9 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

This is true but in reality I struggle to recollect a poorer Liverpool performance against us and ,yet we contrived to turn this into a competitive battling point! It is so bl00dy frustrating to come up against the elite clubs historically, at a point in time when they are sh*t and we fail to take advantage. Visits from Man Utd, shocking Gooners, Spurs and now this and we contrive to get bu88er all out of the league games and gifted two FA cups and a league cup. These types of games wind me up even more that the sh8t performances where we get rolled by a better team on the day.

Agree that Liverpool were very poor tonight.  So frustrating that we can’t put the chances  away. And we had enough clear cut chances to be out of sight in the first half alone.

1 minute ago, abigsmurf said:

A good striker can be the difference that wins you titles but at the same time you need to be able to rely on the rest of your attacking players to still present a threat.

What good will be getting a striker be if every team can put two men on him for 90 minutes to take him out of the game because no one else is a threat?

I am not sure if I agree with this. The game is full of tipping points and fine margins. A striker that bullies the opposition gains an extra yardage and allows others to play. Confidence breeds confidence. Just using Drogba as a general example, is ideal to show that regardless of scoring goals, he could lay the ground work and space for others to play due to his presence. I also think that Giroud was very underrated for doing this.

Just now, WhiteWall said:

I am not sure if I agree with this. The game is full of tipping points and fine margins. A striker that bullies the opposition gains an extra yardage and allows others to play. Confidence breeds confidence. Just using Drogba as a general example, is ideal to show that regardless of scoring goals, he could lay the ground work and space for others to play due to his presence. I also think that Giroud was very underrated for doing this.

Agreed. Having a threat through the centre puts defences on edge. That creates space and time for other supporting creative players as they worry about a Drogba, a Costa, a RVN, a Haaland, an Aguero, a Shearer, a Robert Fleck.  

When you have Havertz through the centre the defence is more worried about missing reruns of Only Fools and Horses on UK Gold 

3 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I am not sure if I agree with this. The game is full of tipping points and fine margins. A striker that bullies the opposition gains an extra yardage and allows others to play. Confidence breeds confidence. Just using Drogba as a general example, is ideal to show that regardless of scoring goals, he could lay the ground work and space for others to play due to his presence. I also think that Giroud was very underrated for doing this.

I love Drogba and there wasn't a striker in their prime I'd rather have to cup games but he definitely had more than a few league games where he didn't show up and had little impact. The difference is that we had players like Lampard who you could be sure would have scored at least one if he'd been presented with the chances we had today.

2 minutes ago, loz said:

Agreed. Having a threat through the centre puts defences on edge. That creates space and time for other supporting creative players as they worry about a Drogba, a Costa, a RVN, a Haaland, an Aguero, a Shearer, a Robert Fleck.  

When you have Havertz through the centre the defence is more worried about missing reruns of Only Fools and Horses on UK Gold 

Yes, Fleck indeed.

If we have the english Beckenbauer at the back in W Fofana, we also have the german Sutton up top, who couldn't find his ar$ehole with a mirror.

Just now, abigsmurf said:

I love Drogba and there wasn't a striker in their prime I'd rather have to cup games but he definitely had more than a few league games where he didn't show up and had little impact. The difference is that we had players like Lampard who you could be sure would have scored at least one if he'd been presented with the chances we had today.

But when he didn't score by God he defended corners, he occupied centre halves, he held the ball up and brought other players in to the game.

Where The f**k Is Fofana, Subbed Off At Half Time Against I Can't Bloody Remember As We've Had sh*t Game After sh*t Game, Nothing From Havertz As Striker For God Knows How Many Games Now Just Give Him A Few Chances Like Havertz Has Gotten

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Yes, Fleck indeed.

If we have the english Beckenbauer at the back in W Fofana, we also have the german Sutton up top, who couldn't find his ar$ehole with a mirror.

Wee Fleckie, a head like Kryten

1 minute ago, abigsmurf said:

I love Drogba and there wasn't a striker in their prime I'd rather have to cup games but he definitely had more than a few league games where he didn't show up and had little impact. The difference is that we had players like Lampard who you could be sure would have scored at least one if he'd been presented with the chances we had today.

That's a very appropriate comparison you brought in there, because i thought of Lampard tonight when Havertz nicked the ball from Allison, on the byeline and then gave a wimpish hospital pass of a layoff, and my mind drifted to a Lampard byeline twist and turn, clipping the ball into the top corner against Barcelona no less, but i guess there is the differnce. If you don't even have the picture in your head, people can call you all the generational talents they want but in reality you are just bang average like all the rest.

25 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

Is he meant to ask not to play or ask to be subbed ?

 

Yes, if he had any integrity he’d feign injury and limp off. He can then head back to the changing rooms and read Donkey Monthly.

