Some of his moves and passes were excellent. It was just that final ball that was missing. 

When I saw he had given himself a little pony tail last night I hoped he might have been a bit better. I was wrong.

When he gets the ball he’ll either do something outrageous, something sh*te or something outrageously sh*te.

It’s annoying because he’s actually got a really good eye for a pass which if you couple with his speed and directness, there’s definitely potential for him to just destroy defences. But then he’ll do something like last night, when he won the ball in the final third and couple complete a simple cross into Jackson, and you just can’t ever see it clicking 

2 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

When he gets the ball he’ll either do something outrageous, something sh*te or something outrageously sh*te.

It’s annoying because he’s actually got a really good eye for a pass which if you couple with his speed and directness, there’s definitely potential for him to just destroy defences. But then he’ll do something like last night, when he won the ball in the final third and couple complete a simple cross into Jackson, and you just can’t ever see it clicking 

So so accurate!

When he runs with the ball, you never know what is going to happen. Invariably he loses it, but there is always the slim chance he could produce something brilliant, like the goal against Newcastle. If someone (Pochettino) could just make the rare bits of greatness a bit more frequent and eradicate a lot of the bad stuff, he could still be a useful player for us.

Edited May 3, 20242 yr by Nibs

Needs a season on loan in Germany or Italy. I don't want to give up yet, or he'll end up another Salah, but he's not good enough to be playing for us right now.

Definitely needs a load move to Germany or Italy.

5 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

When he gets the ball he’ll either do something outrageous, something sh*te or something outrageously sh*te.

It’s annoying because he’s actually got a really good eye for a pass which if you couple with his speed and directness, there’s definitely potential for him to just destroy defences. But then he’ll do something like last night, when he won the ball in the final third and couple complete a simple cross into Jackson, and you just can’t ever see it clicking 

That is just on the ball. 

Off the ball offensively, his movement is very unpredictable. 

This is why I think we need to persist with him for another season under a better manager. He's the quickest player with the hardest shot but he's possibly the most inconsistent player we've ever had and it does my head in, he can go from sublime to horrendous within 10 seconds.

5 hours ago, timetowaste said:

This is why I think we need to persist with him for another season under a better manager. He's the quickest player with the hardest shot but he's possibly the most inconsistent player we've ever had and it does my head in, he can go from sublime to horrendous within 10 seconds.

I was just about to post this and you beat me to it. Everything you hear from his team mates suggests he’s an unbelievable talent and that suggests he has a metal issue not a skill or talent issue. 
That’s fixable lack of skill or talent isn’t.

15 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Another game flies past where Mudryk has shown flashes of his mercurial talent, but the ultimately fails to deliver. On so many occasions he seems to suddenly break clear of the ranks with a bit of brilliance only to immediately follow it up with a brain dead next action, running it off the pitch, a rocket launch of a shot to the upper deck, a cross to nobody. So frustrating. 

I desperately want this lad to light the touch paper but I really don't know if he's even a footballer. It would truly not surprise me in the least to pick up the paper and read that he's thrown it all in and taken a job as the final leg in the Ukrainian 4 x 100m relay in the forthcoming Olympics 

That's a great summary of his game against Spurs.  I said in the match day thread he was having a decent game in the early stages of the first half then he seemed to fall to sh!t and do everything wrong.  A really frustrating player but how long do we give him the chance to come good ?  The price we paid for a player with such little match experience of any kind is the fault of the owners who bought him and it seems he's not mentally up to the pressure that brings.  I really hope he can make it.

10 hours ago, timetowaste said:

This is why I think we need to persist with him for another season under a better manager. He's the quickest player with the hardest shot but he's possibly the most inconsistent player we've ever had and it does my head in, he can go from sublime to horrendous within 10 seconds.

"Better" manager will bin him 

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

"Better" manager will bin him 

Spot on Bob. They would for a variety of reasons, but one of them is that in this day and age no manager has the time to invest in unfinished players, especially if they are not showing signs of improvement after a year. Regardless of hire em / fire em accusations most managers nowadays are gone after 2 or 3 years. It's a results business and they just don't have the time to persist with players that do not appear to show development. 

15 hours ago, timetowaste said:

This is why I think we need to persist with him for another season under a better manager. He's the quickest player with the hardest shot but he's possibly the most inconsistent player we've ever had and it does my head in, he can go from sublime to horrendous within 10 seconds.

It's silly but I wonder if the training balls are heavier than the match balls, because if his shot is that hard I would imagine the coaches need to have someone permanently stationed in the car park to retrieve the balls.

16 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Spot on Bob. They would for a variety of reasons, but one of them is that in this day and age no manager has the time to invest in unfinished players, especially if they are not showing signs of improvement after a year. Regardless of hire em / fire em accusations most managers nowadays are gone after 2 or 3 years. It's a results business and they just don't have the time to persist with players that do not appear to show development. 

Completely agree.

However, mudyrk case if far more complicated. His talent is undeniable, not all timer like Hazard but superstar level talent but I don't think he belong here in PL and he is already 23.

48 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

It's silly but I wonder if the training balls are heavier than the match balls, because if his shot is that hard I would imagine the coaches need to have someone permanently stationed in the car park to retrieve the balls.

