1 minute ago, JM7 said:

In the players defence, you could see that the players were trying to implement the plan of the high press but City just tore them open. 

The players can rightly turn round to Sarri and say that that they are implementing the tactics. 

You could argue that they weren’t quite doing it as intensely needed but they were trying to implement it. 

It always looks so half hearted though. You get the odd game where you can see they really are trying to put things right, but then there is days like today where there isn't as much commitment and they just lose complete control when they make one mistake. There is just no excusing those mistakes today, those mistakes don't happen if the team were trying their best. Arsenal were like this for years under Wenger, they are still like it now.

10 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It always looks so half hearted though. You get the odd game where you can see they really are trying to put things right, but then there is days like today where there isn't as much commitment and they just lose complete control when they make one mistake. There is just no excusing those mistakes today, those mistakes don't happen if the team were trying their best. Arsenal were like this for years under Wenger, they are still like it now.

Yeah I agree. We’re not pressing - we just send players high up the pitch. There’s a massive difference between pressing and players playing high up. 

17 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Roman seems to have more distant involvement these days, partly because of his Visa issues. It feels more and more as though the club is run by a bunch of business people who have no idea about football.

yep 

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

Hello Brakeit

Hello noble warrior. You see now the thing i said years ago, magically happen, exactly as i said it will ?

 

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by loshlosh

Lose 4-0, win 5-0 then lose 6-0.

Our players show up when they want. They are used to getting there way and Roman needs to man up and do something about it.

Firstly, I hope we do not sack Sarri. 6v0 is a disgrace, but I think we actually did ok in parts today. We sack now and we are back to square 1.

Sarri has made mistakes and is a stubborn old mile, but My problem is not with the philosophy that Sarri is trying to implement or the idea of chasing what “his” football is. It is the lack of evolution and signs of change.

I am fine is finishing 6th, fine us losing the europa, carabao and fa cups. Hell, I would accept us losing every other game this season, if, and this is a big if, there were signs of progress.

motivation, lack of desire, fight, application- whatever it is called needs to be rooted out of this club. If that means benching the bad eggs and playing the kids then so be it, if it means selling hazard then so be it.  Players need to adapt and adjust to games. Bloody well dig in when needed and stay in games. And this bunch don’t seem able to.

whatever system we play, there will be times when we are under the cosh, but this bunch of players can’t hack it. They have not been able to hack it for the past couple of seasons.

Sarri needs to grow a pair. If Willian and hazard can’t press with hunger, desire and real urgency, then drop them. If alonso can’t cross , run or mark then Drop him . Ditto Azpilicueta,Luiz, Jorge, all of them. Let’s see some development and evolution instead of the same dross by the same cohort of players over and over and over again. 

Ktbffh

 

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Lose 4-0, win 5-0 then lose 6-0.

Our players show up when they want. They are used to getting there way and Roman needs to man up and do something about it.

Do what exactly? It's always the managers responsebility to get the players performing, if he can't you have to look at the manager.

People should have a look at Manchester United this season. That's what changing the manager can do for your squad and results.

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by Sindre

6 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Do what exactly? It's always the managers responsebility to get the players performing, if he can't you have to look at the manager.

People should have a look at Manchester United this season. That's what changing the manager can do for your squad and results.

And hire whom? Lamps, JT, Zola? Have a club legend chewed up and spat out by these same players like Robbie di Matteo was?

Just now, axman2526 said:

And hire whom? Lamps, JT, Zola? Have a club legend chewed up and spat out by these same players like Robbie di Matteo was?

No neither of those at this point. Laurent Blanc whom we were linked to in the summer should be an option now though.

Abramovich appointed Sarri because he wants to see the football Napoli played at Chelsea. It’s pretty clear that won’t happen this season, so there are two options:

1. Get rid of Sarri

2. Accept whatever happens this season & give Sarri the conditions he needs to do it next year

 

Saw this comment on twitter. Spot on I think. 

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

And hire whom? Lamps, JT, Zola? Have a club legend chewed up and spat out by these same players like Robbie di Matteo was?

Di Matteo was out of his depth (in the full time basis) and the same would be the case with Zola and Terry.

Lampard might be the one who could make it work especially if he has Jody by his side.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

It always looks so half hearted though. You get the odd game where you can see they really are trying to put things right, but then there is days like today where there isn't as much commitment and they just lose complete control

Pressing is really hard TBF. It's hard work. It's difficult to get right against players who are good on the ball and who pass quickly. 

