3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I saw that bellend, Dan Levene, making all kinds of claims about the disgusting racism from the Chelsea fans. Then all the actual match going fans i know there saying there was nothing outside of the usual. 

Levene has been on one since the City game going on about hearing racist chanting at every single Chelsea match but isn't responding to anyone asking what exactly he hears. 

He was Tweeting constantly during the match last night, claims to have heard racist singing but anyone who asked what chant/song he heard he hasn't answered. 

From what I can guess it's probably one of the songs about Spurs, maybe "The sh*t from Tottenham Hotspur went to Rome to see the Pope" or something like that? 

4 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Levene has been on one since the City game going on about hearing racist chanting at every single Chelsea match but isn't responding to anyone asking what exactly he hears. 

He was Tweeting constantly during the match last night, claims to have heard racist singing but anyone who asked what chant/song he heard he hasn't answered. 

From what I can guess it's probably one of the songs about Spurs, maybe "The sh*t from Tottenham Hotspur went to Rome to see the Pope" or something like that? 

I saw so many people asking him to record the chanting he was complaining about so we can name and shame the individuals and obviously he ignored them. He must be one of, if not the biggest bellend associated with our club.

 

Its maybe time our fans stopped obsessively singing about spurs (and using the y*d word), especially when we are not even f**king playing spurs. It's every single game.

You would think the fans would have a bit more sense when we are right in the spotlight and the media are dying to jump on us at every opportunity.

Its so bloody tiresome. FFS.

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I saw so many people asking him to record the chanting he was complaining about so we can name and shame the individuals and obviously he ignored them. He must be one of, if not the biggest bellend associated with our club.

I followed him for a short while on Twitter but he's so self righteous I had to stop. 

One of those who as soon as a player who isn't always in favour with fans (Willian/Cahill/Alonso) does anything slightly positive his first thought is to call out those fans. 

He's just boring and bangs on about the same things all the time. 

31 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Complains about political correctness and social justice warriors. 

Is offended by a tattoo. 

We're lucky to have him as a new member, a real catch 

Seen that there's a bit of upset on twitter because a Chelsea fan used the word poof at a player. Puff.. Really..

2 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Levene has been on one since the City game going on about hearing racist chanting at every single Chelsea match but isn't responding to anyone asking what exactly he hears. 

He was Tweeting constantly during the match last night, claims to have heard racist singing but anyone who asked what chant/song he heard he hasn't answered. 

From what I can guess it's probably one of the songs about Spurs, maybe "The sh*t from Tottenham Hotspur went to Rome to see the Pope" or something like that? 

Barcelona Real Madrid, Tottenham are a bunch of ...

Sorry in advance, Coco, but I can't hold it to myself - f**k the media, man. An away game, in Europe, everybody knows that brainless individuals from all around the world are free to visit the game and do whatever the feck they want to and they still found a way to twist this sh*t like it has something to do with the CFC and even made the club apologize for it. Ridiculous. 

Regarding the use of "y*d" - whether or not it's antisemitic depends on whether it's being used in a derogatory context or not. So when Tottenham fans sing "y*d army" it's not derogatory and not antisemitic. It's not that complicated.

I'm not sure what exactly our fans are supposed to have sung last night but assuming they used "y*d" in a derogatory way then will be interpreted as antisemitic, which would make it a really stupid thing to do in the current climate. I expect the fans would have meant it more in an anti-Tottenham way rather than antisemitic, especially considering our Jewish owner, but it's still completely idiotic.

21 minutes ago, bluedave said:

Regarding the use of "y*d" - whether or not it's antisemitic depends on whether it's being used in a derogatory context or not. So when Tottenham fans sing "y*d army" it's not derogatory and not antisemitic. It's not that complicated.

I'm not sure what exactly our fans are supposed to have sung last night but assuming they used "y*d" in a derogatory way then will be interpreted as antisemitic, which would make it a really stupid thing to do in the current climate. I expect the fans would have meant it more in an anti-Tottenham way rather than antisemitic, especially considering our Jewish owner, but it's still completely idiotic.

Totally agree bd, i just wish the attention was turned onto other clubs, that is if they really wanted to clean things up, atm it just feels like were being singled out. 

