Ye have to admit i honestly feel gutted for him,so how must he feel

Sergio Roberto, who is a massive talent , has only this season started regularly for Barca.....He is 23 years old.

 

Unless you take the world by the short-hair you are not going to be a starter for a title-chasing team as a young player.

RLC is very promising, but nothing that he has done says he should be a secure starter/bench-player at Chelsea.

 

Kennedy came in as a relatively unknown, shows "weight" on the pitch, and has played as much or more than Zouma did the first half of the last season. 

 

I have seen RLC in a lot of matches the last year, but a consistent performer he is not.

Sergio Roberto, who is a massive talent , has only this season started regularly for Barca.....He is 23 years old.

 

Unless you take the world by the short-hair you are not going to be a starter for a title-chasing team as a young player.

RLC is very promising, but nothing that he has done says he should be a secure starter/bench-player at Chelsea.

 

Kennedy came in as a relatively unknown, shows "weight" on the pitch, and has played as much or more than Zouma did the first half of the last season. 

 

I have seen RLC in a lot of matches the last year, but a consistent performer he is not.

Sergio Roberto had the world's best midfield to try and break into as well as other better youngsters like Thiago in front of him. RLC has Mikel and Ramires. 

Yeah, a midfield who was by far the best in the league last year. He is 19, 18 last season. Unless you are Messi youre not going to get regular time at a top club at that age.

I have seen RLC been dominated by plenty of midfields this year alone. When england u-21 (incredibly lucky) won 1-0 against Norway away, he was eaten up alive by the norwegian midfield. And in the u-23 championship he was nowhere to be seen.

Yeah, a midfield who was by far the best in the league last year. He is 19, 18 last season. Unless you are Messi youre not going to get regular time at a top club at that age.

I have seen RLC been dominated by plenty of midfields this year alone. When england u-21 (incredibly lucky) won 1-0 against Norway away, he was eaten up alive by the norwegian midfield. And in the u-23 championship he was nowhere to be seen.

I was highlighting the fault with your example, not your conclusion.

 

I don't think RLC should be playing regularly yet, unless he performs superbly in the chances he gets, but he should have at least gotten more games than he currently has. 

Having watched him v the Swiss U21s he has a long way to go yet. Would have no qualms if we sign Pogba and he subsequently leaves.

I was highlighting the fault with your example, not your conclusion.

 

I don't think RLC should be playing regularly yet, unless he performs superbly in the chances he gets, but he should have at least gotten more games than he currently has. 

My example has, in the last two years, been competing with a highly competent midfield - who was paper-thin in depht. RLC competed against a similar midfield last year who was not far from Barca's in depth and strengh, but lo and behold - s.roberto gets minutes as a four year older player....Is there really much to complain about?

At the three top teams in the four best leagues in the world, how many under-19 players get regular playing time?

Edited November 22, 201510 yr by nazario

Out of  Barca, Real, Juve, Bayern and PSG the only player to get league game time this season that was under the age of 20 is JEAN-KÉVIN AUGUSTIN for PSG who is 18 and has amassed 102 minutes.
Barca have a couple of 20 year olds, Bayern and PSG also have a 20 year old who all has appeared in league games.

Man city have Iheanacho who at 19 has amassed 126 BPL this season.
Man U have Perreria who has 11 minutes, Matial 655 minutes bought for huge money and Wilson with 8 minutes all of which are 19
Arsenal and spurs have no players U20
WE on the other hand have given minutes to RLC 62 and Kenedy 178

So other than Man U who spent what £50m on Matial we have given the most minutes to teenagers.
and this season Matial is the only teenager to rack up big minutes at a big club.  
 

Edited November 22, 201510 yr by PedroMendez

Out of  Barca, Real, Juve, Bayern and PSG the only player to get league game time this season that was under the age of 20 is JEAN-KÉVIN AUGUSTIN for PSG who is 18 and has amassed 102 minutes.

