1 hour ago, Remodez said:

Disagree. His passing is pretty good and he can pick out a pass. 

That said, he simply is not consistent enough.

Fair enough, in my view he’s very consistent in being completely invisible in every single match but I’m glad you see more in him than I do

2 hours ago, Remodez said:

Disagree. His passing is pretty good and he can pick out a pass. 

That said, he simply is not consistent enough.

I find highly amusing that you rate Mudryk but think Madueke isn't good enough. 

Perhaps Todd and the Eggman would give you job "talent" spotting for us.

48 minutes ago, just said:

I find highly amusing that you rate Mudryk but think Madueke isn't good enough. 

Perhaps Todd and the Eggman would give you job "talent" spotting for us.

Steady on. When did I say I rate Mudryk?

Both of them are not good enough for us but as footballers Mudryk has better technique than Madueke, even if he is extremely inconsistent, so I can understand the logic behind giving Mudryk more games than Madueke. In an ideal world neither would be playing for us. 

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I said it last season, he needs to go on loan desperately.

He's not going to cut the mustard here. Dortmund might be able to save his career, in that process we may be able to get some decent transfer value from him. The longer he stays here the worse it's going to be, does anyone seriously think he's going to have the season of his life?

He's not even that young anymore. 

1 hour ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

Fair enough, in my view he’s very consistent in being completely invisible in every single match but I’m glad you see more in him than I do

Every single match is a bit harsh but I agree with the overall point, he’s far too inconsistent. 

I’m not saying he’s ever going to be good enough for us but I’ve seen enough from him to know he has good passing and can see why the players have praised him in training for his technique. 

9 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I said it last season, he needs to go on loan desperately.

He's not going to cut the mustard here. Dortmund might be able to save his career, in that process we may be able to get some decent transfer value from him. The longer he stays here the worse it's going to be, does anyone seriously think he's going to have the season of his life?

He's not even that young anymore. 

Agree entirely.

He’s not even close to being a regular starter and get the feeling he’s a confidence player. 
 

Maybe Maresca can get him playing but I’m not confident. Sterling, Jackson, Nkunku all start ahead of him on the left for me.

His inconsistency is being my explanation to be honest, when he's good he's very good, but unfortunately far too often he strays into the average to anonymous side. I'd give him this season and if we still can't get a tune out of him I think we might just have to take the loss on him.

2 hours ago, timetowaste said:

His inconsistency is being my explanation to be honest, when he's good he's very good, but unfortunately far too often he strays into the average to anonymous side. I'd give him this season and if we still can't get a tune out of him I think we might just have to take the loss on him.

He needs lots of mins in a low pressure environment which he won’t get here, I would send him out on loan now. Next year he will be 24 with 3 bad seasons behind, you won’t find any decent clubs willing to pay a fee for him. Then it will be a loan (maybe 2yrs) with an option to buy. Just give his mins to Tyrique George.

7 minutes ago, ducavis said:

He needs lots of mins in a low pressure environment which he won’t get here, I would send him out on loan now. Next year he will be 24 with 3 bad seasons behind, you won’t find any decent clubs willing to pay a fee for him. Then it will be a loan (maybe 2yrs) with an option to buy. Just give his mins to Tyrique George.

Sad but you are right. Its easy to forget that mudryk isnt a youngster because in all honesty he performs like an 18-19 yo whos only just breaking into the team. I think its already safe to say, mudryk will never work in the prem. A good loan to germany or italy will be the only way to salvage any money from this one.

I wouldn't even call him inconsistent. He's probably had less than 10 good performances in a Chelsea shirt since joining. That's not inconsistent, it's just poor.

4 hours ago, Remodez said:

Steady on. When did I say I rate Mudryk?

Both of them are not good enough for us but as footballers Mudryk has better technique than Madueke, even if he is extremely inconsistent, so I can understand the logic behind giving Mudryk more games than Madueke. In an ideal world neither would be playing for us. 

Does he have better technique though? 

He can't dribble, every time he does, he losses possession.