Sarri knows that, and we actually invite the press ourselves, just like City did today. We drop deep, split the CBs, knock the ball about one touch at the back. We want teams to press us, because it leaves more space for us further up the pitch. If pressing always worked, our tactics wouldn't work. 

Also, two of our front 3 are Hazard and Higuain, and we're asking those guys to press from the front like they're Shane Long? Against City? That's, at the very least, risky. It played into City's hands, and I don't blame the players. 

At the same time, if this is what Sarri wants to do, no ifs ands or buts, then from his perspective he may as well do it regardless of whether it works in the short term, and wait for us to give him the right players to compete with City on those terms. The question is whether he'll be here long enough for that wait to pay off. I suspect not. 

28 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

And hire whom? Lamps, JT, Zola? Have a club legend chewed up and spat out by these same players like Robbie di Matteo was?

Personally would take JT or Lamps in a heartbeat. At least we’d see the youth integrated. I’d be delighted to see a core of young players, even if we get humped 6-0 & 4-0 at least it would be with our future in mind and developing our players. We’re getting shafted with these frankly embarrassing score lines anyway with seasoned professionals.

 

i know @yorkleyblue will disagree that everyone would be ok with it if it was our youth players but i 10000% would be less angry if it was,

 

get the likes of Luiz, Pedro, Willian, Alonso etc out the club. They’re not the future and they’re not good enough. You hear how much JT talks up Abraham, Lamps plays Mount constantly, wanted Ampadu.

 

Sarri won’t even play f**king CHO over Pedro & Willian, it’s ridiculous.

 

We have three options.

1. Back Sarri with hundreds of millions of pounds to get his philosophy and style of playing working with the correct players.

2. Sack the manager.

3. Stick with Sarri and the players not fit for the system and continue to have up and down results and accept getting in the top 4 will be a great season for us.

 

i’m fairly confident number 1 is not going to happen anytime soon on our boards watch (although it would be my preferred choice)  - so that leaves us option 2 or 3.

4 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Personally would take JT or Lamps in a heartbeat. At least we’d see the youth integrated. I’d be delighted to see a core of young players, even if we get humped 6-0 & 4-0 at least it would be with our future in mind and developing our players. We’re getting shafted with these frankly embarrassing score lines anyway with seasoned professionals.

 

i know @yorkleyblue will disagree that everyone would be ok with it if it was our youth players but i 10000% would be less angry if it was,

 

get the likes of Luiz, Pedro, Willian, Alonso etc out the club. They’re not the future and they’re not good enough. You hear how much JT talks up Abraham, Lamps plays Mount constantly, wanted Ampadu.

 

Sarri won’t even play f**king CHO over Pedro & Willian, it’s ridiculous.

 

We have three options.

1. Back Sarri with hundreds of millions of pounds to get his philosophy and style of playing working with the correct players.

2. Sack the manager.

3. Stick with Sarri and the players not fit for the system and continue to have up and down results and accept getting in the top 4 will be a great season for us.

 

i’m fairly confident number 1 is not going to happen anytime soon on our boards watch (although it would be my preferred choice)  - so that leaves us option 2 or 3.

If we sack the manager what are the options? 

Will a new manager not need money and players to implement his philosophy anyway? 

We have spent £400m in over the last 18 months, so we have clearly have money to spend, maybe it's just a case of spending 9n the right players. 

What guarantees are there that JT or Lampard would play the youth? Are the youth really good enough for us to get back to competing for titles? I doubt seeing a team with 3 or 4 academy players getting spanked 6 nil, would feel any better than it did today. 

Maybe sarri isn't the right manager, but the squad requires major surgery regardless of who is in charge.

I think it's quite simple, if you want to be the best team in the country, then bring in the best players, that's how liverpool have closed the gap. They bought van dijk and allison who would start in any team in the league. 

23 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Personally would take JT or Lamps in a heartbeat. At least we’d see the youth integrated. I’d be delighted to see a core of young players, even if we get humped 6-0 & 4-0 at least it would be with our future in mind and developing our players. We’re getting shafted with these frankly embarrassing score lines anyway with seasoned professionals.

