling flaw in your reasoning.

The boy is clearly as thick as a horse's placenta

Edited September 11, 2025Sep 11 by WhiteWall

3 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Tennis player Dayana Yastremska (of Ukraine, as well) was once the subject of a doping scandal and her excuse in court was that she gave her boyfriend a blowjob and his sperm was contaminated.

It's the silliest of excuses you can find, but then again it comes from, IMHO, the athlete with the lowest IQ in the history of sports. For me, personally, Yastremska is the dumbest sport person that has ever existed in all professional sports. From her social media presence, to her interviews, her brainless playstyle and arrogant attitude, that girl is the ultimate clown that sports has ever produced. No wonder she is the most hated player on WTA tour.

Seems to me that this is bit hard to swallow

9 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

This is a solid, rational comment. Sadly there is one telling flaw in your reasoning.

The boy is clearly as thick as a horse's placenta

Players are told all the time not to take things, always pass everything through the club doctors, they cant even go to a supermarket for paracetamols etc, everything is supplied to them by the club. To then suddenly believe he has been force fed something by a national doctor and its not his responsibility is nonsense. He has to take responsibility for all this, whether hes complicit or not. The rules dont legislate for being fed something, he is a professional sportsman, its ingrained in them from a young age how to act in these situations. Ignorance is no excuse.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Players are told all the time not to take things, always pass everything through the club doctors, they cant even go to a supermarket for paracetamols etc, everything is supplied to them by the club. To then suddenly believe he has been force fed something by a national doctor and its not his responsibility is nonsense. He has to take responsibility for all this, whether hes complicit or not. The rules dont legislate for being fed something, he is a professional sportsman, its ingrained in them from a young age how to act in these situations. Ignorance is no excuse.

I think it's pretty reasonable to not be surprised that someone of his age would give a similar level of trust to a national team doctor to a club doctor though

21 hours ago, Llangennech said:

Is it Actovegin? NRL scandal more than 10 years ago about Actovegin injections, calves-blood product as far as I know. Manly Sea Eagles were involved, possibly Cronulla as well.

Bayern Munich's doctor had a global reputation for his treatment of football and athletics injuries. He used that:

Müller-Wohlfahrt is known for his controversial treatments, including the use of Hyalart (sodium hyaluronate),^[17] Actovegin (a hemodialysate from calf's blood),^[7] and Myo-Melcain (Procaine in a honey solution).^[18] Despite criticism, he remains an internationally respected expert in sports injuries, particularly knee and tendon issues. His use of homeopathic medicine and views on dietary supplements are also controversial among colleagues.^[7]

I remember a very public falling out with Guardiola, who might well have sacked him or forced his resignation.

Notable Patients

He has treated many footballers and athletes over the years, including:

In the late 1990s, he helped cure Michael Owen's hamstring problems in time to play at the Euro 2000 tournament.[22] He also helped Owen's Liverpool and England colleague, Steven Gerrard[23] and Harry Kewell.[24]

In the early 2000s, he treated Jonathan Woodgate,[25] Kelly Holmes,[26] and Maurice Greene.[27]

In 2006, he began treating Usain Bolt, who would later dedicate his 100m sprint gold medal at the 2016 Olympics in Rio to Müller-Wohlfahrt.[28]

In the late 2000s, he treated cricketers Darren Gough[29] and Alex Tudor,[30] as well as golfer José María Olazábal,[31] who was able to win at Augusta again in 1999 after suffering from rheumatoid arthritis.

In 2009, he was helping Akpo Sodje recover from a longstanding hamstring problem[3] and treated St Johnstone F.C. striker Peter MacDonald with goat's blood injections for a recurring hamstring problem.[32]

In 2010, he treated Bono (singer for U2) and Usain Bolt for severe back injuries.[33]

In 2024, Christian McCaffrey of the National Football League's San Francisco 49ers sought his help with an Achilles tendon injury.[35]

Edited September 12, 2025Sep 12 by Backbiter

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I think it's pretty reasonable to not be surprised that someone of his age would give a similar level of trust to a national team doctor to a club doctor though

I dont think it is at all, hes not a child, he was 23 and had been in club systems for years, he knew how to act and the consequences. It might be that he has been given something he shouldn't have taken, but that doesnt mean he can be relived of all responsibility.

Edited September 12, 2025Sep 12 by dkw

1 hour ago, dkw said:

I dont think it is at all, hes not a child, he was 23 and had been in club systems for years, he knew how to act and the consequences. It might be that he has been given something he shouldn't have taken, but that doesnt mean he can be relived of all responsibility.

I agree he should bear the responsibility and he should be banned. I think grey areas in this space need to be eliminated.

But I think the blame should rest , if this story is true, on the Ukrainian FA. And there should be a major fine / settlement.