Here's an example, despite me being a sport nut and football fanatic, constantly debating footy sh*t, reading everyone's views, keeping right up to date with the latest footy news. But it wasn't until last weekend that i heard that a Tottenham fan had thrown a banana on the pitch. The only reason i heard was some of our fans on here pointing it out in comparison to this Sterling incident.

How can it be that i missed that ? It's the single worst case of racism i have heard of (eventually) happen in football in this country this century, but i only just heard about it.

Why wasn't a plethora of pundits twittering about that ?

What did Garth Crooks say about the banana incident ?

42 minutes ago, bluedave said:

 it's still completely idiotic.

All everyone needs to know.

9 minutes ago, coco said:

Totally agree bd, i just wish the attention was turned onto other clubs, that is if they really wanted to clean things up, atm it just feels like were being singled out. 

Here's an example, despite me being a sport nut and football fanatic, constantly debating footy sh*t, reading everyone's views, keeping right up to date with the latest footy news. But it wasn't until last weekend that i heard that a Tottenham fan had thrown a banana on the pitch. The only reason i heard was some of our fans on here pointing it out in comparison to this Sterling incident.

How can it be that i missed that ? It's the single worst case of racism i have heard of (eventually) happen in football in this country this century, but i only just heard about it.

Why wasn't a plethora of pundits twittering about that ?

What did Garth Crooks say about the banana incident ?

I also wait the backlash against pretty much every club singing "Chelsea Rent Boys" towards us....

18 minutes ago, coco said:

Totally agree bd, i just wish the attention was turned onto other clubs, that is if they really wanted to clean things up, atm it just feels like were being singled out. 

Here's an example, despite me being a sport nut and football fanatic, constantly debating footy sh*t, reading everyone's views, keeping right up to date with the latest footy news. But it wasn't until last weekend that i heard that a Tottenham fan had thrown a banana on the pitch. The only reason i heard was some of our fans on here pointing it out in comparison to this Sterling incident.

How can it be that i missed that ? It's the single worst case of racism i have heard of (eventually) happen in football in this country this century, but i only just heard about it.

Why wasn't a plethora of pundits twittering about that ?

What did Garth Crooks say about the banana incident ?

I think I read on here that the banana belonged to a fan that was at the game with his daughter, who had to eat it due to a medical condition, and the skin dropped down accidentally towards the pitch.

Is that is the case ( and it wasn’t a race incident), and similarly our man didn’t use the word black, will the media award the same publicity to their proved innocence as was to their assumed guilt?

There are parallels between the witch hunts we are witnessing now and McCarthyism in 50s America.

 

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1 hour ago, RichardCFC said:

Barcelona Real Madrid, Tottenham are a bunch of ...

w**kers

9 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I think I read on here that the banana belonged to a fan that was at the game with his daughter, who had to eat it due to a medical condition, and the skin dropped down accidentally towards the pitch.

 

 

Is that the excuse they used and it was accepted as true in the media?

6 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I think I read on here that the banana belonged to a fan that was at the game with his daughter, who had to eat it due to a medical condition, and the skin dropped down accidentally towards the pitch.

Is that is the case ( and it wasn’t a race incident), and similarly our man didn’t use the word black, will the media award the same publicity to their proved innocence as was to their assumed guilt?

There are parallels between the witch hunts we are witnessing now and McCarthyism in 50s America.

 

So no racial incident in both cases by the looks of it. So were not back in the 70s, or 80s 90s, its 2018 and pundits on twitter have the power to be judge and jury and ruin peoples lives.

6 minutes ago, Ewell CFC said:

I think I read on here that the banana belonged to a fan that was at the game with his daughter, who had to eat it due to a medical condition, and the skin dropped down accidentally towards the pitch.

Is that is the case ( and it wasn’t a race incident), and similarly our man didn’t use the word black, will the media award the same publicity to their proved innocence as was to their assumed guilt?

There are parallels between the witch hunts we are witnessing now and McCarthyism in 50s America.

 

I imagine it would be very difficult to accidentally 'drop' a banana skin 15ft above the heads of a bunch of celebrating Arsenal players.

