Our famous and much loved moustachioed goalkeeper/ Dutch pornstar, Ed De Goey started out exactly like Sanchez. Made a few cock-ups with the ball at his feet in the beginning but eventually became a fine keeper for us.

 

29 minutes ago, just said:

Our famous and much loved moustachioed goalkeeper/ Dutch pornstar, Ed De Goey started out exactly like Sanchez. Made a few cock-ups with the ball at his feet in the beginning but eventually became a fine keeper for us.

 

But never did improve with his feet though. If we are to persevere with Sanchez he must be instructed to never play short passes. He just doesn't have the game IQ and speed of thought to make the right choice and execute it.

He has done this so many times already this season, he did it three times against Brighton and got away with it, surely he needs benching for a while and give Petrovic a try.

Despite the quality of our play under Poch and the ongoing improvement in a number of players the continuing worrying aspect is that our two weakest areas are in the two most important positions on the pitch.

Edited October 23, 20232 yr by WhiteWall

I understand the idea of being brave with the ball because our style of football demands it. However Sanchez has to be smart and drop the most bonkers passes he's made 4-5 in the last 4-5 games. He also needs to learn how to play with his midfielders and defenders so people move to right spots for him to pass to. It is not just him. But he should just go long if he is not 100% sure the pass will go to our guy. 

I am pretty sure this problem is very solveable. His teammates need to express to him they don't want those mistakes as it can undo so much good work. 

23 hours ago, OriginalS said:

His successful pass percentage yesterday was 55% which is utter sh*t. Attempted 31 and only 17 found a Chelsea player.

So no it wasn't.

When you take in to account the long balls that's a pretty decent pass accuracy for a GK tbf. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I understand the idea of being brave with the ball because our style of football demands it. However Sanchez has to be smart and drop the most bonkers passes he's made 4-5 in the last 4-5 games. He also needs to learn how to play with his midfielders and defenders so people move to right spots for him to pass to. It is not just him. But he should just go long if he is not 100% sure the pass will go to our guy. 

I am pretty sure this problem is very solveable. His teammates need to express to him they don't want those mistakes as it can undo so much good work. 

If you look at it, his backline helping him out with quickly opening angles and passing channels once the ball moves back towards him but he takes ages and is indecisive about choosing a passing lane then tries the 2nd or even 3rd pass at times and mucks it up.

Some keepers in my opinion should be banned from playing out the back. Coaching may not help with him because the coaching staff see what we see. If we insist on playing that way, we will need to get rid.

His decision making at corners might need tweakng as well, he wiped out Jesus on one and it could easily have been a penalty.

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

If you look at it, his backline helping him out with quickly opening angles and passing channels once the ball moves back towards him but he takes ages and is indecisive about choosing a passing lane then tries the 2nd or even 3rd pass at times and mucks it up.

Some keepers in my opinion should be banned from playing out the back. Coaching may not help with him because the coaching staff see what we see. If we insist on playing that way, we will need to get rid.

I think this is coachable. They can drill him on that no problem. I think they should really emphasize on that rest of the season. It is a thing where you need to decide quickly so they need to give him tools to have 2 options instead of 4. Narrow down his options on how to progress with the pass; if it is clear cut, pass to defender/midfielder. If not, go long and try to find attackers. His problem has been the longer pass between pressing players. All his mistakes have come from that. 

One thing that could also change/help things is we get Badiashile back and at some point Fofana. Different profile CB's. And if Colwill is played CB from now on he can also bring a different aspect to the equation.

If he still makes a decisive error in every game you need to start introducing Petrovic to the side.

On 22/10/2023 at 09:50, OriginalS said:

His successful pass percentage yesterday was 55% which is utter sh*t. Attempted 31 and only 17 found a Chelsea player.

So no it wasn't.

Oh, my mistake then. It didn't look that bad when watching.

16 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Oh, my mistake then. It didn't look that bad when watching.

If its taking into consideration launched passes, which i imagine it is, 55% really isn't bad for a keeper at all. In 2020 the average for keepers was 57%. 

 

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If its taking into consideration launched passes, which i imagine it is, 55% really isn't bad for a keeper at all. In 2020 the average for keepers was 57%. 

 

I misread the stat to be honest. I thought it was referring to short passes only. Obviously if you include long passes it's going to take the success rate down by a lot yeah. 

2 hours ago, evissy said:

I think this is coachable. They can drill him on that no problem. I think they should really emphasize on that rest of the season. It is a thing where you need to decide quickly so they need to give him tools to have 2 options instead of 4. Narrow down his options on how to progress with the pass; if it is clear cut, pass to defender/midfielder. If not, go long and try to find attackers. His problem has been the longer pass between pressing players. All his mistakes have come from that. 

One thing that could also change/help things is we get Badiashile back and at some point Fofana. Different profile CB's. And if Colwill is played CB from now on he can also bring a different aspect to the equation.

If he still makes a decisive error in every game you need to start introducing Petrovic to the side.

I amnot so sure tbh.

It looks to me that the de Zerbi issue had nothing to do with a personality clash, it looks more and more like de Zerbi had his card marked, hence why he trusted a journeyman, bang average, championship goalkeeper over him and then brought in a further second choice to push him further down the order.

THere is no issue not being able to play out from the back. All of our defenders are comfortable on the ball and should be able play out of a press. Big Pete couldn't play but still ranks as one of the best keepers we have ever had. If you can't play out, don't. It's simple. Don't continually try to do stuff that you cannot do and undermine the team and your own performance constantly.