Mudryk made an error, he's paying the price. But the UFA committed a serious breach of their duties in player welfare.

In a sense I agree because in the end the athlete himself is the last line of defense on what to put into ones system. Here MM learned not to trust people blindly, not that drugs are bad/illegal. Far too big punishment to my liking. Anyway I feel 18 months should suffice. He's suffered a good stretch of it so far. I think he got suspended December 2024.

If he gets the shelf penalty that is 4 years he's hard done by.

All the conjecture aside, he'll probably be given an all clear and be ready to play for us in January... then we'll have left wingers at right back right wing, left wing and striker. Good we've got so. many.

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

I agree he should bear the responsibility and he should be banned. I think grey areas in this space need to be eliminated.

But I think the blame should rest , if this story is true, on the Ukrainian FA. And there should be a major fine / settlement.

Mudryk made an error, he's paying the price. But the UFA committed a serious breach of their duties in player welfare.

Thats an entirely different story, and if they have administered him with something then they also should definitely be punished.

Thing is if the reports are true they had no intentions to give him that illegal substance. That stem cell treatment just contained traces of it. They also have probably some leeway on things.

On 11/09/2025 at 22:15, Remodez said:

Forgive me if I sound ignorant but this is not how stem cells are meant to work? Have I missed any major developments lately?

Last I knew you take the stem cell from the individual or at most another person, not a different species entirely.

Stem cells are used in vet therapy for anti-inflammatory treatment, my guess is that we're looking at a dodgy doctor or sports scientist here.

It is also not unusual that a player will have no idea what is injected into them. Elite players actually have significantly diminished agency when it comes to medical consent and procedures are undertaken with coercion from clubs, coaches, agents, parents etc. This is also not unique to Eastern Europe, Australia had a "peptide scandal" involving top AFL and NRL players who were given tainted supplements against their will and without knowledge.

Players are expected to drink/eat/inject whatever is given to them, if you question things like this at a young age you will never make it through youth football because people will question your "attitude" or "mentality".

On 12/09/2025 at 23:59, evissy said:

Thing is if the reports are true they had no intentions to give him that illegal substance. That stem cell treatment just contained traces of it. They also have probably some leeway on things.

He is automatically guilty (WADA rules mean that players are strictly liable no matter the circumstances) however the circumstances might significant reduce his sentence - he'll be back playing this season for sure.

If the story is true then that would explain the radio silence. Chelsea can't sue Mudryk to recoup his transfer fee but they certainly can go after UFA.

Gittens, Garnacho, or Mudryk for that left hand side.

Spoilt for choice.

Yup. Spoilt like week old milk.

6 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Yup. Spoilt like week old milk.

Substitute for butter milk. What's not to like?

Misha using that time wisely….

22 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Players are expected to drink/eat/inject whatever is given to them, if you question things like this at a young age you will never make it through youth football because people will question your "attitude" or "mentality".

Interesting stuff Syd. And probably explains why I never made it as a pro-footballer. I always refused to eat Beetroot whenever me Mum tried to sneak it on the plate.

You don't need to be a sports scientist to know that anything that can turn your piss Pink has to be bad for you!

BBC Sport

Mykhailo Mudryk: Doping case status and whereabouts of Ch...

BBC Sport explores the whereabouts and doping case circumstances of Chelsea's suspended Ukraine winger Mykhailo Mudryk.

30 minutes ago, just said:

BBC Sport

Mykhailo Mudryk: Doping case status and whereabouts of Ch...

BBC Sport explores the whereabouts and doping case circumstances of Chelsea's suspended Ukraine winger Mykhailo Mudryk.

So. No New information at all. I am not sure why this is all so 'mysterious'. Give him a ban and move it all along.

On 17/09/2025 at 07:25, just said:

Interesting stuff Syd. And probably explains why I never made it as a pro-footballer. I always refused to eat Beetroot whenever me Mum tried to sneak it on the plate.

You don't need to be a sports scientist to know that anything that can turn your piss Pink has to be bad for you!

I only know about all this because my dog has been undergoing the same treatment, recommended to me by a colleague who used it on her horses.

Mudryk ought to be careful thought. The vet said in no uncertain terms that if the treatment doesn't work, the only other option is euthanasia....

7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I only know about all this because my dog has been undergoing the same treatment, recommended to me by a colleague who used it on her horses.

Mudryk ought to be careful thought. The vet said in no uncertain terms that if the treatment doesn't work, the only other option is euthanasia....

We might know its worked if we see Mudryk back in training sniffing other players crotches, sh*tting on the centre spot etc...

Chelsea have terminated Mykhailo Mudryk's contract.

(@Marca) #CFC

Marca saying we’ve terminated his contract and that he’s taken running with the Olympic team.