27 minutes ago, Carloseyebrow said:

Confidence, motivation whatever it is, he is clearly not in a great place, maybe the weight of expectation on him is too much, no excuses but you don’t become pony overnight and in general I would say most of us were quite happy with him to a certain point. Let’s be clear, he is not a number 9.

Apart from a handful of isolated games, he’s never done much since we signed him. So he hasn’t become pony overnight because he’s never really been above that. I certainly agree, he’s no number 9. 

On train home now. Weirdest game I have attended for years, it was like no one wanted to be there. Both sets of fans and players 

That has to be one of the worst Liverpool performances I have seen at the Bridge. The closest the came to troubling our rubbish keeper was Fofanas header.

Was the most relax I can remember being watching us play Liverpool, and they are my most disliked club.

Every time we got in position to have a shot I did not flinch a muscle, as all bar the offside James shot fell to players who are poor in front of goal. Felix, Kovacic, Havertz, never in a month of Sundays are they putting those chances in. Now had they fallen to James or Chilwell I would have believed, otherwise you knew what was coming.

If you can step back a little our finishing is comedy gold. Even when we thought we had scored I was thinking wait a minute, wait for the offside or something else, low and behold that pi$$ poor first attempt was not rewarded.

I know many like to call Kai a donkey, but for me he is more of that old tale of the blind squirrel. Every now and again he finds a nut, but in general he has no hope.

4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That has to be one of the worst Liverpool performances I have seen at the Bridge. The closest the came to troubling our rubbish keeper was Fofanas header.

You reading this @coco Blasphoemus!

5 minutes ago, Mod said:

You reading this @coco Blasphoemus!

Ah Mod, you and your man crush lol.

As long as this Bruno bloke persists with the False 9 tactic well be lucky to make top 10 now and bye bye a massive CL semi

Lets recall when once the club had one of the best wide men in Europe, EH scored for fun, put the current plethora of attacking mids to shame by miles and miles

but when he was tasked with leading the line on a few occasions it did not bear fruit, so what makes any manager/ 1st team coach think that the Donkey loving Donkey is gonna do any better ? Just because City & Dippers profited from it it does not mean its suited to every squad. 

Play Fofana or Auba up top in the remaining EPL games,  it cant be any worse than this prick teasing football we all are currently suffering ?

And as for Bruno continuing until the end of the season then why bother sacking GP ?? We are being led down the garden path by utter incompetency at the Board level.

 

 

26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Ah Mod, you and your man crush lol.

No man crush here, this ain't no Munkworth and Giroud!

I just think he's streets ahead of what Mendy ended up being, while not being remotely close to Cech and dare I say, that other guy!

Kepa didn't get enough credit for keeping us in games during a poor run and the goals he was slaughtered for, were mostly down to our backline being more open than a pornstar's under-crackers!

5 minutes ago, General said:

As long as this Bruno bloke persists with the False 9 tactic well be lucky to make top 10 now and bye bye a massive CL semi

Lets recall when once the club had one of the best wide men in Europe, EH scored for fun, put the current plethora of attacking mids to shame by miles and miles

but when he was tasked with leading the line on a few occasions it did not bear fruit, so what makes any manager/ 1st team coach think that the Donkey loving Donkey is gonna do any better ? Just because City & Dippers profited from it it does not mean its suited to every squad. 

Play Fofana or Auba up top in the remaining EPL games,  it cant be any worse than this prick teasing football we all are currently suffering ?

And as for Bruno continuing until the end of the season then why bother sacking GP ?? We are being led down the garden path by utter incompetency at the Board level.

 

 

Agreed. Unless the board is planning to bring in a new manager quickly, or a different interim, I don't really see why they bothered getting rid of Potter. We are not going to see anything drastically different just by switching to one of his assistants.

I think a big part of the whole situation with Fofana/Auba is a direct result of leaving them out of the Champs League squad. While we are in the Champions League I doubt you will see many players feature in league games if they are not in the CL squad. In addition of course Fofana has supposedly been injured and Auba seems to be entirely frozen from the squad. What a mess. At this point I'd rather we give an academy player like Mason Burstow a chance than persist with Havertz.

 

7 minutes ago, Mod said:

No man crush here, this ain't no Munkworth and Giroud!

I just think he's streets ahead of what Mendy ended up being, while not being remotely close to Cech and dare I say, that other guy!

Kepa didn't get enough credit for keeping us in games during a poor run and the goals he was slaughtered for, were mostly down to our backline being more open than a pornstar's under-crackers!

Lol fair enough, though neither of them are good enough at the top level for me. 

Like you said not remotely close to the 3 Cs, the other one being Cudicini. Speakong of pornstars not as good as Ed De Goey imo either, as a Goalkeeper I mean you would need to ask @Valerieif he "measures up" otherwise  😉

Edited April 4, 20233 yr by axman2526

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

But running 15 yards with the ball at feet, in a straight line directly at the goalkeeper and then dinking it straight at him surely is cack.

Yeah... we are where we are, the boy gave everything, just a bit unlucky it bounced back and hit his hand before going in....