Half of the reason why we face a high press is becuase of the insistence to play out. If back passes under a press are hoofed into midfield we can structure ourselves to handle that and the opposition will adjust to it as well. Even if we are then losing 50/50 challenges in midfield its still 40 odd yards from our goal

Moving away from the kick, does Kepa save Trossards goal, because, imo, Sanchez was awful on that and should have saved it.

@Modueke

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Moving away from the kick, does Kepa save Trossards goal, because, imo, Sanchez was awful on that and should have saved it.

@Modueke

No, best case he'd have got a hand to it and made it look unsaveable.

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Moving away from the kick, does Kepa save Trossards goal, because, imo, Sanchez was awful on that and should have saved it.

@Modueke

Of course Kepa gets that, brilliant reflexes at point blank. Remember last season where he made 2 or 3 saves in the same succession at similar distance. 

Oh dear. We're comparing Keep with Sanchez in who is better? I'd be all over Butland at his "available" price. better than both at the basics. Hope we see a couple of games from the youngster we bought from the state. 

 

Anyhow, Hope Sanchez learns where the touchline is and how to apply a set of laces through a ball. Much rather see it played long or out than trying to find feet in a congested midfield. Teams will set up for it now. 

An area that needs to be looked at January or in the summer as I dont see much difference between Kepa, caballero, or Sanchez.

 

39 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Moving away from the kick, does Kepa save Trossards goal, because, imo, Sanchez was awful on that and should have saved it.

@Modueke

I would have Kepa back over Sanchez, that said the 2nd goal was on Gusto and his ball watching.  

Criticism of Sanchez is certainly valid after he cost us the game, but to suggest Kepa does anything better than him is certainly a case of short term memory. He spent the best part of 6 years being absolutely honking, last season alone he cost us a fair number of games.

Yes it was a horrendous mistake by Sanchez but to be fair to him, Gallagher could have done a lot better there. Take a look at this screenshot

He had more time to get there before Rice did. It’s not just Sanchez’s fault, it’s also Gallagher and slightly Enzo too.

2 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Yes it was a horrendous mistake by Sanchez but to be fair to him, Gallagher could have done a lot better there. Take a look at this screenshot

He had more time to get there before Rice did. It’s not just Sanchez’s fault, it’s also Gallagher and slightly Enzo too.

That pass just should not have been played, its an unnecessary one to a player who would be instantly under pressure.

3 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Yes it was a horrendous mistake by Sanchez but to be fair to him, Gallagher could have done a lot better there. Take a look at this screenshot

He had more time to get there before Rice did. It’s not just Sanchez’s fault, it’s also Gallagher and slightly Enzo too.

He didnt have to play it into a danger zone. man on the edge of the penalty area and a man on the touchline both available, creating a triangle of potential passes out or puts laces through it and onto the half way line. Last option the safest. It is essentially 3 on one around Gallagher. 

I think the pass was intended for Enzo, but was too far away from him.

2 hours ago, Modueke said:

Of course Kepa gets that, brilliant reflexes at point blank. Remember last season where he made 2 or 3 saves in the same succession at similar distance. 

3 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I amnot so sure tbh.

It looks to me that the de Zerbi issue had nothing to do with a personality clash, it looks more and more like de Zerbi had his card marked, hence why he trusted a journeyman, bang average, championship goalkeeper over him and then brought in a further second choice to push him further down the order.

THere is no issue not being able to play out from the back. All of our defenders are comfortable on the ball and should be able play out of a press. Big Pete couldn't play but still ranks as one of the best keepers we have ever had. If you can't play out, don't. It's simple. Don't continually try to do stuff that you cannot do and undermine the team and your own performance constantly.

Half of the reason why we face a high press is becuase of the insistence to play out. If back passes under a press are hoofed into midfield we can structure ourselves to handle that and the opposition will adjust to it as well. Even if we are then losing 50/50 challenges in midfield its still 40 odd yards from our goal

I am thinking which keepers get away with not being able to play with the other players is probably Courtois. He is such a good stopper otherwise he gets away with it. Pep wouldn't take Courtois if he could. Ederson adds so much to City's build up play his keeping skills are secondary in value. Ederson however is pretty good in that as well. 

Raya over Ramsdale is also an improvement on playing out from back. Ramsdale was a revelation for them and they still "upgraded" to Raya.

Look at De Gea. Great shot stopper on his day, unbelievably bad at playing from the back. He has no club. 

If you can't play with the ball you don't play these days. You have to have a specialist team to do so. Atletico with Simeone is someone who doesn't worry about playing from back either. They also have one of the world's best stoppers in Oblak.

Pochettino has already said Sanchez' needs to take risks to be a keeper for us but he needs more support from the players. He just needs to take the risks better than he does right now.

56 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Yes it was a horrendous mistake by Sanchez but to be fair to him, Gallagher could have done a lot better there. Take a look at this screenshot

He had more time to get there before Rice did. It’s not just Sanchez’s fault, it’s also Gallagher and slightly Enzo too.

In this position it is much harder for Gallagher to react to a misplaced pass, one that he might have expected to be going to Enzo, as it is easy for Rice to pick his pocket.  Sanchez had three options, 1 good (Cucu), 1 poor (Enzo) and 1 okay (Upfield). He picked the poor option and didn't even execute it properly.

That said, he didn't cause us to lose (that's how it felt from where we were), tired legs, and positional changes after James introduction were more the cause I'd say.

Blaming Gallagher is nonsense.