I agree with Coco that it's weird the banana skin thing didn't receive anything like as much attention as the Sterling incident. The only thing I can think of is that we, like it or not, have a reputation going back decades for this kind of thing so it's easier for people to buy into the narrative of the racist Chelsea thug. Unfortunately I think there will be an element of our support who enjoy that reputation and will sing stupid chants on match days despite living relatively normal non-racist/antisemitic lives the rest of the week.

The word Y*d is used a lot by many fans, even Tottenham, but it's only derogatory in a certain context and in the context that Chelsea fans allegedly used it last night, it is. 

As someone said, you would think our fans would have some more sense. The spotlight is obviously on us now, and the media are going to report everything we do for the next few weeks because it's a juicy narrative, but either way, it's not acceptable. Antisemitism is something that has been growing rapidly in the last few years, and it's not even exclusive for just one of the political spectrums, there have been a few synagogues attacked in the West alone due to anti-semitic hatred so I can see why and how people are offended by this, particularly Jewish people. 

I really don't know what the take is on using Y*d anymore, but it's certainly not nice in the context our fans were using. We are going to have to cut this sh*t out, I understand the hypocrisy I do, I know if we say anything like "poof" we'll get hammered for it in the media, while other fans can call us rent boys whenever they want. But the fact is the chant was pretty offensive to a group of people. 

If Chelsea supporters are to be singled out then this is definitely a witch hunt. The banana incident is much worse than the Sterling incident, purely because with Sterling it is unproven, but the banana incident is an actual fact that happened, and yet it has been brushed under the carpet.

Did we see the media put a picture of the banana throwers house in the paper or on social media ?. NO... Did he lose his job ?.

If the Chelsea supporter is guilty then he deserves what is coming to him, but he doesn't deserve his life being ruined before he has been found guilty, and all racial incidents should be treated equally.

In regards to inappropriate chanting, it goes on at almost every match, in England and across Europe, so if Chelsea supporters are highlighted and condemned then so should every other group of supporters. I wonder how many times Arsenal supporters were shouting Y*d during their match with Spurs.

The incidents that have happened are unacceptable, however it is wrong to just target one club.  

 

1 hour ago, bluedave said:

Regarding the use of "y*d" - whether or not it's antisemitic depends on whether it's being used in a derogatory context or not. So when Tottenham fans sing "y*d army" it's not derogatory and not antisemitic. It's not that complicated.

I'm not sure what exactly our fans are supposed to have sung last night but assuming they used "y*d" in a derogatory way then will be interpreted as antisemitic, which would make it a really stupid thing to do in the current climate. I expect the fans would have meant it more in an anti-Tottenham way rather than antisemitic, especially considering our Jewish owner, but it's still completely idiotic.

I get your point, but whilst Tottenham fans (the vast majority of which are not Jewish) continue to refer to themselves as the "Y*d army" and associate themselves with the term (fondly or otherwise), then it will continue to be used in a footballing context.

Equally, if the powers that be allow 90,000 Tottenham fans (again, the majority of which are not Jewish) to shout the word "y*d" every home game, it doesn't really send the right message if you are trying to stop a couple of hundred fans using it in an away end, on the basis that it is unacceptable. I think it's very hard to draw lines as to when it is and isn't acceptable to use a word under such circumstances. Chelsea fans will always sing about Tottenham fans, and if Tottenham fans are allowed to refer to themselves as "Y*ds" then the inevitable is always going to happen.

The word in it's original form quite obviously has no place in football and in an ideal world it would have been eradicated long ago, but I think it's meaning and effectively it's definition has evolved.

I am all for it being stamped out of football in it's entirety to be honest, but I don't think that the way to do that is to turn a blind eye to 90,000 Tottenham fans using it on the basis that they use it affectionately.

I would also question whether a Jewish person who is genuinely offended by hearing the word would be comfortable with that either, and surely that is what matters here.

 

30 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

If Chelsea supporters are to be singled out then this is definitely a witch hunt. The banana incident is much worse than the Sterling incident, purely because with Sterling it is unproven, but the banana incident is an actual fact that happened, and yet it has been brushed under the carpet.

