28 minutes ago, forbzy said:

It worked against Liverpool because we had both Chilwell and Reece working in tandem down the flanks. 

In pre-season we played a different system with 4 at the back and were generally much better to watch. It also didn't seem to matter which CB pair we played in pre-season too as the system worked OK for all the combinations. Odd that we seemed to abandon it as soon as the season started.

The Nkunku effect.

A reality check, we aren't that much better than last season. Playing 5 defenders against a team defend deep is always a big risk, especially Enzo playing so far forward, and only attacker that capable of running against defenders is Sterling. Sterling played well, but most time he was up against 2 or 3 by himself, even a prime Hazard would have struggled. Not a fan of Enzo playing forward, he's far more effective playing in a deeper position and spray those attacking passes, and more importantly he's not a natural goal scorer. Any comparison between Jackson and Drogba needs to cool down, he's a good young player that gives a lot, but anticipation and movement still has a long way to go, not even going to talk about that finishing. I hope the miss doesn't affect him. We got some good youth prospects, but they aren't suited to rescue acts, not yet at least.

It's frustrating for Poch, as much as he knows this is a 'long term' project, he's aware he must get results as well, just ask the last guy who got a 5 year contract. Against a well drilled experienced team, we just looked way off from getting the 3 points.

6 hours ago, Dr. Socrates said:

Don’t know what I just witnessed. That was dreadful on every level. All that money spent and we have one raw striker in the squad. A left back playing as left winger. A midfield that has no goals in it. And a 39 year old centre back that the manager is too scared to drop so sets up the team to protect his lack of pace. This is just nonsense from Poch. He has badly misjudged these opening games and this is the easy part of the season. We need to move to a more progressive style of play, especially against teams like Nottingham Forest. We can’t carry on like this. Nkunku is out for a long time and Poch’s solution to play three at the back with Chilwell as left winger, has been a disaster. 

100%. I’ll be shot for saying this but postecoglou would have them enjoying their football they are playing scared because that is the way poch has set them up. Deep down he is scared of failing and doesn’t trust the players. Deep down that’s what they feel. Having said that Jackson’s miss was very ordinary. But it wouldn’t matter if we created more. 

Every manager comes in and does the same back 5 sh*t. Why can't we find a manager with some balls. Cowards, the lot of them.

1 minute ago, Zeta said:

Every manager comes in and does the same back 5 sh*t. Why can't we find a manager with some balls. Cowards, the lot of them.

Is not different than having Potter in charge. Same useless tactics, same useless subs.

Worst still, it is a chore to watch us. It is supposed to be fun, a joy even, to watch us play but each game I go in to with a grimace, knowing the hot boring garbage we will serve up and rarely getting surprised.

Nevermind the Chelsea that won titles, give me the late 90s Chelsea and that glorious sexy football we used to play. Win, loss or draw we were almost always entertained.

Frustrating as hell. I have no idea why we still play with 5 at the back and now we play Chilwell at LW. Come on Poch!

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Is not different than having Potter in charge. Same useless tactics, same useless subs.

Worst still, it is a chore to watch us. It is supposed to be fun, a joy even, to watch us play but each game I go in to with a grimace, knowing the hot boring garbage we will serve up and rarely getting surprised.

Nevermind the Chelsea that won titles, give me the late 90s Chelsea and that glorious sexy football we used to play. Win, loss or draw we were almost always entertained.

It's the hope that kills you. We start well, you think today is going to be different, then you quickly notice the same patterns emerging as we fail to take the first big chance of the game. Our attacking game starts to deteriorate, the defence starts playing slower out of the back, players start making sloppy passes. We go in for half time, come out switched off, make a mistake, and somebody in the oppostion runs through and scores. Then the rest of the game we get panicky, create nothing and lose looking completely hopeless. It's the story of almost all of our defeats, and we just can't break the cycle.

52 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It's the hope that kills you. We start well, you think today is going to be different, then you quickly notice the same patterns emerging as we fail to take the first big chance of the game. Our attacking game starts to deteriorate, the defence starts playing slower out of the back, players start making sloppy passes. We go in for half time, come out switched off, make a mistake, and somebody in the oppostion runs through and scores. Then the rest of the game we get panicky, create nothing and lose looking completely hopeless. It's the story of almost all of our defeats, and we just can't break the cycle.