Barca have a couple of 20 year olds, Bayern and PSG also have a 20 year old who all has appeared in league games.

Man city have Iheanacho who at 19 has amassed 126 BPL this season.

Man U have Perreria who has 11 minutes, Matial 655 minutes bought for huge money and Wilson with 8 minutes all of which are 19

Arsenal and spurs have no players U20

WE on the other hand have given minutes to RLC 62 and Kenedy 178

So other than Man U who spent what £50m on Matial we have given the most minutes to teenagers.

and this season Matial is the only teenager to rack up big minutes at a big club.  

 

Spurs have Dele Alli (19) and are slowly bedding in 18 year old Josh Onomah.

Edited November 23, 201510 yr by Sweech

Woops didn't mean to add spurs, they also have Bentaleb who's only 20.
But I think this highlights the point being made further showing how the pressure of competing to be the best takes tends to inhibit the introduction of youth prospects and they will tend to only get a look in further along there development where as clubs like Tottenham who don't have to be as competitive get the patience and leeway that allow them the ability to bed in youth.

Woops didn't mean to add spurs, they also have Bentaleb who's only 20.

But I think this highlights the point being made further showing how the pressure of competing to be the best takes tends to inhibit the introduction of youth prospects and they will tend to only get a look in further along there development where as clubs like Tottenham who don't have to be as competitive get the patience and leeway that allow them the ability to bed in youth.

For sure. I do worry about how players like DaSilva and Solanke will develop without given proper chances though.

where as clubs like Tottenham who don't have to be as competitive get the patience and leeway that allow them the ability to bed in youth.

Gold

''Mourinho tells Ruben Loftus-Cheek to be more like Kurt Zouma''

 

 

Article here bij weaintgotnohistory:

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/11/24/9790296/mourinho-tells-ruben-loftus-cheek-to-be-more-like-kurt-zouma

''Mourinho tells Ruben Loftus-Cheek to be more like Kurt Zouma''

 

 

Article here bij weaintgotnohistory:

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/11/24/9790296/mourinho-tells-ruben-loftus-cheek-to-be-more-like-kurt-zouma

 

 

What, he needs to bulk up a bit more? We do love a big unit at CFC.

What, he needs to bulk up a bit more? We do love a big unit at CFC.

No.

It's more about making the most of your chances when you do get a chance to play like Kurt did last season.

I think it's more a testament to Zouma than anything else, last season as champions with the best defence in the league a young Zouma made enough strides to get into that side a fair amount of times.

I like RLC but when he is playing I don't see too much from him that convinces me he should be starting, then again I haven't seen much from Matic, Cesc, Ramires or Mikel either to tell me the same.

No.

It's more about making the most of your chances when you do get a chance to play like Kurt did last season.

I think it's more a testament to Zouma than anything else, last season as champions with the best defence in the league a young Zouma made enough strides to get into that side a fair amount of times.

I like RLC but when he is playing I don't see too much from him that convinces me he should be starting, then again I haven't seen much from Matic, Cesc, Ramires or Mikel either to tell me the same.

 

I know and it was meant to be tongue in cheek.

 

 

Zouma has done well, but I feel it is a LOT harder for a player like RLC to break into the midfield - just as McEachran and Chalobah found before him. You need to be all things in the midfield - have everything Zouma has AND be creative too. Unless he get's more opportunities and is allowed to make mistakes along the way, the lad doesn't have a chance. Just give the lad more minutes Jose and stop bottling it and making excuses. IF he has a run of games and doesn't crack it, at least we can say we tried.

No.

It's more about making the most of your chances when you do get a chance to play like Kurt did last season.

 

Maybe Jose just wants RLC to be Happy.

Maybe Jose just wants RLC to be Happy.

 

I'm sure he could make him happy by playing him.

He has to earn that playing time.

