30 minutes ago, evissy said:

This could also be misinterpreted. His English is not perfect. He may just respond to the talk about formations in general. We and people in general around football talk about formations a ton, he just wants to emphasize it is lot less important than it is credited. Tuchel also said formation is irrelevant. 3 at Back or 4 at back doesn't matter, what matters how you play in it. 

And I think this organic style is his style. I have felt all the time he lets players learn and express themselves. Time Will tell if it works or if that is something the club wants.

That’s the problem these young players need structure not organic style.

3 minutes ago, El regreso said:

That’s the problem these young players need structure not organic style.

Aye, it might work when you've got Messi, Neymar and Mbappe up top (although he still finished 2nd with that lot) but when you're working with Wacko Jacko perhaps a different approach is required.

9 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Aye, it might work when you've got Messi, Neymar and Mbappe up top (although he still finished 2nd with that lot) but when you're working with Wacko Jacko perhaps a different approach is required.

When you're working with Wacko Jacko, I think it's clear the best approach is to leave the useless **** on the bench!!

17 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Poch, and by proxy us, are very lucky we are talking about 5 points from the last 9, when it should have been 0.

1. 10 man for a half Burnley have Rodriguez miss an open goal volley right at the end of the game.

2. If Dalot keeps his balance no pen, no 82 second comeback. 

3. Sheff United bossed us for most of the game, and should have found a late winner bit messed it up like Rodriguez did.

 

That's the state of this team under Poch.

It's not that simple though is it, plenty of matches we should've won a game and missed a boatload, including those games you mentioned. So it's a silly game to play. 

9 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not sure I believe that just yet. 
 

James declared untouchable amidst Real Madrid interest. 
New improved Palmer contract on the horizon. 

Seems ownership will protect the valuable ones. 

Perhaps we are trying to sell Kepa before we ruin the relationship with James especially after Hazard. 😀

14 hours ago, El regreso said:

Watch until till the end of the video about 35 seconds, “tell me he didn’t just say that”

 

😂😂😂

Every single manager or people who have ever involved in football will agree with what poch is saying. 

Btw a lot fans here love to talk about tactic. 

If you want a clear example, look at united. Ten hag is A**x style "modern" jdp/positional/control build up  Arteta/pep style manager. 

Yet his team is playing the craziest chaotic ball every game. 

 

 

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

That’s the problem these young players need structure not organic style.

With organic style, does it mean that he buys organic lemons and organic sausages for the bbq?

1 hour ago, evissy said:

This could also be misinterpreted. His English is not perfect. He may just respond to the talk about formations in general. We and people in general around football talk about formations a ton, he just wants to emphasize it is lot less important than it is credited. Tuchel also said formation is irrelevant. 3 at Back or 4 at back doesn't matter, what matters how you play in it. 

And I think this organic style is his style. I have felt all the time he lets players learn and express themselves. Time Will tell if it works or if that is something the club wants.

I believe this is the case.

Let's face it, you don't get to the level Poch has without knowing what you are doing. Whether his style is going to work for us however is another debate to be had, 

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

When you're working with Wacko Jacko, I think it's clear the best approach is to leave the useless **** on the bench!!

Lol. 😂

I still maintain Wacko has something about him and will be a very good player in the future. Probably not a popular opinion right now, but I think the lad needs time and minutes. I completely understand the frustrations though.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

This could also be misinterpreted. His English is not perfect. He may just respond to the talk about formations in general.

It could if it wasnt for us seeing it with our own eyes that there is no structure, no style of play, no defensive control at all, and whatever his "plan" is it really isnt working. Just randomness and hope Palmer does something.

Edited April 9, 20242 yr by dkw

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Lol. 😂

I still maintain Wacko has something about him and will be a very good player in the future. Probably not a popular opinion right now, but I think the lad needs time and minutes. I completely understand the frustrations though.

I think you are in the minority of having any kind of faith in Jackson to be honest. But that could be said about many in our squad. There could be threads for most of them - Jackson, Caicedo, Mudryk, Madueke, Disasi, Badiashille.............will ANY of them come good? (Madueke is the only one I would put any money on right now).

Our only CONSISTENT performers right now appear to be Palmer & Gusto and even they can't be expected to do it every game.

 

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Lol. 😂

I still maintain Wacko has something about him and will be a very good player in the future. Probably not a popular opinion right now, but I think the lad needs time and minutes. I completely understand the frustrations though.

Yep, that's the joy of the pyramid system, there is a level out there for everyone 

6 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Our only CONSISTENT performers right now appear to be Palmer & Gusto and even they can't be expected to do it every game.

Give Joe Shields the keys. 

Fully expecting Lavia to be a hit next year. 

3 hours ago, strider6004 said:

No I've said before don't think he will bring us silverware.

Do think with Gusto and Colwill back we improve straight away.

Doesn't really matter if 3 defenders was missing or none, Sheff Utd had players missing too and are one of the worst prem teams in history. Chelsea only managed 6 shots in 90mins, there was no positive to find from that result.

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Lol. 😂

I still maintain Wacko has something about him and will be a very good player in the future. Probably not a popular opinion right now, but I think the lad needs time and minutes. I completely understand the frustrations though.

He’s better on the left wing IMO.

As a striker for us, not up to it.