Did we see the media put a picture of the banana throwers house in the paper or on social media ?. NO... Did he lose his job ?.

If the Chelsea supporter is guilty then he deserves what is coming to him, but he doesn't deserve his life being ruined before he has been found guilty, and all racial incidents should be treated equally.

In regards to inappropriate chanting, it goes on at almost every match, in England and across Europe, so if Chelsea supporters are highlighted and condemned then so should every other group of supporters. I wonder how many times Arsenal supporters were shouting Y*d during their match with Spurs.

The incidents that have happened are unacceptable, however it is wrong to just target one club.  

 

The problem with the media turning this from a narrative about racism in sport, to a narrative about racism in chelsea. Is that there will be a number of fans who will refuse to change, refuse to stop saying the word y*d, because of the "us" and "them" attitude. 

It needs to be a football wide issue. It needs to be broader than antisemitism and the racism (the racism that now seems to have not actually happened). Rent boy chants need to be investigated and punished. As does all anti catholic abuse against McClean. As does every club that uses the term y*d. As long as it feels "unfair" that the spotlight is on Chelsea, then it becomes very hard to make any change happen. 

As for Dan Levene, the guy is literally wetting himself with excitement at the prospect of being able to get himself in the limelight following this "incident"

He quite clearly needs stories like this to stay relevant, and my god is he going to milk it.

He has clearly massively exaggerated events to suit his agenda, which is probably why despite these awful chants being so damningly loud & clear in the stadium Dan was unable to record any of it. Along with everyone else.

"But maybe he didn't have his phone handy at the time" I hear you cry...

No no, Dan was tweeting constantly throughout the game... he just didn't think to record the ghastly chanting at the time, despite not being able to stop talking about it afterwards...

1 hour ago, coco said:

Totally agree bd, i just wish the attention was turned onto other clubs, that is if they really wanted to clean things up, atm it just feels like were being singled out. 

Here's an example, despite me being a sport nut and football fanatic, constantly debating footy sh*t, reading everyone's views, keeping right up to date with the latest footy news. But it wasn't until last weekend that i heard that a Tottenham fan had thrown a banana on the pitch. The only reason i heard was some of our fans on here pointing it out in comparison to this Sterling incident.

How can it be that i missed that ? It's the single worst case of racism i have heard of (eventually) happen in football in this country this century, but i only just heard about it.

Why wasn't a plethora of pundits twittering about that ?

What did Garth Crooks say about the banana incident ?

We are Chels.....owned by a Russian who dared upset the system........as I keep saying we are having it up the arse either way. That banana were thrown right at Aubamiyang after he scored. He came and said he is from Cypriot and that he didnt mean anything by it.....and bang it went right under the carpet, thrown to the wind like it never happened. Imagine if a Chels did that? People who bang on about that some of us are delusional and that we are not singled out are just laughable to me. Our Club itself were way too quick to judge the man without proof.......when will we show some balls and stand up for our rights? How many times must we get clear biased decisions against us before we wake up? Where was rio etc regarding that banana, where were the media's outrage. I so detest the British media and those behind it.....I hate those even more who benifit from all this when its a certain team. Now the dude is jobless.......looked down upon......banned......people know where he lives......all this without a single proof........thank god I dont live in Eng.

I believe the chap in the Stirling incident whose now lost his job worked in management for BT. 

People have topped themselves for less than he’s been subjected too.

God forbid, but if this happened and it was proven that he did not actually use the word black, the morally outraged Dan Levenes of this world will have blood on their hands.

20 minutes ago, benjsross said:

The problem with the media turning this from a narrative about racism in sport, to a narrative about racism in chelsea. Is that there will be a number of fans who will refuse to change, refuse to stop saying the word y*d, because of the "us" and "them" attitude. 

It needs to be a football wide issue. It needs to be broader than antisemitism and the racism (the racism that now seems to have not actually happened). Rent boy chants need to be investigated and punished. As does all anti catholic abuse against McClean. As does every club that uses the term y*d. As long as it feels "unfair" that the spotlight is on Chelsea, then it becomes very hard to make any change happen. 

Agree with what you are saying, however the part I have put in bold is not only applicable to Chelsea supporters.