2 hours ago, Nibs said:

Really unlucky to be subbed

I wouldn't call it luck - just poor decision making from the manager

There is clearly a player in there, just needs more consistency and needs to start more often. Poch is clueless, I have no idea why he would sub him off instead of Sterling who is pitiful.

Poch having his favourites, and those choices being awful, is whats costing us at the moment because as much as people cry about what the owners/board have done... We actually have the players to have a great squad, but there is just still a lot of people left that we need to sell who are deadwood.

18 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

I wouldn't call it luck - just poor decision making from the manager

The player who replaced Mudryk ended up scoring the winner... The player who replaced Sterling also ended up scoring. 

Is that good decision making from the manager? I genuinely don't know the answer but it feels daft criticising Poch when his substitutions won us the game. Sure, you could say he could have made different subs, earlier, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that his subs were the matchwinners. 

I think Mudryk was having a good game, he's been much better in the last few performances. I hope he starts again after the international break. 

3 minutes ago, Shweaves said:

The player who replaced Mudryk ended up scoring the winner... The player who replaced Sterling also ended up scoring. 

Is that good decision making from the manager? I genuinely don't know the answer but it feels daft criticising Poch when his substitutions won us the game. Sure, you could say he could have made different subs, earlier, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that his subs were the matchwinners. 

I think Mudryk was having a good game, he's been much better in the last few performances. I hope he starts again after the international break. 

Yes very true - the subs worked well.

Really hoping to see a lot more from Mudryk, he looks very good at 10.

The thing with Poch is he doesn’t capitalise on it! Play the sh*t out of Mudryk in that position over and over and it will click more and more! But, he’ll just leave him on the bench on the next game!

6 minutes ago, Shweaves said:

The player who replaced Mudryk ended up scoring the winner... The player who replaced Sterling also ended up scoring. 

Is that good decision making from the manager? I genuinely don't know the answer but it feels daft criticising Poch when his substitutions won us the game. Sure, you could say he could have made different subs, earlier, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that his subs were the matchwinners. 

You realize he only made those changes when forced to, correct? It wasn't him trying to be more proactive, he was only reacting to a situation. This has been an issue all season.  The moment Disasi scored the own goal was when he should of immediately made changes. We started the 2nd half by putting our foot off the gas (another brilliant Poch half time team talk mind) and Leicester were causing us problems and forcing errors. Queue the Disasi own goal. He only made changes when Leicester got their equalizer. Shocker. 

First half is on the players, 2nd is one the manager. The table doesn't lie. 

15 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

You realize he only made those changes when forced to, correct? It wasn't him trying to be more proactive, he was only reacting to a situation. This has been an issue all season.  The moment Disasi scored the own goal was when he should of immediately made changes. We started the 2nd half by putting our foot off the gas (another brilliant Poch half time team talk mind) and Leicester were causing us problems and forcing errors. Queue the Disasi own goal. He only made changes when Leicester got their equalizer. Shocker. 

First half is on the players, 2nd is one the manager. The table doesn't lie. 

The amount of times I have read Poch's substitutions are pointless/have no impact - when they do have an impact I find it funny that he isn't praised, rather fault is found elsewhere. If you concede a freak own goal 50 minutes in, I don't think a knee-jerk substitution is a good idea. You could argue that is reactive, rather than proactive. Also, going forward we were creating many chances and defensively we let them have one shot on target. They scored. Statistically the game was a freak result, Chelsea has an xG of 4.77 to Leicester's 0.66. 

From that you could infer Pochettino got the tactics spot on.

And replacing Sterling earlier wouldn't necessarily have helped. In the first half he won a penalty, missed (horrifically) said penalty, missed an easy one on one, then did very well to set up our second goal. You could have substituted him at 40 minutes as a statement for messing up the 1v1, then you don't get that second goal. 

Honestly watching Chelsea play in recent weeks is so much more exciting than the start of the season. We're scoring goals for fun (19 in the last 8 games), then messing up and conceding nearly just as many. It feels like progress from last season to me.

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by Shweaves

6 minutes ago, Shweaves said:

The amount of times I have read Poch's substitutions are pointless/have no impact - when they do have an impact I find it funny that he isn't praised, rather fault is found elsewhere. If you concede a freak own goal 50 minutes in, I don't think a knee-jerk substitution is a good idea. You could argue that is reactive, rather than proactive. Also, going forward we were creating many chances and defensively we let them have one shot on target. They scored. Statistically the game was a freak result, Chelsea has an xG of 4.77 to Leicester's 0.66. 

