May 20May 20 33 minutes ago, just said:Saw the best of him last night. Came on with very little time left and hardly touched the ball. Helped us hugely in that respect. One of his better cameos.Apart from receiving the ball going backwards and passing it to a spurs player. If they had scored,it doesn’t bear thinking about!!!!
May 20May 20 39 minutes ago, just said:Saw the best of him last night. Came on with very little time left and hardly touched the ball. Helped us hugely in that respect. One of his better cameos.If that cameo was better from him, then we have to cash in. He was bang average for the standard this club deserves.
May 21May 21 Him and Delap really needs to go away next season if we want to be a serious club once again, shameless footballers. Edited May 21May 21 by DidierDrogbalala
May 28May 28 At last a good news rumour. Being realistic we need to lose the zero from the fee quoted then we might have a chance of this happening.Chelsea devise plan to offload Alejandro Garnacho as club name asking price https://share.google/lodtcBoIx81StWiMy Edited May 28May 28 by just
May 28May 28 17 minutes ago, just said:At last a good news rumour. Being realistic we need to lose the zero from the fee quoted then we might have a chance of this happening.Chelsea devise plan to offload Alejandro Garnacho as club name asking price https://share.google/lodtcBoIx81StWiMyCan we include in the package for free the SDs that chased him for months?
May 28May 28 Good luck getting £40m from Napoli or any Italian club for that matter. Same with clubs in South America.They will loan him out, get a small fee wait till his book value is next to nothing and sell him. May even show some sort of profit on the books.I actually don’t mind them doing side flips on players to make some money but whoever thought he was good enough for our first team needs sacking. I don’t know a single person who thought he would improve us and here we are struggling to offload before we can attempt to actually buy some quality.George and Derry would have done better jobs this season.
May 31May 31 Apparently UTD have a 10% sell on. We really got pants on this deal, a player who wanted out and they were desperate to get rid of and we were the only ones interested. Do you think our directors get laughed out of boardrooms?
May 31May 31 32 minutes ago, C3blue said:Apparently UTD have a 10% sell on. We really got pants on this deal, a player who wanted out and they were desperate to get rid of and we were the only ones interested. Do you think our directors get laughed out of boardrooms?The amount of money we have given United for Sancho and Garnacho should get somebody sacked.
May 31May 31 I don’t care about the 10% sell on fee or how much money we get for him, can he just go please.I feel like what we’ve seen is what we’re going to get for the rest of his career, he’s not going to improve. I really don’t see any potential in him.Maybe Alonso will surprise us all but I highly doubt it. The sooner he’s gone the better, imo.
May 31May 31 He’s not the worst player to play for Chelsea but the season he’s had is definitely up there with the worst in my 40 years of support.He was so bad I genuinely felt sorry for him.
June 1Jun 1 On 28/05/2026 at 18:43, C3blue said:I don’t know a single person who thought he would improve us and here we are struggling to offload before we can attempt to actually buy some quality.Garnacho's signing is evidence of what @Bob stark has pointed out, that the only "data" that actually matters to our Five Fools are wages and ages. The idea that this club engages some sort of sophisicated scouting or 'moneyball' approach is an utter lie.Garnacho was statistically a bad fit. Even putting aside his actual output, which could be excused because of his age and Man U's poor overall performances, the SDs knew that Maresca's system needed wingers who could win 1vs1 for it to work. Garnacho was statistically one of the worst in Europe at this particularly metric. He is very good at one particular thing, which is running on to through-balls off the shoulder or on the counter-attack, but Maresca's system did not play that way. The comments earlier in this thread show that this is far from hindsight.What the Five Fools did see was:A young player coming from a big club, with both CL and PL experienceRelatively low wagesExploitable contract situation ie. player wanted out, so limited feeIn other words, they were looking purely at his resale value. I would bet my last dollar that every analyst at the club would have been knocking down Winstanley's door, only to be told that it would be "taken under advisement".What they didn't seen coming was Gittens and/or Neto being so abysmal that Garnacho needed to be the first choice for that position, meaning all his weaknesses were completely exposed and the team suffered. The plan would have been to see him average 10 G/A over a couple of seasons then hock him off at age 23, where he was young enough to be considered potential but would come with bags of PL experience. In essence he was another Madueke gambit, a squad player bought for around 30-40m who gets sold with a premium (in this case, being English + PL experience).I don't really hold any enmity for Garnacho, because what everyone said would happen did happen. The limited player performed exactly within his limitations, I can't blame him for that. It was Chelsea who decided to knowingly sign him.Actions have consequences - unless you're a sporting director at Chelsea, I suppose. Edited June 1Jun 1 by SydneyChelsea
June 1Jun 1 2 hours ago, 19seventyone said:He’s not the worst player to play for Chelsea but the season he’s had is definitely up there with the worst in my 40 years of support.He was so bad I genuinely felt sorry for him.Not sure this true. We had a playe two seasons ago who looked like he didn't belong on the field. Edited June 1Jun 1 by Bob stark
June 1Jun 1 I have said on many occasions I don’t mind ‘market opportunities’ , free transfers and players with doable buy out clauses in order to generate revenue for the club. As long as the first team is taken care of first. I look at Garnacho and think he’s not good enough for our first team, £40m seemed about double what I’d have paid under the circumstances especially if your hoping to flip him and why allow a sell on if selling him on was half in the plan. The list of clubs willing and able to do business on 1 player at £50m+ falls off a cliff.I also hear how we are lowering the wage bill, have a cap, big players won’t come but the minute we want to sell someone it’s hard because of their wages??