He can't play with his back to goal and wriggle out of tight situations. 

His finishing is really poor. He has a powerful shot, but no accuracy.

His passing can be good, but we see tiny flashes of it. He also often misplaces easy passes.

He's got pace, but pace so far has gotten him nowhere for us.

I don't see anything here that really suggests he has better technique than Madueke.

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Give him to a world class coach like tuchel n he would be unplayable

48 minutes ago, Conte said:

Give him to a world class coach like tuchel n he would be unplayable

I think it's just an excuse. Gallagher is about the same age and with all his limitations has done well in every team he's played so far. Palmer is younger and played last season like a seasoned veteran with world class ability. Somehow they can perform under any manager and do well but Mudryk needs a world class coach to shine? Please.

Also, we're just so desperate for Mudryk to justify the money spent and the whole transfer saga with Arsenal missing out on a 'great talent', we use this 'inconsistent' term every time we're trying to explain why he's been sh*te. Would we be so patient if it was some youngster from the academy or a no name signed on a free playing this whole time the way Mudryk was? Absolutely not, we'd be demanding to bench/loan/sell him  because we woud have no problem admitting the obvious: he's not good enough.

Maybe in a low pressure situation in a weaker side/weaker league he'll get some of that much needed confidence back and will do better. Problem is, at Chelsea there's always going to be pressure to perform due to the ambitions and status of the club. Some players rise to the challenge and thrive on that, others struggle, lose confidence and fail.

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2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I wouldn't even call him inconsistent. He's probably had less than 10 good performances in a Chelsea shirt since joining. That's not inconsistent, it's just poor.

Does he have better technique though? 

He can't dribble, every time he does, he losses possession.

He can't play with his back to goal and wriggle out of tight situations. 

His finishing is really poor. He has a powerful shot, but no accuracy.

His passing can be good, but we see tiny flashes of it. He also often misplaces easy passes.

He's got pace, but pace so far has gotten him nowhere for us.

I don't see anything here that really suggests he has better technique than Madueke.

In those 10 or so performances you are referring to he has shown better technique than Madueke has his whole Chelsea career. 

I have no idea if it's inconsistency, a lack of confidence, etc. It's very hard to explain what is actually wrong with Mudyrk cause the talent is there but it's like he's never played in a team environment before. 

1 minute ago, Remodez said:

In those 10 or so performances you are referring to he has shown better technique than Madueke has his whole Chelsea career. 

I have no idea if it's inconsistency, a lack of confidence, etc. It's very hard to explain what is actually wrong with Mudyrk cause the talent is there but it's like he's never played in a team environment before. 

I'd say Noni had a pretty decent spell last season where he had a string of good performances on the right. Mudryk haven't had two matches in a row he can consider good.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think either is good enough for a top side, but I'd keep Madueke as a sub option if we could sign someone of genuine quality (like Olise 😒)

23 minutes ago, abramovich said:

I'd say Noni had a pretty decent spell last season where he had a string of good performances on the right. Mudryk haven't had two matches in a row he can consider good.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think either is good enough for a top side, but I'd keep Madueke as a sub option if we could sign someone of genuine quality (like Olise 😒)

Yeah for sure Noni has been more consistent. 

I have no problem with Madueke as a sub but we can get the same type of player from our academy without having to spend the £30m. 

58 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Yeah for sure Noni has been more consistent. 

I have no problem with Madueke as a sub but we can get the same type of player from our academy without having to spend the £30m. 

Not really. 

Even the best academy youngsters have to go on a few loans before they can be considered for the first team and only the absolute best of them make it. Hudson Odoi was the only exception and even he ultimately failed.

36 minutes ago, abramovich said:

Not really. 

Even the best academy youngsters have to go on a few loans before they can be considered for the first team and only the absolute best of them make it. Hudson Odoi was the only exception and even he ultimately failed.

They don't have to go on loan, we've just usually had a very good squad. With the state of our wingers the way it is now, there's no reason someone like Geroge can't have Madueke's mins. 