From that you could infer Pochettino got the tactics spot on.

And replacing Sterling earlier wouldn't necessarily have helped. In the first half he won a penalty, missed (horrifically) said penalty, missed an easy one on one, then did very well to set up our second goal. You could have substituted him at 40 minutes as a statement for messing up the 1v1, then you don't get that second goal. 

Honestly watching Chelsea play in recent weeks is so much more exciting than the start of the season. We're scoring goals for fun (19 in the last 8 games), then messing up and conceding nearly just as many. It feels like progress from last season to me.

So we are 18th in the league based on 2nd half performances because it's everyone else's fault? Not on the manager who has the duty to control the situation the team is in?

Those stats you brought up only lead me to believe our players aren't as bad as some members are making them out to be. 

17 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

So we are 18th in the league based on 2nd half performances because it's everyone else's fault? Not on the manager who has the duty to control the situation the team is in?

Those stats you brought up only lead me to believe our players aren't as bad as some members are making them out to be. 

I have no idea why we're 18th in the league based on 2nd half performances. But also I had never heard or thought of 2nd half performances as a metric before... 

I don't think our players are bad. I think they're incredibly talented, just inconsistent. I have high hopes for this team. And I don't think Poch is the hopeless spanner he is sometimes made out to be.

57 minutes ago, Shweaves said:

The player who replaced Mudryk ended up scoring the winner... The player who replaced Sterling also ended up scoring. 

Is that good decision making from the manager? I genuinely don't know the answer but it feels daft criticising Poch when his substitutions won us the game. Sure, you could say he could have made different subs, earlier, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that his subs were the matchwinners. 

I think Mudryk was having a good game, he's been much better in the last few performances. I hope he starts again after the international break. 

I don't think that many on the stands were complaining about the changes, but more about the order of them and the timing. Again, he left it too late, waiting for Leicester to equalise was daft. But, when he reacted, he subbed Mudryk instead of Sterling when the latter was not having a very good game. The chants directed at Poch only started when the fans realised that he was leaving Sterling on the pitch, and not because he made the subs. In fact, the players that came into the pitch got a round of applause.

2 minutes ago, Shweaves said:

I have no idea why we're 18th in the league based on 2nd half performances. But also I had never heard or thought of 2nd half performances as a metric before... 

I don't think our players are bad. I think they're incredibly talented, just inconsistent. I have high hopes for this team. And I don't think Poch is the hopeless spanner he is sometimes made out to be.

2nd half is where managers are looked at with a magnifying glass because in the 2nd half, managers are tasked to control what ever situation they are in. 

2 hours ago, Mod said:

The thing with Poch is he doesn’t capitalise on it! Play the sh*t out of Mudryk in that position over and over and it will click more and more! But, he’ll just leave him on the bench on the next game!

Exactly, people can say he's inconsistent but that's exactly what Sterling is (and I'm being generous) so at this point surely you'd just give Mudryk a run, especially now that we've got nothing to play for in the league.

2 hours ago, RMH said:

I don't think that many on the stands were complaining about the changes, but more about the order of them and the timing. Again, he left it too late, waiting for Leicester to equalise was daft. But, when he reacted, he subbed Mudryk instead of Sterling when the latter was not having a very good game. The chants directed at Poch only started when the fans realised that he was leaving Sterling on the pitch, and not because he made the subs. In fact, the players that came into the pitch got a round of applause.

Isn't the timing correct, though? The subs came on and scored, winning us the game. Sure, they could have been earlier, sure Sterling could have come off instead of Mudryk who was having a better game. But it's only a bad sub or a wrong decision if we end up losing. In this instance, we won, to the victor the spoils and in this instance that's the manager and the players. For a team that's not been winning consistently, I'm trying to enjoy the positives and the wins when they come. 

Call me grumpy but I'm just tired of the frustration at games being directed at the Manager/Players, because I honestly believe it affects performances. There's no huge roar from the crowd willing the team on. It's just a bit sulky.

If we'd lost, then fine, lambast the players/manager. At 2-0 we were cruising. But at 2-2, we're not losing, we're trying to win the game and I'd much rather be cheering on my team.

 

17 minutes ago, Shweaves said:

Isn't the timing correct, though? The subs came on and scored, winning us the game. Sure, they could have been earlier, sure Sterling could have come off instead of Mudryk who was having a better game. But it's only a bad sub or a wrong decision if we end up losing. In this instance, we won, to the victor the spoils and in this instance that's the manager and the players. For a team that's not been winning consistently, I'm trying to enjoy the positives and the wins when they come. 