He’s the only striker I know who could be clean through on goal from the half way line and will still find a way to run straight into the goalkeeper.

2 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Lol. 😂

I still maintain Wacko has something about him and will be a very good player in the future. Probably not a popular opinion right now, but I think the lad needs time and minutes. I completely understand the frustrations though.

I believe in him as well. Him being the only «senior» striker in first season at the club is way too much responsobility, he wasn’t ready for that but we shouldn’t expect him to be either. He’s had ups and downs, but for me has shown enough that I believe that if he can share the burden the next season or two he could become a big player for us. 

Poch has started blaming the players, blaming the crowd, blamed the owners for not giving him older players but has he taken any responsibility? He could have said "it was a mistake playing  Conor at  leftwing, i should have played Mudryck or Sterling and rested one of the mids"  (in my opinion conor was the one that could use a game off and where we clearly have the most cover just now). Anyway, we have all had long enough to make up our minds. If you haven't worked out whether you think Poch is the right or wrong manager no amount of discussion on this forum will change anything.

And for the record I think the tactics and the execution of them are just the outcome of the process. When the players internalise their belief in the project, their belief in each other the discipline and the execution will follow. Right now they might like the manager but they do not believe, any more than we do.

 

49 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Give Joe Shields the keys. 

Fully expecting Lavia to be a hit next year. 

Judging by how random the partnership of Enzo and Caicedo looks, I wouldn't count on Lavia to be a game-changer till we get a real manager that actually has some tactics and plans in mind for the squad. Till then everyone is basically winging it...

1 hour ago, 2211 said:

He’s better on the left wing IMO.

As a striker for us, not up to it.

He’s the only striker I know who could be clean through on goal from the half way line and will still find a way to run straight into the goalkeeper.

Yes it's a roller coaster of emotion when Wacko is through on goal - running at full pelt with the ball ricocheting off his shins.

Who stays and who goes at the end of the season?

New keeper needed.

Petrovic - keep as no 2

Sanchez -sell £15 million 

 

New left back needed maybe take Hall back?

Chillwell - keep

Cucu - Sell £20 million 

Maatsen - sell £25 million

 

New CB needed.

Fofana, Disasi, Colwill, Gilchrist - keep

Bada - Sell £22 million

Trev - sell £25 million

Midfield.

Lesley - sell £20 million 

Gallagher - sell £50 million

Casedei- sell £20 million 

 

Forwards

Jackson- sell £25 million

Sterling - sell £35 million 

Washington - sell £10 million

Broja - sell £20 million

Fofana - sell £25 million.

 

I’ve probably missed a few but if we got rid of the above (unlikely as it is) that’s getting on for £300 million which would allow us to start getting on top of FFP whilst being able to get a gk, CB and a striker in. We need a much smaller squad next season in

 Thoughts?

18 hours ago, dkw said:

Dear God that's abysmal, no wonder we look clueless, we're managed by bloody Neil from the young ones.

It's got to be a deep fake video surely?

11 minutes ago, 19seventyone said:

Who stays and who goes at the end of the season?

New keeper needed.

Petrovic - keep as no 2

Sanchez -sell £15 million 

 

New left back needed maybe take Hall back?

Chillwell - keep

Cucu - Sell £20 million 

Maatsen - sell £25 million

 

New CB needed.

Fofana, Disasi, Colwill, Gilchrist - keep

Bada - Sell £22 million

Trev - sell £25 million

Midfield.

Lesley - sell £20 million 

Gallagher - sell £50 million

Casedei- sell £20 million 

 

Forwards

Jackson- sell £25 million

Sterling - sell £35 million 

Washington - sell £10 million

Broja - sell £20 million

Fofana - sell £25 million.

 

I’ve probably missed a few but if we got rid of the above (unlikely as it is) that’s getting on for £300 million which would allow us to start getting on top of FFP whilst being able to get a gk, CB and a striker in. We need a much smaller squad next season in

 Thoughts?

Our owners MIGHT well be able to sell that lot for £300m

But they will buy a few teenagers from abroad to replace them , they have stated that they are sticking with the plan to buy young players and hope they become good players eventually .

 

3 months later and it’s still completely relevant. 

 

51 minutes ago, 19seventyone said:

Who stays and who goes at the end of the season?

New keeper needed.

Petrovic - keep as no 2

Sanchez -sell £15 million 

 

New left back needed maybe take Hall back?

Chillwell - keep

Cucu - Sell £20 million 

Maatsen - sell £25 million

 

New CB needed.

Fofana, Disasi, Colwill, Gilchrist - keep

Bada - Sell £22 million

Trev - sell £25 million

Midfield.

Lesley - sell £20 million 

Gallagher - sell £50 million

Casedei- sell £20 million 

 

Forwards

Jackson- sell £25 million

Sterling - sell £35 million 

Washington - sell £10 million

Broja - sell £20 million

Fofana - sell £25 million.

 

I’ve probably missed a few but if we got rid of the above (unlikely as it is) that’s getting on for £300 million which would allow us to start getting on top of FFP whilst being able to get a gk, CB and a striker in. We need a much smaller squad next season in

 Thoughts?

Yep, something along those lines (although not convinced selling Gallagher is wise - especially to Spurs). But realistically, are we likely to be able to offload some of those, who are are good contracts?

It's a real mess and although it can be put right, it will take a lot of work.