I need popcorn! Who would have thought a thread on Willian could provide such entertainment!

25 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

please grace me with your almighty knowledge that you seem to hold. The word of Yorkley is always correct. Please master, bring me into the light. 

My opinion is right a lot more than you good sir.

Pay no attention, his opinions usually stink and are very wrong.

Im team #RIPMourinho

15 minutes ago, Valerie said:

I need popcorn! Who would have thought a thread on Willian could provide such entertainment!

Fuck this, I am going fishing!!!

Can only hope Hakim plays when he does so we can avoid the hum drum of every corner hitting the first man...

 

I guess it makes sense in that it could mean Hakim, Werner, Pulisic, Willian, mount as our "wide forwards" and CHO goes out on loan.

11 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Can only hope Hakim plays when he does so we can avoid the hum drum of every corner hitting the first man...

 

I guess it makes sense in that it could mean Hakim, Werner, Pulisic, Willian, mount as our "wide forwards" and CHO goes out on loan.

I think Werner will be used as a CF and Mount as a Number 8 Predominantly next season, this would mean CHO & Pulisic will be the options on the left and Ziyech & Willian on the right.

2 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

I think Werner will be used as a CF and Mount as a Number 8 Predominantly next season, this would mean CHO & Pulisic will be the options on the left and Ziyech & Willian on the right.

Could be, Kai may well be the number 8 though. Giroud will have something to say about the CF spot.

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Could be, Kai may well be the number 8 though. Giroud will have something to say about the CF spot.

During a recent interview Werner stated that the discussion with Frank was mainly around the CF role rather than on the wing so therefore I think Werner will be competing with Giroud and Tammy for that slot however I am sure he will fill in on the left if required.

In regards to Kai he was asked about his favorite position considering he has played all over the front line and like you suggested he said Central mid on the right, if Lampard is looking to play 4-3-3 next season I can see him playing a midfield of Mount- Kovacic- Kai (If he were to sign), in addition if he were to favour 4-2-3-1 than I can see Mount playing that role behind the striker with Kova and Kai taking the midfield mantle.

In summary there are a lot of ways Lampard can setup with high quality options but this may also mean that time may be up for 2 of the following 3: Kante, Barkley & Jorginho.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

please grace me with your almighty knowledge that you seem to hold. The word of Yorkley is always correct. Please master, bring me into the light. 

My opinion is right a lot more than you good sir.

Well, in the first place, it's not always necessary to play fingers for strings, though that can in some cases be the simplest, at least for the beginner.  Sliding into a note is usually easier using 2nd and 3rd position fingering and a thumb-fret for blocked F and Bb shapes will take some practice but will be well worth it when you want to play the classics, particularly the fast part of the Theme from Jaws.

There you go, young grasshopper, now all you need is a cello.  Oh, and some talent.  And enthusiasm.  And time.  And some sheet music.

 

(don't take everything to heart so much, petal!)

Kante/Gilmour/Rice?
Kovacic/Mount
Havertz/RLC

Pulisic / CHO
Werner / Tammy / Giroud
Ziyech / Willian

That's how I see our front 6 lining up next year. 

 

I am team - let's see Willian go to Arsenal and see him wind up their fan base. However I am happy to keep him around as a squad player. 

Edited July 27, 20205 yr by bisright1

How has this topic managed to descend in to Yorkers talking about fingering? 

I would be delighted him staying for another 3 years love the guy

Mixed feelings about this one.  Great player over the years; always gives everything and adds much needed experience.  With many games next season we'll need a deep, quality squad as well, so surely Willian signing would only help.

However, where I struggle is his lack of product.  Simply put 37 goals in 234 PL games is not enough output for a winger - that is 1 goal every 6.3 games.  Assume 8-10 of those are dead balls, and that drops to 1 goal every 9 games.  That is not enough for me.  Compare to Mason Mount, who's first season in the PL recorded 7 goals, a tally only exceeded by Willian in 2 of 7 seasons.  Numbers don't lie.  Also think he slows down our play too much at times.

 

5 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

Mixed feelings about this one.  Great player over the years; always gives everything and adds much needed experience.  With many games next season we'll need a deep, quality squad as well, so surely Willian signing would only help.

However, where I struggle is his lack of product.  Simply put 37 goals in 234 PL games is not enough output for a winger - that is 1 goal every 6.3 games.  Assume 8-10 of those are dead balls, and that drops to 1 goal every 9 games.  That is not enough for me.  Compare to Mason Mount, who's first season in the PL recorded 7 goals, a tally only exceeded by Willian in 2 of 7 seasons.  Numbers don't lie.  Also think he slows down our play too much at times.

 

Never been a fan of him, he's had some good moments but mostly nothing, the sulking and arm waving and trotting around really pissed me off. To give him a three year contract on over 100k a week is utterly ridiculous. We should have sold him when we could.

14 hours ago, Munkworth said:

How has this topic managed to descend in to Yorkers talking about fingering? 

Makes more logical sense than most of the posts about the player, to be honest.

These think he could be going to Arsenal, I thought it might be West Ham yet seems Arsenal with the link up with Luiz looks the favourite.

https://www.football365.com/news/chelsea-willian-complete-free-transfer-arsenal

 

23 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

These think he could be going to Arsenal, I thought it might be West Ham yet seems Arsenal with the link up with Luiz looks the favourite.

https://www.football365.com/news/chelsea-willian-complete-free-transfer-arsenal

 

Thats what I've read Strider6003,and apparently Frank has to decide whether he plays in the cup final,as he could be an arsenal player after it.

On 27/07/2020 at 15:56, Imran_CFC said:

During a recent interview Werner stated that the discussion with Frank was mainly around the CF role rather than on the wing so therefore I think Werner will be competing with Giroud and Tammy for that slot however I am sure he will fill in on the left if required.