Aye is indeed, 3 different managers, maybe 4 if you included the end of TT reign, all the same cr@p yet with different players.

Only constant I am seeing is the owners. At the very least they have awful decision making when it comes to picking a manager, or directors of football, or both.

So to those who said Sterling should use this match to convince Gareth Southgate, did he do that?

Well, I watch the world and I laugh. You have such talents like Madueke and Mudryk, but you prefer Gallagher and Sterling. We play against Nottingham forest at Stamford Bridge after spending £1b, we keep Mudryk, Palmer, Madueke on the bench, and we play Sterling, Gallagher, 5 at the back etc.

What human beings actually want, I don't know. Will Guardiola at City make Sterling his first choice when he has Mahrez, Foden, Aguero etc. No way.

We should be playing four at the back. Have two solid defenders at the back like other top teams in the PL. Some people cannot keep a 39 year old player defender on the bench in the premier league, they must play him, then the team must play five at the back because of that, and therefore play mediocre players upfront.

How can we score without good players upfront? We make it very easy for opponents to pack the bus and score an odd goal against us. We play everything but no good player upfront to convert the chances. 

We are better in terms of personnel than most teams in the world today, but most of the fans don't want us to use the top talents that we have, they don't believe in the top talents, how can we do well? We allow our rivals, the media and the pundits to insult us. We should be successful but we choose to fail.

Poch should take responsibility for this, we have to get back to 433, make the team solid in training, work on the defense with four at the back, I don't care whether Colwill or Thiago plays or not, we have Badiashile or Disasi who can play in a 4 at the back, have Enzo, Caicedo and Palmer in Midfield, and maybe Lavia. Then have a trio of Mudryk, Madueke and Jackson upfront.

Whatever fan wants Gallagher, Sterling etc. have seen what happened against Forest, if they want what happened against Forest to happen again, then they continue to play Gallagher and Sterling.

 

When you realize that there's still 8 years of this crap left:

 

Me personally would play the youth team, new manager in and nothing has changed 

Got no problem with us defensively so far, even the own goal, the Forest goal was a good goal, that’s the kind of football we could be playing if we gave up territory, you need a well drilled attack to break down a compact team who spend most of the game in their own third. 

I’m telling you this club is a test from God 

we are the chosen ones 

he’s trying to see how much we can take and if we stay loyal like Job 

hang in there 🔥

“My days are past, my purposes are broken off, Even the thoughts of my heart. They change the night into day: The light is short because of darkness.“

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by azpi28

I am very confused. A lot of people say we should play winger as winger. What happen if your fb is better than your winger as winger? 

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by Bob stark

Our full backs are fine. But we do need to play with one less CB and one more AM/Winger. It was fine to play with 3 CB’s against Liverpool. In fact that made a lot of sense.  Our CBs have all been great, btw. But one of them has to sit on the bench, for the good of the team. The balance of the team requires it.

 

Which one?

Can the kids be trusted with Thiago Silva on the bench?

Thiago Silva is one of the greatest CBs of all time. He also has the best song.

Back 3 of McKenna, Worrall and Boly and couldn't score. 

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

I am very confused. A lot of people say we should play winger as winger. What happen if your fb is better than your winger as winger? 

 There is no way Klopp or Pep play Chilwell ahead of natural wingers/attackers in Mudryk, Sterling, Palmer or Madueke. Zero chance.

He's complicating his system and lop siding it. Poch is falling for the same thing his past three predecessors did which inevitably got them sacked. Shoehorning players in the hope of a quick fix. We want to see these attackers develop and they are not going to do that on the bench. I'd rather see Madueke/Mudryk make a mistake I know they can learn from than Chilwell who I know won't get anything out of playing LW, or Colwill at LB. 

He'd get far less criticism too given we know we have an inexperienced attack. We just want to see them grow. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

 There is no way Klopp or Pep play Chilwell ahead of natural wingers/attackers in Mudryk, Sterling, Palmer or Madueke. Zero chance.

