Should not be overplaying him

7 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

Such a funny take on Sarri. Sarri opened up the game for Hazard to shine. Hazard had 44 G+A in the 3 years combined and with Sarri, he had 31. Rudiger, RLC, Hazard, and Alonso all played their best for us under Sarri, and he started the change to Kante's game that Tuchel continued that led to our CL win.

Did you watch us? It was mostly like watching paint dry.

12 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

Such a funny take on Sarri. Sarri opened up the game for Hazard to shine. Hazard had 44 G+A in the 3 years combined and with Sarri, he had 31. Rudiger, RLC, Hazard, and Alonso all played their best for us under Sarri, and he started the change to Kante's game that Tuchel continued that led to our CL win.

Thats an enormously ridiculous retelling of what actually happened. He didnt "open up the game" for Hazard at all, Hazard dragged us through games where we played turgid stodgy football designed to take no risks, safety first nonsense with short passes aimed at not losing possession. Alonso played well as he followed Hazard up the pitch and played as a winger/forward more often than not.

Just now, dkw said:

Thats an enormously ridiculous retelling of what actually happened. He didnt "open up the game" for Hazard at all, Hazard dragged us through games where we played turgid stodgy football designed to take no risks, safety first nonsense with short passes aimed at not losing possession. Alonso played well as he followed Hazard up the pitch and played as a winger/forward more often than not.

I would also argue that Alonso's season under Sarri wasn't his best. His best was that first season under Conte as a wing back.

13 hours ago, Wearyourblue said:

Such a funny take on Sarri. Sarri opened up the game for Hazard to shine. Hazard had 44 G+A in the 3 years combined and with Sarri, he had 31. Rudiger, RLC, Hazard, and Alonso all played their best for us under Sarri, and he started the change to Kante's game that Tuchel continued that led to our CL win.

Then you don't understand Hazard. Hazard couldn't careless about your tactic. Hazard knew that it was his last season with us that is why he was more motivated that season.

6 minutes ago, dkw said:

Thats an enormously ridiculous retelling of what actually happened. He didnt "open up the game" for Hazard at all, Hazard dragged us through games where we played turgid stodgy football designed to take no risks, safety first nonsense with short passes aimed at not losing possession. Alonso played well as he followed Hazard up the pitch and played as a winger/forward more often than not.

Sarri similar to Maresca want his winger to stay wide but Hazard couldn't careless

I think many Chelsea fans truly underestimate the talent level of Hazard.

This is Hazard. Usually when team attack you want to build through the middle, get the ball between the line, create space, bla2.

When you have Hazard, giving him the ball is the best option.

Looks like he’ll be out for 6-8 weeks.

Time for Estevao and Buonanotte to step up

Huge opportunity for them over the next 6-8 weeks ...

56 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Looks like he’ll be out for 6-8 weeks.

Might as well write that period off.

The silver lining could be that we get so bad without Palmer that the board have no option other than to give Maresca his P45.

Wish we had just dealt with the injury after the CWC. If he missed the first two months of the season, so be it. I would rather he missed that period than the winter period.

4 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Looks like he’ll be out for 6-8 weeks.

If that's the actual time frame just send him for the op now and get it sorted.

Palmer is good but not even close to prime Hazard under Sarri.

But Palmer is a one of the first players to get me off my seat like Hazard did. Long way to go for him with us but Palmer is one of those players you give the ball to and let play... Very exciting and if he stays a few seasons, plays in his strongest position...

He’s injured for a substantial period of time, so let’s see what our ‘squad’ is actually like.

Also, and it’s absolutely no pop at CP whatsoever ‘cos he is a fantastic player, but most of his memorable performances came under Poch or when he drifted out right under Poundland Pep.

When he’s played through the middle, with the style we play, he’s so easily nullified and there’s started to be more ‘frustrating’ performances than memorable ones.

That’s 1000% on the coach not the player, just an observation that it’ll come a time where we’ll have to pick between the two I’d suggest

Huge loss for the period, and squad is surprisingly thin. Estevao and Bounanette will get plenty of playing time.

41 minutes ago, PhilH930 said:

Huge loss for the period, and squad is surprisingly thin. Estevao and Bounanette will get plenty of playing time.

But they are frail kids as well. These will break just as easily.

Still, i am sure all of this knowledge is baked into the data driven approach we have for pre-pubescent wonderkids

14 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

But they are frail kids as well. These will break just as easily.

Still, i am sure all of this knowledge is baked into the data driven approach we have for pre-pubescent wonderkids

For all the 'data-driven' approaches we have supposedly had, our most successful signings are:

Palmer - coach's recommendation
Caicedo - obvious signing, most sought-after DM in the league
Cucurella - coach's recommendation (Tuchel)/most sought-after LB in the league
Estevao - obvious signing, most sought after talent in the world
Santos - obvious signing, Brazil junior age-group captain and most prominent player

The only thing close to 'data-driven' success might be Joao Pedro, but unlike many i'm not that high on him tbh.

7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Estevao - obvious signing, most sought after talent in the world
Santos - obvious signing, Brazil junior age-group captain and most prominent player

Neither of these are a particularly striking success (yet !) - not even in the first 11, never mind being something like "the stars of the team - and the "obvious signing" probably has a touch of selection bias in it. There are dozens "junior age-group" captains/stars for major footballing nations and plenty of them do not grow up to be super-stars.

I would say that it's exactly for differentiating between a junior age-group star that will come good and one that won't - is where data-driven approach might be useful. We'll find out in a year or two if these were the right choices. :)

How long is he out for ?

49 minutes ago, Andy2461 said:

How long is he out for ?

2-3 weeks

1 hour ago, _Ilya_ said:

Neither of these are a particularly striking success (yet !) - not even in the first 11, never mind being something like "the stars of the team - and the "obvious signing" probably has a touch of selection bias in it. There are dozens "junior age-group" captains/stars for major footballing nations and plenty of them do not grow up to be super-stars.

I would say that it's exactly for differentiating between a junior age-group star that will come good and one that won't - is where data-driven approach might be useful. We'll find out in a year or two if these were the right choices. :)

The data driven approach has already "failed" in respect of Casadei (U19 Italy captain) and Chukwuemeka (U19 England captain), albeit in the passing of time it might prove that the data was correct, but that the humans making decisions on who to keep/flip showed a complete lack of patience in allowing promising players to actually develop :-)

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

2-3 weeks

Given the way we handle injuries that probably translates to 2-3 months

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The England international has been sidelined for the Blues' last two games with a groin problem

I really don't think he is going to be back after the international break. He doesn't seem close to recovering.