1 hour ago, g3.7 said:

It is pre season so I don't really think we should be too critical of anyone based on their performances in pre season alone, but am I alone in thinking this guy isn't a footballer?

I don't mean from a physical or even technical standpoint, but I struggle to recall a Chelsea player with less game understanding. When and where to run. When to take a man on, when to combine or keep the ball. He seems like all of this is totally alien to him. It's like watching a YouTuber put into 11 a side football. 

I think we're very close to being in a position where the best we can hope for is to cut our losses. He has a hell of a lot to learn that most wingers know by the age of 19. Either working with a very detail driven coach like maresca will help him catch up, or he's probably finished at club - I think the stakes are that high for him. 

 

I don't know what youth football is like in Ukraine, maybe the war had some sort of impact, I'm trying my best to find some sort of reason because it's not possible he's made it this far and had his pick of top clubs chasing his signing when he looks like he's never played in a team before. 

He'll never improve. He's a lower-mid table player at best.

36 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I don't know what youth football is like in Ukraine, maybe the war had some sort of impact, I'm trying my best to find some sort of reason because it's not possible he's made it this far and had his pick of top clubs chasing his signing when he looks like he's never played in a team before. 

He played fewer than 30 games for Shaktar before coming to the PL. De Zerbi, his manager at Shaktar ar the time, saw raw potential. He stood out in a couple of CL matches for Shaktar. Next to no experience, but raw potential. Arsenal liked the idea, Chelsea trumped them. He has never had a development stage in his game. It's what happens when you buy on raw potential alone.

Edited August 5, 20241 yr by dermott

I think it is really really simple with Mudryk - and there is no need to over analyse anything.

His entire game is based around pace. He needs space, in behind preferably, to make use of that pace. He will not get that space, playing for this chelsea team. Our slow build up play, alongside teams regularly sitting deep, means that the space doesn't exist. He doesn't have a plan B or the tactical nous to figure out an alternative.

Mudryk, playing the Gareth Bale role for Harry Redknapps Spurs a few years ago would have ripped up the league. Kick and rush football at its finest.

He will not make it here, all the time we play the slow build up.

15 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I think it is really really simple with Mudryk - and there is no need to over analyse anything.

His entire game is based around pace. He needs space, in behind preferably, to make use of that pace. He will not get that space, playing for this chelsea team. Our slow build up play, alongside teams regularly sitting deep, means that the space doesn't exist. He doesn't have a plan B or the tactical nous to figure out an alternative.

Mudryk, playing the Gareth Bale role for Harry Redknapps Spurs a few years ago would have ripped up the league. Kick and rush football at its finest.

He will not make it here, all the time we play the slow build up.

Poch ball was the best style for him out of the previous managers and he was still putting in meh performances. Was good about 20-30% of the time and that was it. 

Can't see how he will elevate his game under Marseca, need to end the Mudryk experiment as soon as possible. 

10 hours ago, Remodez said:

In those 10 or so performances you are referring to he has shown better technique than Madueke has his whole Chelsea career. 

I have no idea if it's inconsistency, a lack of confidence, etc. It's very hard to explain what is actually wrong with Mudyrk cause the talent is there but it's like he's never played in a team environment before. 

No he hasn't. Madueke's goal against Leicester alone is better technique than anything we have seen from Mudryk in a Chelsea shirt.

I don't think it's very hard to explain what is wrong with Mudryk, there is too much in his game missing to be a top player. He can never work in a possession based team, that's for sure. He needs a formation catered to him, which is quick breaks, face on against the defence and running at them full pace with them back peddling. He's not going to get that at Chelsea or anywhere in the Premier League right now. We are possession focused and try and play through well structured, tight defences.

18 hours ago, dermott said:

He played fewer than 30 games for Shaktar before coming to the PL. De Zerbi, his manager at Shaktar ar the time, saw raw potential. He stood out in a couple of CL matches for Shaktar. Next to no experience, but raw potential. Arsenal liked the idea, Chelsea trumped them. He has never had a development stage in his game. It's what happens when you buy on raw potential alone.

I'm glad the directors learned from their mistake with Mudryk and stopped overpaying for inexperienced youth since this disaster...