The Kovacic miss was woeful... I mean these guys are pros aren't they... sort of thing you expect to see in the Pub League... after lunch ... 😁

Well despite knowing this epic game was 0-0 I decided to watch anyway.  Overall we weren't that bad against a weakened Liverpool side, who like ourselves are just bang out of form and nothing to play for.   CC should never be in the starting 11 let alone the squad; his running around reminds me of a black Spaniel running around after a stick.  Felix was good in parts but sadly is being dragged down to everyone else's level.  Depends who comes in as manager, but I think he'll bugger off elsewhere at the end of the season unless Todd somehow manages to come up with a trade and cash or meet the demands of AM. A player of his talent wants European football unless he's drank the Kool Aid and believes the 'long term project' has legs.  Havertz is simply not good enough to start at the moment.  We need someone to put the ball in the net and as with many of our attacking players, we get 25 yards out and it all falls apart as tonight highlighted.   A decent striker and we would have easily won this game. Liverpool were very poor and won't make the top 4 at this rate, but who cares.

Nice to see Kante back fit and putting in a good performance, Enzo once again pretty much flawless apart from a couple of missed passes, but is always looking to play forward.  It's a case of who plays alongside him on a regular basis, as much as I like Kovacic at times we really need someone in the middle who can score goals and sadly Kovacic isn't it, apart from the odd worldly now and then he's pretty much useless when attempting anything resembling a shot on goal.  With the squad we have surely someone can fill that role.   Defensively we will look better when Silva returns, playing alongside Badashile and Fofana, assuming a back 3 continues.  Tonight was OK apart from the Spaniel running around and out of position most of the time; a couple of Liverpool attacks were thwarted but rarely was our defence put under any pressure.   

I guess it's another point towards safety and another day to look forward to with the announcement of a new manager.  Who ever it is, lets hope they see sense and put the Spaniel out of his misery and actually play a proper centre forward or at someone that looks like one.  

3 hours ago, just said:

He will and he will score them. When we have a proper centre-forward, a proper striker, a proper finisher. Until then we will continue to struggle in the EPL.

I will wait on who we hire as manager before making big spending on st. Lukaku experience traumatized me. 

6 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

f**king hell, I know you have sh*t standards, but now you're taking the piss. Imagine saying he was worse than two subs who only got what, 15 minutes? Felix at least had nice moments that he could have scored from if it wasn't for some nice blocks by the Liverpool defenders. Havertz ruined everything. Even late on he was too busy f**king about next to James instead of busting a gut to get into the box so he could cross onto his head, literally the one thing he is actually good at.

I disagree. Havertz was pretty good all game as the target. He missed one shot which admittedly was horrible but he made some great runs, was through on goal and unfortunately scored with hand. He made Alisson work a couple of times, Felix for example 0 times. 

His finishing should be better but Alisson was excellent you can't deny that. 

That is why managers pick him. If BS started Mudryk for example we wouldn't have had the chances he had in the game. The hate he gets here for not finishing is clouding everything else he is doing well. 

 

A bit of a new manager bounce, should have won the game, if only Havertz and his mates stopped trying so hard not to score. Having Kante back is a huge plus, if he keeps fit we may just have a chance in the CL tie. Both sides are poor and not wanting to lose, it's a relieved 1 point for both teams, and we are 1 point away from the magical 40.😅

11 minutes ago, evissy said:

I disagree. Havertz was pretty good all game as the target. He missed one shot which admittedly was horrible but he made some great runs, was through on goal and unfortunately scored with hand. He made Alisson work a couple of times, Felix for example 0 times. 

His finishing should be better but Alisson was excellent you can't deny that. 

That is why managers pick him. If BS started Mudryk for example we wouldn't have had the chances he had in the game. The hate he gets here for not finishing is clouding everything else he is doing well. 

 

I'm sorry but what? Havertz was a shambles, he made Alisson look better with his woeful attempts to finish. Havertz can't even finish his dinner.

Kovacic is another player who just isn't good enough. Yes he can dribble nicely at times, but he lacks the ability to drive forward and create, and as for scoring goals, let's not go there.

 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I disagree. Havertz was pretty good all game as the target. He missed one shot which admittedly was horrible but he made some great runs, was through on goal and unfortunately scored with hand. He made Alisson work a couple of times, Felix for example 0 times. 

His finishing should be better but Alisson was excellent you can't deny that. 

That is why managers pick him. If BS started Mudryk for example we wouldn't have had the chances he had in the game. The hate he gets here for not finishing is clouding everything else he is doing well. 

 

Incredible that you are praising Havertz. He does more bad than good and is one of the key reasons why we do not win games or score goals. He's a donkey up front, constantly loses the ball by sleeping and poor control and just doesn't make anyone around him better or bring them into play. The criticism of him isnt knee jerk either. He plays 90mins every week and is such an ineffective player.