I am pretty sure if you grade / measure player based on drill, mudryk will score very high on all of them. 

But you don't play football against cone/stop watch and you don't play football by yourself, it is 11 v 11

I have said it multiple time, I have never seen anybody quite lile Mudyrk ever. 

Edited May 4, 20242 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

It's silly but I wonder if the training balls are heavier than the match balls, because if his shot is that hard I would imagine the coaches need to have someone permanently stationed in the car park to retrieve the balls.

Apparently he scores a lot in training, albeit it is in the goal at Craven Cottage 

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Spot on Bob. They would for a variety of reasons, but one of them is that in this day and age no manager has the time to invest in unfinished players, especially if they are not showing signs of improvement after a year. Regardless of hire em / fire em accusations most managers nowadays are gone after 2 or 3 years. It's a results business and they just don't have the time to persist with players that do not appear to show development. 

Generally I'd agree, but I don't think this applies when virtually none of our players are the finished article and the manager's job is specifically to make the young players that we've invested in the finished article.

On 03/05/2024 at 06:58, JM7 said:

Some of his moves and passes were excellent. It was just that final ball that was missing. 

He put Wacko clean through in the first few minutes 

On 28/04/2024 at 06:11, PloKoon13 said:

If I understand correctly something (I think) @SydneyChelsea said, then his market value at the time of signing was the extortionate amount we paid for him, as a result of that being the amount we paid for him.

Given his utterly dismal performances in the year-and-a-half since, there is surely no way that his market value has increased since then. One would think that this is a big problem for the brain trust as well as whichever poor f**ker has to coach the team or rebuild the squad.

Yeah it's the difference betwee external market value, and football (FFP) market value. At the time of his £80m signing Clearlake, he would count as a £80m asset on the business side of books ie. Clearlake could claim to investors/lenders that they had increased the on-paper asset value of the club by £80m at the time of his signing. This is important to Clearlake's business as a hedge fund, but has no relevance to the club.

Unfortunately for us FFP doesn't care about that and it is clear his value in the football market has declined. If we were to sell him today we wouldn't be able to recoup what we paid for him. Worse, no club would actually buy him, despite his low wages it would be another Bakayoko/Lukaku situation where the only clubs that would take him can only afford to do so on loan. So we're stuck with him until something changes, really.

On 06/05/2024 at 11:34, SydneyChelsea said:

Yeah it's the difference betwee external market value, and football (FFP) market value. At the time of his £80m signing Clearlake, he would count as a £80m asset on the business side of books ie. Clearlake could claim to investors/lenders that they had increased the on-paper asset value of the club by £80m at the time of his signing. This is important to Clearlake's business as a hedge fund, but has no relevance to the club.

Unfortunately for us FFP doesn't care about that and it is clear his value in the football market has declined. If we were to sell him today we wouldn't be able to recoup what we paid for him. Worse, no club would actually buy him, despite his low wages it would be another Bakayoko/Lukaku situation where the only clubs that would take him can only afford to do so on loan. So we're stuck with him until something changes, really.

I rewatched some of Chelsea game and 🫣🫣🫣

The less ball he get, the better the team play. 

On 06/05/2024 at 04:34, SydneyChelsea said:

Yeah it's the difference betwee external market value, and football (FFP) market value. At the time of his £80m signing Clearlake, he would count as a £80m asset on the business side of books ie. Clearlake could claim to investors/lenders that they had increased the on-paper asset value of the club by £80m at the time of his signing. This is important to Clearlake's business as a hedge fund, but has no relevance to the club.

Unfortunately for us FFP doesn't care about that and it is clear his value in the football market has declined. If we were to sell him today we wouldn't be able to recoup what we paid for him. Worse, no club would actually buy him, despite his low wages it would be another Bakayoko/Lukaku situation where the only clubs that would take him can only afford to do so on loan. So we're stuck with him until something changes, really.

Stuck with him till 2031 I think  ?

We average 1.67 PPG when Mudryk plays at least 60 min/ game, and 1.45 PPG when he doesn't in the PL... he's not the one holding us back.

3 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

We average 1.67 PPG when Mudryk plays at least 60 min/ game, and 1.45 PPG when he doesn't in the PL... he's not the one holding us back.

Does that stand for Players Playing Gash?  

If so it's the first football stat I have ever seen which could  be  an accurate portrayal of performance 

6 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

We average 1.67 PPG when Mudryk plays at least 60 min/ game, and 1.45 PPG when he doesn't in the PL... he's not the one holding us back.

This is why an eye test is so much better than meaningless team stats. Mudryk has been a passenger most games.

1 goal and 0 assists in the last 10 games and the team has scored 28 goals in that time. That's an awful return. 

14 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

This is why an eye test is so much better than meaningless team stats. Mudryk has been a passenger most games.

1 goal and 0 assists in the last 10 games and the team has scored 28 goals in that time. That's an awful return. 

It is a very disappointing return. We all want him to do well, and still hoping he kicks on and reaches his apparently extremely high potential. One thing to say is in those 10 games he averages just 59 mins per match.