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

I'm glad the directors learned from their mistake with Mudryk and stopped overpaying for inexperienced youth since this disaster...

Cruel but fair. You've got this Management thing nailed.

On 05/08/2024 at 15:29, dermott said:

He played fewer than 30 games for Shaktar before coming to the PL. De Zerbi, his manager at Shaktar ar the time, saw raw potential. He stood out in a couple of CL matches for Shaktar. Next to no experience, but raw potential. Arsenal liked the idea, Chelsea trumped them. He has never had a development stage in his game. It's what happens when you buy on raw potential alone.

Agreed.

You can do all the development in training you want but unless the players are playing regular football then improvements will be minimal 

On 05/08/2024 at 15:40, nonotnowjim said:

I think it is really really simple with Mudryk - and there is no need to over analyse anything.

His entire game is based around pace. He needs space, in behind preferably, to make use of that pace. He will not get that space, playing for this chelsea team. Our slow build up play, alongside teams regularly sitting deep, means that the space doesn't exist. He doesn't have a plan B or the tactical nous to figure out an alternative.

Mudryk, playing the Gareth Bale role for Harry Redknapps Spurs a few years ago would have ripped up the league. Kick and rush football at its finest.

He will not make it here, all the time we play the slow build up.

Agree with most of this but there was plenty space in behind in loads of games last season. Look at many of Jackson’s chances. The problem is he never ever plays on the shoulder of the last defender. He’s so quick he only needs 10 yards to be in on goal.

He would benefit from playing with a Drogba or even  a Giroud. Sadly we have neither.

10 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

Agree with most of this but there was plenty space in behind in loads of games last season. Look at many of Jackson’s chances. The problem is he never ever plays on the shoulder of the last defender. He’s so quick he only needs 10 yards to be in on goal.

He would benefit from playing with a Drogba or even  a Giroud. Sadly we have neither.

Don't fear, we have Samu Omaridion en route 

 

I think our best hope is to find a decent loan for him, perhaps in Bundesliga, and hope that either he returns with renewed confidence or could be sold on without a huge loss

I would sell him in a heartbeat 

Not a very good footballer.

With Neto joining, and possibly Felix, I suspect one of the current wingers will be moved out. At least on loan. Logically it should be Mudryk but we shall see....

On the club website this week...

Mudryk..." there's more to come"!😂 Not more of the same FFS!

I didn't know his family are still there in Ukraine, that must be stressful for him.

I really hope he gets it together one day, hopefully with us.

 

Bloke should realize he’s next if he doesn’t improve. 

I think his time is done, he's not really improved since he arrived here, and he's mostly been a flop. We need to cull this side, and his name is at the top of the list IMO.

On 05/08/2024 at 13:05, g3.7 said:

am I alone in thinking this guy isn't a footballer?

No, he's terrible. He belongs on a Youtube channel. He's been here for eighteen months and hasn't improved at all. Sterling is fifteen times the player.

 

On 05/08/2024 at 14:53, Remodez said:

I don't know what youth football is like in Ukraine

I hear the pitches aren't what they used to be.

On 05/08/2024 at 11:20, Scott Harris said:

I don't think it's very hard to explain what is wrong with Mudryk, there is too much in his game missing to be a top player. 

Not hard at all, things go wrong when he has to touch the ball with either of his feet. He’d probably have more success in Ukraine’s 4 x 100m relay team. 

Beggars belief that this guy has survived a hard cull of the squad ... 

I really like him but even I’m happy to admit that it’s his price tag that’s saving him at the minute. 

He will be about this season, low wages and takes another year off his book value, however that said, this is make or break season. It’s now or never and I’m sure he’ll know it. Will be gone next summer if he doesn’t pull it out the bag.

Just to add. I’m ok with that. 

7 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Beggars belief that this guy has survived a hard cull of the squad ... 

I agree with other posters...

His transfer fee is what's keeping him off the exit list. I don't know enough about finance to say when we can sell him but I hope its not too long away.

I had a lot of hope for him but just goes to show, tricks on youtube mean fk all on the pitch. I love his speed but that's all he's got when it comes to a game of footy.

Maybe Maresca can get him to do the basics right!?