We unfortunately mainly come at this issue from one side. We hear Jose talk about him and we see Jose keep him out of the team. Maybe Ruben is struggling to adjust to playing big boy football? Hes great at U21 level more often than not but once you no longer physically dominate your opposition things become more difficult.

Leaving him out of the subs entirely is a sign to me that he isnt ready for the league

Maybe Mourinho should play him more then so he can prove himself then. He was our best player in the first half against Aston Villa, then he was subbed and we haven't seen much of him since. It seem's like a pretty crappy way to treat a player to be honest.

 

I'm starting to think that Mourinho has really unreaslitc expectations when it comes to certain players. No player is going to gain any kind of confidence when they play 1 game and then get left out of the squad completely for 4 or 5 games.

 

It's even more annoying when others can play like sh*t for a bunch of games and they keep their spot. It's becoming more and more obvious that certain players are getting treated better than others.

Jose takes no risks - which is why no youth players will get a chance unless they are signed for mega money.

I keep saying that if Rubén wasn't English and come through our academy, he wouldn't be getting a look in.

@Chelsea_HQ: Mourinho: "Ruben is a very talented player, with ups and downs, he has had chances not many players at his age get in big clubs." [Guardian]

@Chelsea_HQ: Mourinho: "It’s easier to get chances in smaller clubs. At big clubs, not many players his age have the chances Ruben has had." [Guardian]

@Chelsea_HQ: Mourinho: "Sometimes young players can argue that the chances were not too many for them. Ruben's the last one who can complain." [Guardian]

@Chelsea_HQ: Mourinho: "Everything is in Ruben's hands. He even has Steve on the England coaching staff, so we know about his development." [Guardian]

@Chelsea_HQ: Mourinho: "Ruben is a player who we have lots of hope for but, sooner or later, he – him, not me – has to give one step forward." [Guardian]

@Chelsea_HQ: Mourinho: "In the first-team squad we have seven under-21 players who have 26 starts and 12 substitute appearances this season." [Guardian]

Takeaway is Ruben hasnt taken his chances. Not all chances are in game mind. He could very well be lost in training. Which would make sense with Jose saying its in his hands. I think we all know Jose has his players and if you want to he one you have to force your way in. Im on the boat with RLC but if he isnt giving the manager a reason to pick him then theres no amount of protesting I can do. You dont hand starts to players at this level based off potential. Lukaku and De Bruyne left for that reason.

Baba for example is probably on the cusp. A handful of performances like the one tonight and out goes Bran unless he picks up his form.

My only concern is that while some gentle criticism may help RLC get his head down and really dedicate himself, with his contract running out we should probably be trying to sweeten him up so we can tie him down for the next 5 years, THEN ride him like a show-pony until he is good enough.

Maybe

I think there's a couple of issues - one that Jose thinks he's poor defensively and secondly, RLC isn't showing enough in the games he's been given.

It could be that RLC has been trying to keep it simple but it has been interpreted as not showing enough. It's annoying because you can see he's talented.

It's an absolute cop out on Jose's part to say that he doesn't take his chances - regardless of what that means.  Jose has already identified that RLC is a massive talent and an exciting prospect, our youth and academy level coaches have done their jobs in helping Ruben fulfil his potential so far and get to the verge of the full team.  It's now up to the first team coaches and primarily Jose to help the kid take that next step and I doubt if it will happen watching from the stands every week.  He is still young and so if Jose feels that he's just not quite ready it wouldn't be a bad idea to tell people - starting with Ruben himself - what his plans are for the next two-three seasons.  It could be that Jose feels at for the first half of this season he wants Ruben training with the first team and trying to give him a few minutes here and there, second half of the season could be a loan move........etc.  But that's not what he's said previously and for that reason I think Jose/Chelsea is going to destroy a superb young talent.

 

On the subject of Zuma, I think comparisons are completely unfair, as others have said another team gave Zuma the chance to cut his teeth playing at a good level, we paid a lot of money for him and the integrated him into the team.  Totally different scenario.