I have expressed my concerns that we are in danger of overplaying at times and trying to walk it in. But i'm sure the 3 amigo's themselves are crying out for someone to make a run even if its just to create space for them. 

I'd much rather share the goals around instead of over relying on a 40 goal a season front man and a center forward that can contribute all round is required. Someone who can join in the intricate passing, hold the ball up when needed to bring the 3 amigo's into the game. And can put the ball in the back of the net on a regular basis.

I'm not one of these people that mark a forward on goals alone, at the minute though Torres doesn't only fail to make the right runs or get into the right areas he hides. When his shoulders go down he stands and gets himself marked rather than miss another chance.

It must be just as frustrating for the 3 amigos to look up and see that as it is for us.

It is so frustrating watching someone who passes the ball well, has great assists but who's control lets him down time after time.

Fernando has scored some great goals too. I think he's such a good player at times but blows it too often. I wish I knew the answer.

He can go along way to earn some respect on Wednesday.

It is so frustrating watching someone who passes the ball well, has great assists but who's control lets him down time after time.

Fernando has scored some great goals too. I think he's such a good player at times but blows it too often. I wish I knew the answer.

He can go along way to earn some respect on Wednesday.

 

I don't like to bash him either because there isn't really much of a point to it but he really needs to go.  That should be a priority this summer.  He's costing a fortune in wages, must be breeding resentment in the squad (Ba can't be amused with forced rotation with no basis in merit) and he's actually stifling our other options.  Ba's goal scoring form has plummeted since coming here, and that's because he's forcibly rotated with Torres no matter the circumstances.

 

Lukaku could have been kept here this season and I guarantee he'd have done more for us and developed a lot in the process.  The fact is, he's being kept out of the squad because Torres is here - and Torres, for some absurd reason, appears to be the first "Untouchable" since Mou's days.  RDM was sacked after dropping him in favour of Hazard as a false 9; and at least he had the stones to tell the board flat out that his presence is literally hurting the team and he'd rather play without a striker at all.  And it is.  It's so frustrating to see him run around without actually making any threatening runs, and to miscontrol beautiful passes to completely break down attack after attack.  I'm so tired of watching it.

 

To his credit, he makes the occasional good pass or assist - but he's not there for that.  We already have the two best players in the league for that.  He's there to score goals.  He's there to pull defenders around. He's there to hold up the ball, to dart off the last man, to fling himself into the box and attack crosses - and he does none of this.  If he actually controls a pass he typically dribbles in front of a defender for a bit, loses the ball, falls down like a house of cards and moans on the floor for not winning a bogus free kick.   

 

I'm just tired of watching this over and over and over.  I'm tired of watching everyone else in the team work so hard to carry him and this has been going on since he arrived.  Its been excuse after excuse.  I accepted the excuses for a year, but enough is enough.  Everyone else is making it work, the problem is him.  He's just not a very good footballer any more and he needs to go.  I will be hugely disappointed if he's still here next season, but if Jose is our manager I think he'll just leave him in the reserves until we can ship him out. 

There are rumours that Lukaku is to spend another season out on loan - what horrible news; surely we're not going to have another season of Torres?

There are rumours that Lukaku is to spend another season out on loan - what horrible news; surely we're not going to have another season of Torres?

 

It looks that way, it will be Torres, Ba and someone else. I am actually fine with Lukaku going on loan again, i still don't think he is ready for Chelsea and if he did come back next season he would still find his chances limited.

There are rumours that Lukaku is to spend another season out on loan - what horrible news; surely we're not going to have another season of Torres?

Yep. And he'll make damn sure he's still number one, too. I'd put money on it.

surely we're not going to have another season of Torres?

 

Don't you think he deserves a fair crack ?

Just went back and read page 1, same old arguements, just 300 pages later!

Don't you think he deserves a fair crack ?

 

if we give him one more year then thats irrefutable proof he has chelseas full backing and he will come good

 

he was just waiting to see if we deserve him

 

torres for golden boot 2013/14. thats a lock

Edited May 13, 201313 yr by Lane

Funny how Ba has an equally poor record so far but he gets a pass. Seems like Torres is the only one that plays with Mata, Hazard and Oscar.

Anyone but Torres obviously. And how does Torres have a huge ego, he's one of the most selfless players to play for the club in recent years.

Slag off the player all you want but don't tarnish his reputation/character.

At the end of the day, Torres was the best striker in the World at one point. We're the idiots that payed for a player who suffered a major injury and a huge decline in form. We didnt learn from Sheva and with the worrying links to Rooney it seems we haven't learned from the Torres signing either.

He's a funny player. He does mostly come across as down to earth and polite etc but then he has moments where he does have a huge ego. Like when he said after the CL win 'i didn't come to Chelsea to sit on the bench. I am a European and World Champion and i deserve some respect.' i thought that was a bit w***er-ish really.

Plus my family are all Liverpool supporters and as glad as i was we were signing him his treatment of their fans and the club at the end was disgraceful. Will he do the same to us?

I don't like to bash him either because there isn't really much of a point to it but he really needs to go.  That should be a priority this summer.  He's costing a fortune in wages, must be breeding resentment in the squad (Ba can't be amused with forced rotation with no basis in merit) and he's actually stifling our other options.  Ba's goal scoring form has plummeted since coming here, and that's because he's forcibly rotated with Torres no matter the circumstances.