Just now, Remodez said:

They don't have to go on loan, we've just usually had a very good squad. With the state of our wingers the way it is now, there's no reason someone like Geroge can't have Madueke's mins. 

I thought  the whole point was to improve the squad. Of course you can use an academy graduate as a backup, but I doubt it'll be good enough for a team that wants to qualify for the CL and compete for trophies.

7 hours ago, ducavis said:

He needs lots of mins in a low pressure environment which he won’t get here, I would send him out on loan now. Next year he will be 24 with 3 bad seasons behind, you won’t find any decent clubs willing to pay a fee for him. Then it will be a loan (maybe 2yrs) with an option to buy. Just give his mins to Tyrique George.

I think loaning him out now would basically be the end of his time here so I can't see that happening. We should have plenty of games to play this season with us being in the conference league and hopefully that can kickstart his season.

12 minutes ago, abramovich said:

I thought  the whole point was to improve the squad. Of course you can use an academy graduate as a backup, but I doubt it'll be good enough for a team that wants to qualify for the CL and compete for trophies.

Nah I wasn't talking about that, we've already established both Mudyrk and Noni are not good enough for a top club. I'm just saying I would rather we used George instead of either of them seeing as we are already screwed with wingers as it is. 

 

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

They don't have to go on loan, we've just usually had a very good squad. With the state of our wingers the way it is now, there's no reason someone like Geroge can't have Madueke's mins. 

I thought George played wide left. Surely it would be Mudryk's/Sterling's minutes he is competing for

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

I thought George played wide left. Surely it would be Mudryk's/Sterling's minutes he is competing for

I would add to this that i have a suspicion that Sterling may be quite well suited to Maresca's style as well. It would not surprise me at all to see Sterling playing well in this system, particularly at the outset once the pattern is down.

I genuinely think that a loan for Mudryk to a more forgiving league, one where a high line is more commonplace would be for his and our mutual benefit.

It is pre season so I don't really think we should be too critical of anyone based on their performances in pre season alone, but am I alone in thinking this guy isn't a footballer?

I don't mean from a physical or even technical standpoint, but I struggle to recall a Chelsea player with less game understanding. When and where to run. When to take a man on, when to combine or keep the ball. He seems like all of this is totally alien to him. It's like watching a YouTuber put into 11 a side football. 

I think we're very close to being in a position where the best we can hope for is to cut our losses. He has a hell of a lot to learn that most wingers know by the age of 19. Either working with a very detail driven coach like maresca will help him catch up, or he's probably finished at club - I think the stakes are that high for him. 

 

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21 minutes ago, g3.7 said:

It is pre season so I don't really think we should be too critical of anyone based on their performances in pre season alone, but am I alone in thinking this guy isn't a footballer?

I don't mean from a physical or even technical standpoint, but I struggle to recall a Chelsea player with less game understanding. When and where to run. When to take a man on, when to combine or keep the ball. He seems like all of this is totally alien to him. It's like watching a YouTuber put into 11 a side football. 

I think we're very close to being in a position where the best we can hope for is to cut our losses. He has a hell of a lot to learn that most wingers know by the age of 19. Either working with a very detail driven coach like maresca will help him catch up, or he's probably finished at club - I think the stakes are that high for him. 

 

I have similar feelings over his abilities. He is training like Ronaldo as he's read that is the way to get into the top. He just skipped the small games, love for passing football, gamesmanship. He is a robot without the intelligent chip. 

I also suspect his mentality (for many reasons) is a bit fragile. I feel Pochettino did amazing job wrapping his hands around the boy and clearly talked to other players to fully support Misha the man. I think most our players really like him and wants to support him to do well but on the pitch the passes are not finding him. 

This season is the season that probably defines his future with us. 10+10 season is something he can do but that means we have masses of injuries OR he finally clicks with his teammates. Not holding my breath for that to happen though.

8 hours ago, Conte said:

Give him to a world class coach like tuchel n he would be unplayable

Yep, or even Arteta!