1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Oh it is, IF he included the word black that is. If he called Sterling a "black c***" then he should be banned for life, if he called him a "manc c***" along with all of the other abuse he was giving out, then a suspension from attending football matches would be the right move. Racism crosses the line, a simple "I'm sorry" won't do. 

the thing is we don't know about "black", "manc" or whatever. the only certain thing is "c*nt" word. And my point and my personal problem with it was all these people claiming and celebrating bans for this particular offensive language. Is it ok, am I ok with it? - nope. But that's the reality. You can't ban people for being rude, abusive or genuinely stupid.  It is what it is. Some people just talk like that. With friends, with family... manners, what can you do? Ban people? How about chop their heads? 

What really got me upset is the way some people got predacious just because of that single word. the so called "tolerant" people get really intolerant when it comes down to a lot of insignificant stuff. Swearing is part of middle or lower class' way of communication. Just deal with it. 

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by Giordano_Bruno

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

if he called him a "manc c***" along with all of the other abuse he was giving out, then a suspension from attending football matches would be the right move. 

Are you really suggesting a banning order should be issued for calling someone a c**t? 

 

 

Some of the reasoning and attempted justification for these mens behaviour is exactly why incidents like this will continue and it's the standard response doesn't even surprise me.

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

What about the other thousands of people every Saturday 3PM, up and down the country who use that sort of language? Should they all be suspended? 

If I had my way, then yes, they would all be suspended. I don't mind banter and panto chanting, like the Willian song, but going mental like that isn't right. It makes people look like psycho's.

 

1 minute ago, Brutos said:

Some of the reasoning and attempted justification for these mens behaviour is exactly why incidents like this will continue and it's the standard response doesn't even surprise me.

I haven't seen anyone try and justify racial abuse here, or anywhere else? 

6 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

Are you really suggesting a banning order should be issued for calling someone a c**t? 

 

 

No, it's about context. Calling somebody a c**t is a bit different than continuously shouting a bunch of abuse in a players face. I just don't see the need for it. Like I said above, it makes people look like psycho's.

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by Scott Harris

Just now, Brutos said:

Some of the reasoning and attempted justification for these mens behaviour is exactly why incidents like this will continue and it's the standard response doesn't even surprise me.

So you suggest we skip reasoning process and just start banning people because someone is sensitive? 

Actually this has nothing to do with racism. Nobody is justifying this sort of behaviour. the really disturbing in the whole situation is how many people are keen to put a ban just because of one  insult. 

9 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

If I had my way, then yes, they would all be suspended. I don't mind banter and panto chanting, like the Willian song, but going mental like that isn't right. It makes people look like psycho's.

I think you should be banned for using the word "psycho". My grandpa was a sociopath and he was sent in concenration camp for mental sickness. 

Is this not the same criteria? 

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by Giordano_Bruno

One thing I have noticed about the gutter press over the past couple of days, is how conflicted they are over this incident. On the one hand, they really seem to want to keep highlighting this issue as the 'Chelsea racism against Sterling' story. But on the other hand, they know that if they keep this news at the forefront, they are also keeping the spotlight on themselves!

I work in this industry, and watching this lot squirm is amusing!

3 minutes ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

I think you should be banned for using the word "psycho". My grandpa was a sociopath and he was sent in concenration camp for mental sickness. 

Is this not the same criteria? 

Well, I'm sorry for your grandpa, but I stick by what I say. The way some fans all around the world shout non stop abuse at footballers isn't normal social behaviour.

We now have TV and Newspaper racism pundits who are getting paid handsomely to pass judgement via what amounts to a media remote Kangaroo court.

Pass judgement after an official investigation by the police with real evidence that a real crime has been committed and a successful prosecution.

Alan Shearer and company enjoy your financial rewards --- other may lose theirs!

The inimitable David Squires' take:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/dec/11/david-squires-on-the-mistreatment-of-raheem-sterling

4 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

It isn't though, is it.

Unless you are actually suggesting that if you have a certain skin colour you are more likely to be abusive at football?

Sigh. This is tedious. The man was white and middle-aged. Fact. 

And I suggested nothing of the sort. What I will say, is that at Chelsea games, most of our fans fit into that demographic. Anyone can be racist and abusive. 

Kudos to Sterling for not karate kicking that fan into kingdom come 

The fact that we need to talk about something like this is really the stupid part. 

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by evissy
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2 hours ago, Brutos said:

Some of the reasoning and attempted justification for these mens behaviour is exactly why incidents like this will continue and it's the standard response doesn't even surprise me.

Like I said earlier, chip on your shoulder clearly. 

Not one person here has justified racial abuse, everyone wants the man banned if he's guilty, but due process is important. 

It's no secret there is a witch hunt against Chelsea (some would say rightfully so with our history) whenever incidents like this arise. 