He's complicating his system and lop siding it. Poch is falling for the same thing his past three predecessors did which inevitably got them sacked. Shoehorning players in the hope of a quick fix. We want to see these attackers develop and they are not going to do that on the bench. I'd rather see Madueke/Mudryk make a mistake I know they can learn from than Chilwell who I know won't get anything out of playing LW, or Colwill at LB. 

He'd get far less criticism too given we know we have an inexperienced attack. We just want to see them grow. 

You should question why any manager will ever play a lb over a winger. That is the only question. 

This is not 343, this is 4231.

Just now, Bob stark said:

You should question why any manager will ever play a lb over a winger. That is the only question. 

This is not 343, this is 4231.

I already have my opinion. He wants more maturity. 

Poch has went on record stating he wants experience in his side. I believe he his shoe horning Silva into the team, needs additional cover so puts on both Colwill and Disasi. Chilwell is his vice captain so he needs to play also. Left side attacking wise then becomes redundant. Jackson is isolated up top and has to drop deep given Enzo isn't a natural attacking midfielder. Sterling and Gusto are all in 1 vs 3 situations on the right hand side because Forrest's defensive focus is on that side. 

Like I said, Poch would have a lot more respect if he showed some guts and didn't complicate things. You don't solve a goal scoring issue by fielding more defenders. 

 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

I already have my opinion. He wants more maturity. 

Poch has went on record stating he wants experience in his side. I believe he his shoe horning Silva into the team, needs additional cover so puts on both Colwill and Disasi. Chilwell is his vice captain so he needs to play also. Left side attacking wise then becomes redundant. Jackson is isolated up top and has to drop deep given Enzo isn't a natural attacking midfielder. Sterling and Gusto are all in 1 vs 3 situations on the right hand side because Forrest's defensive focus is on that side. 

Like I said, Poch would have a lot more respect if he showed some guts and didn't complicate things. You don't solve a goal scoring issue by fielding more defenders. 

More maturity? Carney is our starting AM and he is 19.

Who should play between the line then if not Enzo? 

 

 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

More maturity? Carney is our starting AM and he is 19.

Who should play between the line then if not Enzo? 

Exactly, thus Poch feeling the need to force more experience on to complement it. 

Moving forward, Palmer should be playing with Jackson. 

34 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 There is no way Klopp or Pep play Chilwell ahead of natural wingers/attackers in Mudryk, Sterling, Palmer or Madueke. Zero chance.

Pep has never selected a centre back or a goal keeper with less techicnal ability than Mudryk.

there's no away he gets a minute under Pep he'd have been sold this summer if Pep came in.

Chilly shouldn't be left wing but it isn't like he's keeping any quality wingers out the team and I'm sure Palmer will play once he's actually trained properly with the team.

Edited September 3, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

1 minute ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Pep has never selected a centre back or a goal keeper with less techicnal ability than Mudryk.

there's no away he gets a minute under Pep he'd have been sold this summer if Pep came in.

Chilly shouldn't be left wing but it isn't like he's keeping any quality wingers out the team and I'm sure Palmer will play once he's actually trained properly with the team.

That is such nonsense mate.

Mudryk was on an upward trajectory under De Zerbi with the latter singing praises of him. All it takes is a manager to have the time to develop him, which again goes into my point that this was a stupid move from both the club and players' part if we are going for such quick fixes vs having the guts to develop our attackers. 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

That is such nonsense mate.

Mudryk was on an upward trajectory under De Zerbi with the latter singing praises of him. All it takes is a manager to have the time to develop him, which again goes into my point that this was a stupid move from both the club and players' part if we are going for such quick fixes vs having the guts to develop our attackers. 

An upward trajectory in the Ukranian league? 

In the PL the level is so high you need a basic level of technique to play if you don't have it you can't be trusted on the pitch to get the time to develop and Mudryk doesn't have it which is why the 3 coaches he's had at this level haven't trusted him.

Agree it was a stupid signing.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Back 3 of McKenna, Worrall and Boly and couldn't score. 

Yes. And three pretty straightforward opportunities in the 6 yard box that Jackson flubbed. He runs, chases, links up very well. As with his air shot in the 6 yard box the other week, he needs to work on his composure and technique where it counts.