In regards to Kai he was asked about his favorite position considering he has played all over the front line and like you suggested he said Central mid on the right, if Lampard is looking to play 4-3-3 next season I can see him playing a midfield of Mount- Kovacic- Kai (If he were to sign), in addition if he were to favour 4-2-3-1 than I can see Mount playing that role behind the striker with Kova and Kai taking the midfield mantle.

In summary there are a lot of ways Lampard can setup with high quality options but this may also mean that time may be up for 2 of the following 3: Kante, Barkley & Jorginho.

Mount doesn't have the creativity to be number 10 and would be terrible to put him there over Kai. In a 4231 Mount would perform much better deeper and Kai would be much better as the 10

4 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Mount doesn't have the creativity to be number 10 and would be terrible to put him there over Kai. In a 4231 Mount would perform much better deeper and Kai would be much better as the 10

I dont think Mount can work in a midfield 2 due to his natural inclination of pressing on the front foot, I recently saw a average positional map and Mount has been operating as our furthest forward player. Purely looking at that you would assume thats our striker, I feel playing Mount in a Midfield 2 would leave the other player highly isolated. 

I agree Kai could be played further forward behind the striker but in that case I would drop Mount and partner Kova with Kante, however if both Kai and Mount were to play together I would either play a 3 man midfield or have Kai in the midfield 2 as opposed to Mount.

1 minute ago, Imran_CFC said:

I dont think Mount can work in a midfield 2 due to his natural inclination of pressing on the front foot, I recently saw a average positional map and Mount has been operating as our furthest forward player. Purely looking at that you would assume thats our striker, I feel playing Mount in a Midfield 2 would leave the other player highly isolated. 

I agree Kai could be played further forward behind the striker but in that case I would drop Mount and partner Kova with Kante, however if both Kai and Mount were to play together I would either play a 3 man midfield or have Kai in the midfield 2 as opposed to Mount.

That won't be because he's incapable, it will be because he's been asked to do that. He played deeper at derby for a time if I remember correctly. 

Willian and Mount play more than any other player for one reason, they listen to what the manager tells them to do and do it. 

8 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

That won't be because he's incapable, it will be because he's been asked to do that. He played deeper at derby for a time if I remember correctly. 

Willian and Mount play more than any other player for one reason, they listen to what the manager tells them to do and do it. 

I agree however playing him as a midfield 2 would go against his strengths he tends to commit to the press which requires positional flexibility and playing in a midfield 2 would restrict him from doing that because operating as a shield for the defense requires more positional awareness which hopefully he will develop with experience.

In addition we have having better options available to fulfill that role such as Kova, Kante, Jorginho & Billy and in my opinion Kai would be better in that role too if we were to sign him.

25 minutes ago, Imran_CFC said:

I agree however playing him as a midfield 2 would go against his strengths he tends to commit to the press which requires positional flexibility and playing in a midfield 2 would restrict him from doing that because operating as a shield for the defense requires more positional awareness which hopefully he will develop with experience.

In addition we have having better options available to fulfill that role such as Kova, Kante, Jorginho & Billy and in my opinion Kai would be better in that role too if we were to sign him.

I agree with that.

I don't think he will ever be in a 2 with Havertz. We will always play a 3 with kante / billy / jorginho at the base and then two of mount / havertz / rlc/ kova like you say. 

I anticipate when we play 2, it will be mount/havertz alongside one of those players. 

People get very hung up on who is in the first XI. we are competing on 4 fronts across a shortened season, our 12th-15th best players will get a lot of games.

10 hours ago, bisright1 said:

That won't be because he's incapable, it will be because he's been asked to do that. He played deeper at derby for a time if I remember correctly. 

Willian and Mount play more than any other player for one reason, they listen to what the manager tells them to do and do it. 

Spot on. The idea that the purchase of Havertz will come at the expense of Mount in the starting lineup suggests someone who doesn't watch us closely without the ball. Mount is comfortably our best presser. He leads the press, often stepping out next to the striker to make a 4-4-2. As you say he does this because he has been instructed to and he has done it well. Very close to our player of the year in my book. Kovacic is a good player but he can't play that role. 

The Barkley, Mount, Kante 4-3-3 we saw a few weeks back will be the prototype for next season. 

I disagree with what a few have said about Mount being the most attacking midfielder with Havertz to stay in midfield. That is never going to happen, Havertz loves going forward and grab an assist or a goal, he is more of an attacking midfielder than central midfielder. Mount can be our box to box midfielder, doing all the pressing which he is excellent at and Havertz can have the free roam.

Now, this could be under scrutiny but I'd have Kovacic as our holding midfielder. He's good at sweeping up counter attacks even though not as good as Kante, he still offers a lot more going forward. Before you mention his assists or goals, that's not his job. His job is to break the press and then everybody else can do the rest.

Now, imagine the fluidity between Kovacic, Havertz and Mount. My god.

I’ve been pretty consistent on Willian since this started, I want him to go - purely because I don’t think he has the right attitude when he’s not a regular in the team. His behaviour in Contes second season really irked me & the petulance of his Instagram post is what I would expect of a teenager left out of a cup final team not a 30 year old professional.

 

His style of play isn’t particularly my cup of tea most of the time because his end product is woeful but in big games I think he is usually one of our best performers because he works so hard. He can carry the ball extremely well which in big games we sometimes need just to relieve the pressure sometimes. 
 

If he gets his head down and understands he’s not first choice anymore and will be a squad player then I’m all for saving the money of a replacement and re-signing him. I’m just not convinced that he will settle for that.

I feel like this season especially players will just trot by him and he won’t even bother to get back on defense resulting is goals or giving the ball away in super dangerous places. If he doesn’t want 2 more years on Chelsea’s terms, adios Willy.