5 hours ago, Zeta said:

Did you say or do anything about it?

I didnt, no, it was the first Chelsea game i had taken my missus to, and she was terrified. I just made sure i got her away. 

5 hours ago, coco said:

What do you expect the other fans to do ? Shouting "were racist" isn't illegal. 

I see worse behaviour in city/town centres every weekend, and yet people don't bat an eyelid when it goes on.

I didnt expect them to do anything. But at the same time like i said in my post, its this disgusting behaviour that gives our club a bad name. 

Clearly you see no problem with people gloryfying they are racists, especially singing it with such pride amongst the rest of our fanbase, which is a shame really.

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by Oli

3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Well, I'm sorry for your grandpa, but I stick by what I say. The way some fans all around the world shout non stop abuse at footballers isn't normal social behaviour.

Is it a normal behaviour for a society that when a fan shouts at opposition players, he loses his job the next day because of it?

Yes or no

Punish the mean middle age man by taking away his job and put publicly all his info as just a hint that nobody should ever hire him again, because he didn't show normal social behaviour at one point during a football game.

Is that normal?

Yes or no

The thing is he even stated the seats they have, they are always on tv. And he knew he was going to be on tv when he did what he did. So as an employer, youre seeing him in front of millions of people screaming in another mans face, over what, football. Im sure racist or not, theres a lot of companies that would do the same. 

Im all for banter and even taking the mick during football games. But the way them four practically fell over the hoardings to scream.in his face, racist ir not, it was embarassing.

19 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Is it a normal behaviour for a society that when a fan shouts at opposition players, he loses his job the next day because of it?

Yes or no

Punish the mean middle age man by taking away his job and put publicly all his info as just a hint that nobody should ever hire him again, because he didn't show normal social behaviour at one point during a football game.

Is that normal?

Yes or no

No......but I don't remember saying he should have lost his job in first place, so I don't even know why you are directing this at me.

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by Scott Harris

43 minutes ago, Oli said:

 

Clearly you see no problem with people gloryfying they are racists,

I merely stated a fact, its not illegal to walk down a street shouting your'e racist.

Anyway did you ever think for one minute it sounds a bit daft ? People walking down the street exclaiming their racist, bit odd isn't it, sounds more like a bit of irony from some drunken fans aimed at people who think all Chelsea fans are racists.

15 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

No......but I don't remember saying he should have lost his job in first place, so I don't even know why you are directing this at me.

Well I know you didn't, you said that this stupid behaviour is not right and I agree, if you have at least half a brain you shouldn't allow yourself to behave like that in public and even less if you know it will be on cameras, it's just that I feel it's a bit exageratted to punish that fan the way it was done...ban all of them for life if they are racist and can't control themselves drunk or not, but why destroy their whole lives as well, these people are from a different time and yes it's 2018 so everyone should be nice but it's not "1984", yet...

14 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Well I know you didn't, you said that this stupid behaviour is not right and I agree, if you have at least half a brain you shouldn't allow yourself to behave like that in public and even less if you know it will be on cameras, it's just that I feel it's a bit exageratted to punish that fan the way it was done...ban all of them for life if they are racist and can't control themselves drunk or not, but why destroy their whole lives as well, these people are from a different time and yes it's 2018 so everyone should be nice but it's not "1984", yet...

I agree with this. Losing his job is ridiculous, the Daily Mail putting his house in the papers, basically begging people to seek him out, trial by social media, pundits and people in the media saying it's definitely racism without the investigation being concluded, it's not right. I don't agree with the his behaviour at the game and I would prefer it if football didn't have this, but if he didn't say anything racist, then this isn't any different than what we see every single week in the Premier League.

There is a certain big game coming up on Sunday, I wonder how people will react to Liverpool and United supporters, because it's very likely that we will be seeing a ton of abuse aimed at the players from the fans.

It is totally wrong that he should lose his job before this alleged offence has even been investigated.  I am not sure how legal it is to sack a member of staff for an incident occurring outside of the workplace.  The very most that might have been justified would have been suspension on full pay pending an investigation.

The notion of a life time ban seems Draconian.  People are sentenced to to life time in prison for murder, and are often released after ten years for good behaviour. 

Modern day of trial by social media and the so called 'influencers'. Just because Rio ' I could read lips' Ferdinard said it's no doubt racist, it is racist without a full on investigations. I'm pretty confused by Sterling's social media response, it's more of a generic response than confirm this guy said the sinister thing people wanted to believe.Giving out his personal information and encouraging vigilantes is almost criminal, the guy is already guilty without a proper investigations. Once his name is out, of course his employer is eager to cut him off, save money to pay older employee while keep the company name untarnished. Is it enough, will Rio bend his knee in the commentary box this weekend?