 

Lukaku could have been kept here this season and I guarantee he'd have done more for us and developed a lot in the process.  The fact is, he's being kept out of the squad because Torres is here - and Torres, for some absurd reason, appears to be the first "Untouchable" since Mou's days.  RDM was sacked after dropping him in favour of Hazard as a false 9; and at least he had the stones to tell the board flat out that his presence is literally hurting the team and he'd rather play without a striker at all.  And it is.  It's so frustrating to see him run around without actually making any threatening runs, and to miscontrol beautiful passes to completely break down attack after attack.  I'm so tired of watching it.

 

To his credit, he makes the occasional good pass or assist - but he's not there for that.  We already have the two best players in the league for that.  He's there to score goals.  He's there to pull defenders around. He's there to hold up the ball, to dart off the last man, to fling himself into the box and attack crosses - and he does none of this.  If he actually controls a pass he typically dribbles in front of a defender for a bit, loses the ball, falls down like a house of cards and moans on the floor for not winning a bogus free kick.   

 

I'm just tired of watching this over and over and over.  I'm tired of watching everyone else in the team work so hard to carry him and this has been going on since he arrived.  Its been excuse after excuse.  I accepted the excuses for a year, but enough is enough.  Everyone else is making it work, the problem is him.  He's just not a very good footballer any more and he needs to go.  I will be hugely disappointed if he's still here next season, but if Jose is our manager I think he'll just leave him in the reserves until we can ship him out. 

 

Wonderful post Castiel. Agree with every word.

 

I really cannot believe that anyone is seriously blaming the service and creativity provided by Hazard/Oscar/Mata. Put RVP, Aguerro, Suarez and, yes, even young Mr Sturridge, at centre-forward in place of Torres and they would all make and score more goals than he. They would achieve that through their superior positional play, anticipation, movement, ball control and striker's instinct.

 

Of course I hope Torres plays well and manages to score tomorrow night, but it won't change the overall judgement of him in the slightest. However, it may help get his name back in lights and a attract potential buyer. With the immenient departure of the FSW and, hopefully, the return of Jose, we will have a Torres-free future sooner rather than later I think.

Plus my family are all Liverpool supporters and as glad as i was we were signing him his treatment of their fans and the club at the end was disgraceful. Will he do the same to us?

I have no doubts that he will. He'll probably blame the fans for not backing him, atmosphere of the club, wasn't loved like he was a Liverpool...

Blah blah blah.

If Torres isn't up to scratch then I have a hard time seeing Mourinho putting up with him. If theres one thing Mou doesn't tolerate, it's under-performing players. If he has the balls to drop Casillas then I don't see a problem. If Torres stays for next season, then I'm 100% sure it will be his last. Just one more year and a few million pounds wasted in wages until he goes IMO.

*Ding Ding Ding*

 

300 pages. That's quite an achievement.

 

We all deserve some hearty congratulations and a round of high-fives.

*Ding Ding Ding*

 

300 pages. That's quite an achievement.

 

We all deserve some hearty congratulations and a round of high-fives.

 

Nearly 6000 comments which is roughly the amount of time in minutes since Torres last scored. 

Edited May 14, 201313 yr by ForeverCarefree

*Ding Ding Ding*

 

300 pages. That's quite an achievement.

 

We all deserve some hearty congratulations and a round of high-fives.

Yes, high-fives to the face...

Funny how Ba has an equally poor record so far but he gets a pass. 

At the end of the day, Torres was the best striker in the World at one point. We're the idiots that payed for a player who suffered a major injury and a huge decline in form. We didnt learn from Sheva and with the worrying links to Rooney it seems we haven't learned from the Torres signing either.

Ba gets more of a pass because he didnt come to us with the hope of being a world beater Torres did.

And you cant learn about Torres from Sheva no more than you can Rooney from Torres, i honestly think we have some sort of centre forward curse at Chelsea, and come to think of it im sure i read something about the original owner of Stamford Bridge being cursed and bitten by a dog..... The plot thickens.

Funny how Ba has an equally poor record so far but he gets a pass.

 

Not funny for four reasons ..

 

1. Ba's record is far superior, both in the Prem and the big clashes against the big teams (obviously we can't compare performances on Thursday nights against European minnows because Ba is ineligible).

 

2. Ba hasn't been with us two and a half years.

 

3. The club hasn't gone out of its way to accommodate Torres and comply with his every whim.

 

4. I haven't got a fourth reason. I was only joking.

 

as they say in my country: for a faulty cock, every hair is a problem

 

 

 

You come from the 70's ?

 

Funny how Ba has an equally poor record so far but he gets a pass. Seems like Torres is the only one that plays with Mata, Hazard and Oscar.

 

 

Ba didn't score in his first 14 matches at the club?

You come from the 70's ?

 

 

im not sure i got that

its simple if falcao is worth 50 million. give them 50 million and torres and they might take him?

its simple if falcao is worth 50 million. give them 50 million and torres and they might take him?

Giving them 50 million plus Torres is equivalent to giving them 30 million without him.