Terry would be a disaster choice, he even admitted himself he's not ready for management and even if/when he is i'm not convinced he has the makings of a top one. Lamps however i do agree with and would hope we approach if Sarri leaves.

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

Terry would be a disaster choice, he even admitted himself he's not ready for management and even if/when he is i'm not convinced he has the makings of a top one. Lamps however i do agree with and would hope we approach if Sarri leaves.

Why would we hire Lampard? To sack him aside like trash within 6 months? No thanks.

If I were Lampard, I'd stay away as far as possible. 

The football manager type response I read sometimes really beggars believe

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Do what exactly? It's always the managers responsebility to get the players performing, if he can't you have to look at the manager. 

People should have a look at Manchester United this season. That's what changing the manager can do for your squad and results. 

Why should we look at someone else ?
Are we not the best example of how wrong is that. And how this is a temporary solution and will get worst and worst. Because we are not evolving, we are not getting better with time, we are getting worst.

When this cycles with managers starts. Mou has won 2 PL title, Roman decided to fired him, and the next three managers failed to deliver Pl title. We win PL title, 3 years after we sack Mou, and we win the title, because we get great manager as Ancelotti.

But we have three years without a PL trophy. Yet Mou go to Inter and in his first year won Serie A, then next year he won treble.

If Roman could not fired him, that very well could be us.

So you can`t come and tell me this non-stop changing managers system is a good in a long run. It work in short term, if you have the best team in the league and if you spend more then the others.

Otherwise this simply not work and will destroy the club.

Isn`t it obvious we are going down ? How many times we need to finish outside top 4 ? What is our best result in CL recently ?

People are saying changing managers works. It`s work only if you get the right one. And right now there isn`t such available.

Also people forget to mention about the failure i mention before. Because we get a succesfull manager like Ancelotti to bring us another PL title, we failed with 3 different manager.

So this is not working.

After Ancelotti, how many years we needed to win another PL title ? How many managers change we need for that ?

Again 3 different. Yeah someone can bring the CL title, but that was more of a luck and faith, not some sort of a plan that we have for winning it.

And how we won our next PL title ?
By appointing the manager, we should not fired at first place ....

Then we finished 10th, because of player power, bad decision on the marker, not wanting to adapt manager and so on.

And yet once again we was really lucky by picking the right manager, for the third time out of 10 or more probably.

Young manager with great vision of the game, we played great football, he was proven winner and prove to us that he is, by winning the title in his very first season. Yet our board manage to f*** all, and here we go again in the hunt of the next big manager.

But the problem is, year is not 2005 or 2010. It`s 2019.
Right now there is better team then us, we are lacking big time compare to them.

We are in very bad situation and it`s all because of impatient, bad decision and lack of football knowledge in our board. Yeah there maybe a good businessman, but their knowledge of football is lacking obviously.

 

The right example are Liverpool and Tottenham. if you want to do a competive team, without spending as much as the top side, you have to devolp and integrate youth, you have to make right transfers, which mean good scout and good bound between manager and director of football, and most importantly you need the right manager for the job and to give him plenty of time to do his work.

Both Pochettino and Klopp are successful, because they was given enough time to integrate the style they play and the football they want to see on the pitch, and everyone on the club knows they are the boss.

And the difference between the two and why Klopp really challenge for the title this year is because Liverpool decided to spend big and bring the players Klopp wanted.
And they decided to give more money, but buy quality, instead how they was before, less money - quanity.

Right now we are doing the second.

 

EdinburghBlue, we don`t see youth to the senior team, because we change coaches like a toilet paper. No one will put his head to devolop and integrate youth players, knowing few bad result can cost him the head. Also youth are not mentaly strong, so few result like this 4-0 6-0, may totally destroys them as a players.

Also in the next few years we MAY not have a good enough youth to integrate into the team. The reality is, very little of the youth became a good players, and 0.01 become top players.

Most of the youth develop and get better in lesser team. Expectation there is not as high and few bad performance, won`t ruin their career. Also they will get more time in there. And will be esay to shine with lesser players arround you.

So even if we appoint JT or Lampard, i`m 100% sure we still won`t see youth integrated.

For that you have to be angry at Abramovic for changing managers non-stop and every manager that come here, knows he have limited time and he work in a great stress.

Klopp, Guardiola, Pochetino, they can integrate, but they have stability in their team and know that if they fail to deliver, the owners won`t show them the back door.