Call me grumpy but I'm just tired of the frustration at games being directed at the Manager/Players, because I honestly believe it affects performances. There's no huge roar from the crowd willing the team on. It's just a bit sulky.

If we'd lost, then fine, lambast the players/manager. At 2-0 we were cruising. But at 2-2, we're not losing, we're trying to win the game and I'd much rather be cheering on my team.

 

In my opinion, independently of the results, decisions can be correct or wrong. Playing Robert Sanchez was the wrong decision, no matter that we won 4-2. Letting Sterling take the penalty from Palmer, was the wrong decision, letting him go on and take the free kick was another wrong decision. Again, decisions made by players and (ultimately) the coach can make a game easier or more nervy. 

6 minutes ago, RMH said:

In my opinion, independently of the results, decisions can be correct or wrong. Playing Robert Sanchez was the wrong decision, no matter that we won 4-2. Letting Sterling take the penalty from Palmer, was the wrong decision, letting him go on and take the free kick was another wrong decision. Again, decisions made by players and (ultimately) the coach can make a game easier or more nervy. 

I agree on the penalty.

Free kick however he's hit and miss but that free kick yestarday was the sign of a player that has zero confidence with nothing going his way.

 

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by Sheva

On 11/03/2024 at 22:15, Scott Harris said:

We've seen enough of him now to know what his strengths and weaknesses are. 

Collecting the ball on the wing with his back to goal around the half way line, he is terrible. I actually think wing play in general isn't great.

Playing centrally face on with the defenders in dangerous areas, he is totally different player. Ball control and pace is so much more dangerous for us.

I really don't think this guy is a winger. The only way I can ever see him being a successful winger at this level is if he plays counter attack against a high line.

Agree with this for most part, he isnt really a touchline winger. Think his best football comes in the half spaces on the left side. Not quite central like a 10, and not a proper touchline left sided winger. Sort of floats on the left sided centre and he looks his best there

On 19/03/2024 at 01:17, SHrIT said:

Agree with this for most part, he isnt really a touchline winger. Think his best football comes in the half spaces on the left side. Not quite central like a 10, and not a proper touchline left sided winger. Sort of floats on the left sided centre and he looks his best there

He turned 23 two months ago. The point of poch is to help coach him and improve him, it's pretty clear that the model was about buying (all be it overpaying) players who are not the finished article. I actually think the biggest issue is that every time he puts a decent game in he has his legs cut out from under him, either subbed or dropped 

Nice goal Mykhailo - see you at the Euros

On 20/03/2024 at 14:33, theGreenBaron said:

He turned 23 two months ago. The point of poch is to help coach him and improve him, it's pretty clear that the model was about buying (all be it overpaying) players who are not the finished article. I actually think the biggest issue is that every time he puts a decent game in he has his legs cut out from under him, either subbed or dropped 

Signing unfinished article is normal for any team however most top team try to sign player who is one step away from ready. 

It is very rare for a top team to bother with developing player who is far away from being ready unless that player is very cheap or very young. 

However Mudryk case is very unique, he is not young, he is extremely expensive and very raw so you are kinda forced to develop him. A lot of people here are excited with him playing as a 10. Imo that is not a serious club decision but if we are talking about giving him confidence that that is perfectly fine. 

Edited March 27, 20242 yr by Bob stark

Man of the Match performance from Mykky against Iceland by all accounts. Another decent goal too. The kid appears to be growing in confidence and needs full games with us - not 45 minutes here, 17 minutes there.

 

Looking forward to the weekend when he's benched for Sterling again

3 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Man of the Match performance from Mykky against Iceland by all accounts. Another decent goal too. The kid appears to be growing in confidence and needs full games with us - not 45 minutes here, 17 minutes there.

 

From the extended highlights I've seen he was actually pretty quiet but the goal was a ripper. Definitely needs more game time.

Probably my favorite Mudryk game. His first half was almost Hazardesque.

7 minutes ago, DidierDrogbalala said:

Probably my favorite Mudryk game. His first half was almost Hazardesque.

You're being way too kind. He was a mixed bag all game. Some horrible decision making and end product at times and his corners are atrocious.

Thought he was great, drew the penalty, the ball he found for Jackson was great. Both Jackson and Gusto should have tapped it to him instead of shooting, great runs in the box, teammates are too selfish on the final ball, that's why our XG's out pace our goals so dramatically.