June 1Jun 1 6 hours ago, Bob stark said:Not sure this true. We had a playe two seasons ago who looked like he didn't belong on the field.Neto?
June 2Jun 2 16 hours ago, C3blue said:I have said on many occasions I don’t mind ‘market opportunities’ , free transfers and players with doable buy out clauses in order to generate revenue for the club.As long as the first team is taken care of first. I look at Garnacho and think he’s not good enough for our first team, £40m seemed about double what I’d have paid under the circumstances especially if your hoping to flip him and why allow a sell on if selling him on was half in the plan. The list of clubs willing and able to do business on 1 player at £50m+ falls off a cliff.I also hear how we are lowering the wage bill, have a cap, big players won’t come but the minute we want to sell someone it’s hard because of their wages??It is not about flipping or improving the team. You need to look at our transfer differently. We have free slot in winger position. Garnacho is 21 with 3 years exp in pl, cost 40 and his salary demand is probably reasonable plus his analytical number is very good. Does he improve the team? Do we need his profile? It does not matter.
June 2Jun 2 4 hours ago, Bob stark said:It is not about flipping or improving the team. You need to look at our transfer differently. We have free slot in winger position.Garnacho is 21 with 3 years exp in pl, cost 40 and his salary demand is probably reasonable plus his analytical number is very good.Does he improve the team? Do we need his profile? It does not matter.What numbers?
June 2Jun 2 1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:What numbers?Aha, it was the good old forward runs, he runs forward a lot, FPR-rate, and of course, the PG (progressive carries) stat, where you carry the ball for at least 10 meters. You put that in a spread sheet + PowerPoint and an agent can fool 80 IQ sporting directors who got their jobs on social politics and luck, to sign such a player. The eye test, i.e what those stats are actually producing for such player on the pitch, taken completely out of the equation of course.
June 2Jun 2 23 minutes ago, Term_X said:Aha, it was the good old forward runs, he runs forward a lot, FPR-rate, and of course, the PG (progressive carries) stat, where you carry the ball for at least 10 meters. You put that in a spread sheet + PowerPoint and an agent can fool 80 IQ sporting directors who got their jobs on social politics and luck, to sign such a player. The eye test, i.e what those stats are actually producing for such player on the pitch, taken completely out of the equation of course.I remember we were all discussing this last summer on how even on a data metric perspective, there was nothing positive about Garnacho. Maresca's football was also dependent on wingers being good 1 vs 1 given they are always isolated wide, and Garnacho's take on ability was among the worst in the league. Yet the directors prioritized signing Garnacho (for months) above players that could actually improve the team. They also signed Pedro Neto after failing to get Olise. Two players who are complete polar opposites ability wise. This just goes with @SydneyChelsea point that their whole data philosophy is a sham. It's a player trading pyramid scheme. This is why appointing Alonso was always going to be half the battle until we see something different.
June 3Jun 3 What a loser this guy is ... LOLhttps://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-15867691/Chelsea-star-Alejandro-Garnacho-shows-huge-new-Joker-tattoo-going-needle-sessions-cost-THOUSANDS.html
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