 

 

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by loshlosh

I have two issues with Sarri as the manager.

1) His style of play relies heavily on players who have great close quarters ball control and high passing %.  It is clear to me that we have less than 5 of those types of players on the team.  However the one player that Sarri identified last summer for his team (Jorginho) has been absolute garbage.  I am wondering if the EPL is able to support a Sarriball type system.

2) As we've seen from previous managers our board fails epically to get the players in that they want.  How much B/S did we go through with the Sandro saga?  Do you really trust this board to get the players in a transfer window to fit with our manager?  

With that being said I think we need to get a manager in that can work with what we've got. 

TrueBlueSeaFC87, wasnt the Sarri that manager? People here swear he can work with what he have. That he doesn`t care about transfers and that he best was to improve his squad drastically.
I`m pretty sure 90% of the fanbase here was swear at this.

 

4 minutes ago, loshlosh said:

TrueBlueSeaFC87, wasnt the Sarri that manager? People here swear he can work with what he have. That he doesn`t care about transfers and that he best was to improve his squad drastically.
I`m pretty sure 90% of the fanbase here was swear at this.

 

So in that same way of thinking Sarri would be just as successful as Pep is at City?

I don't think there is ANY team in professional football that is currently Sarriball ready.  Maybe PSG

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by TrueBlueSeaFC87

 

So let us entertain the notion that we back the manager for a couple of years.  IF Sarri is actually having a difficult time motivating these players than we need an entire overhaul of our team.  Who do we keep and how in the world do we sign and entire team in one summer? 

 

 

 

Tactically just has no idea what he's doing. So many times this season I've watched our front 3 slowly press a back 4, allowing them to easily pass into the spaces they vacate, because the team is not pressing as a whole. So many times I've seen teams utterly cut us open through the middle, down the wings, in every position they possibly can. Time after time we see that this system is just not working against the good sides, but time after time he persists and changes nothing. In the space of a week we've broken our record for biggest ever PL defeat TWICE.

The man is a fraud and I want him and half the players out.

 

I find it extremely strange that you think Sarri has 'no idea' because the players aren't pressing properly, when he comes out and literally says the players aren't doing it the way he wants. For whatever reason you think this is the football he wants to play?!!!!

 

You call him a fraud but he's just a man with a philosophy (which the club hired him to implement) not suited to the players he has at his disposal and yet is still in the running to meet his season targets. There are frauds on the board - a structual fraud, fraud fans to go with that who similarly don't care about the long term success of the club, and I for one am tired of the yoyo-ing. I've enjoyed parts of our football this season more than I've ever enjoyed it under Conte. Sure a surprise title helped paper over the cracks but it seems that this is what some clueless fans want -

 

1. We've got the players suited to mediocre, counter-attacking football

 

2. Sack Sarri and employ someone who will boost/stabilise results all while playing uninspiring football.

 

3. The fans/board/press will tolerate this for a while because we'll sneak some decent results.

 

4. Hazard will absolutely leave because he doesn't want to play that football anymore.

 

5. Eventually the new manager will be under real pressure because now he's going through a bad patch AND playing sh*t football. Unacceptable. Sacked.

 

6. Rinse and repeat. And having no faith in managers and no long term plan will keep the youth at bay so we'll probably lose Mount along with CHO anyway.

 

 

5 hours ago, Mod Stark said:

Whether you support him, want to give him time etc etc We know this club and how it works and expect him to be gone very soon.

My own opinion is he's just not good enough for us.

You are right. He will be gone because this month is going to hurt. I expect elimination by United in the FA cup, defeat to city in the cup final and, at best, a draw against spurs. We should squeeze past malmo though elimination to them cannot be ruled out.

That happens Roman reacts. Though Sarri saying he never hears from Roman is a concern. He seems to be losing interest in us. The stadium project and his lack of attendance is worrisome.

My own opinion is too many good managers have been betrayed by these selfish players who only care about themselves and not the club, fans or manager.

The last manager that let them down was Ranieri against Monaco. He messed up and cost us the CL. Since then every single manger has had the players pull rank and get them dismissed bar 1, Grant, who showed a completely inept manager was one slip away from achieving something special despite his obvious flaws.

Sarri said in the Italian media this will be hard to come back from and he is right.

Guess we will see how much he board really wanted him and his football now.