https://x.com/chels_hq/status/1699840556518765051?s=61&t=xGPeOeehsZw-yJwl-L97jA

Love it. and just like the new ‘Chelsea football club’ sign inside the stadium, this will be another nice new addition. 

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by Term_X

5 hours ago, axman2526 said:

5 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

What are our scouts doing how are they only identifying a handful of youth players that cost £80- £100m or worst dozens of young £20-£25m who don't even see the first team. 

If you make a panic signing faced with a deadline closing in, how often does that player turn out to be amazing?

We made a panic sale faced with a deadline of extension from the British Gov and the PL. 

My opinion is that we shouldn't even call those people scouts. Just whatever, but not scouts.

Their performance is shocking. Do they just sit their ass on their hands all day and wait for players to fall through the ceiling? Or on the day they can be arsed to do what they are employed to, they just open the sports pages of the newspapers and see who is in the news and say ok we've scouted someone let's go get him.

I can't believe a club with so much resources has never ever been in a position where people say wow, Chelsea discovered that wonderful player, they do a good job at that.

All we are known for is buy the flavour of the month, has beens or some random in some below Premier League standard club who has performed well and say oh we are scouting a talented guy from here.

Oh well.

Edited September 7, 20232 yr by abister1
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1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

Spoil sport !

I was thinking really about top teams in our league, until Haaland I can't remember a traditional striker target man No 9 at top clubs ..? Kane maybe. ?

Son and Salah shared the golden boot as top scorers not long ago and they aren't traditional No 9 

I dunno how those strikers would do in our league but Lewandowski scored a lovely goal v Spurs awhile back

Thanks for your reply .

I do agree though as you say until the signing of Haaland we'd seen a more fluid front 3 type approach without the focal point. I guess managers adapt and change and we're perhaps entering a new phase where the "number 9" becomes de rigeur once more.

6 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

I do agree though as you say until the signing of Haaland we'd seen a more fluid front 3 type approach without the focal point. I guess managers adapt and change and we're perhaps entering a new phase where the "number 9" becomes de rigeur once more.

Perish the thought that someone discovers a two striker formation which results in more attack minded  football, more excitement and more goals. What could we call such a radical proposal though. Perhaps 4-4-2, you never know it may catch on 

1 hour ago, Term_X said:

https://x.com/chels_hq/status/1699840556518765051?s=61&t=xGPeOeehsZw-yJwl-L97jA

Love it. and just like the new ‘Chelsea football club’ sign inside the stadium, this will be another nice new addition. 

Let’s ignore some positive news about the club and start to bury it under gripes about overseas scouts and formations. Jeez. 

9 hours ago, Garryh said:

Let’s ignore some positive news about the club and start to bury it under gripes about overseas scouts and formations. Jeez. 

Welcome to the Shed end, where misery prevails....

2 hours ago, dkw said:

Welcome to the Shed end, where misery prevails....

 

Could we have a forum just for stats as in the 'Stat forum' I don't get it, all seems too tedious and mechanical. Or maybe i'll just carry on flicking past all the gobbledegook or just pass on the whole thing. I'm really going off football now anyway, there just isn't the buzz anymore, for me anyway. Shame really.

 

41 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Could we have a forum just for stats as in the 'Stat forum' I don't get it, all seems too tedious and mechanical. Or maybe i'll just carry on flicking past all the gobbledegook or just pass on the whole thing. I'm really going off football now anyway, there just isn't the buzz anymore, for me anyway. Shame really.

 

Since the introduction of VAR its lost a lot of the excitement the sport once had for me

It's sh*t like Chilwell's disallowed goal against Liverpool, Lukaku 2 years prior in EFL final, and now Garnacho's goal against Arsenal which has VAR ruined the sport when you are offsides if your knee cap is a millimeter ahead of the defender. 

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It's sh*t like Chilwell's disallowed goal against Liverpool, Lukaku 2 years prior in EFL final, and now Garnacho's goal against Arsenal which has VAR ruined the sport when you are offsides if your knee cap is a millimeter ahead of the defender. 

I said when VAR first appeared my worry was they would use it to hunt for reasons not to give a goal, and thats pretty much where we are now. Spending 2/3/4 minutes trying to find the tiniest little excuse to rule out a goal, its so much worse than just playing without it.

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

I said when VAR first appeared my worry was they would use it to hunt for reasons not to give a goal, and thats pretty much where we are now. Spending 2/3/4 minutes trying to find the tiniest little excuse to rule out a goal, its so much worse than just playing without it.

Whilst justifying it by saying "they are protecting the integrity of the game" when they spend 5 minutes dissecting an offsides goal that you, me, my nan, nor my dog can tell by the naked eye if they are for sure offsides.  

16 minutes ago, dkw said:

I said when VAR first appeared my worry was they would use it to hunt for reasons not to give a goal, and thats pretty much where we are now. Spending 2/3/4 minutes trying to find the tiniest little excuse to rule out a goal, its so much worse than just playing without it.

Yup, game is not really fun to watch anymore. I mean we don't score many goals to begin with of late, and the few we do you have to wait till the game restarts to be sure VAR won't chalk it off.

The upcoming global club super league won’t need human refereeing a Quantum computing AI bot w complete camera coverage and 🥅 line & offside tech will oversee proceedings flawlessly  and count perfect time wasted to be added on 😅😂🤣

On 07/09/2023 at 23:15, Garryh said:

Let’s ignore some positive news about the club and start to bury it under gripes about overseas scouts and formations. Jeez. 

Just shows where we are when new signage is regarded as " positive news about our club"  😂

I like em though tbf 

 

On 08/09/2023 at 23:34, dkw said:

I said when VAR first appeared my worry was they would use it to hunt for reasons not to give a goal, and thats pretty much where we are now. Spending 2/3/4 minutes trying to find the tiniest little excuse to rule out a goal, its so much worse than just playing without it.

Whether it's DRS in cricket, VAR in football or The Bunker in rugby league, video refereeing almost always ruins the sports it is introduced into. It is a commercial addition that plays to television productions, not something that enhances the sport itself.

I think VAR is the most egregious failure of the lot because it kills the momentum in a sport that derives its tension and excitement from momentum.

4 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Whether it's DRS in cricket, VAR in football or The Bunker in rugby league, video refereeing almost always ruins the sports it is introduced into. It is a commercial addition that plays to television productions, not something that enhances the sport itself.

I think VAR is the most egregious failure of the lot because it kills the momentum in a sport that derives its tension and excitement from momentum.

I think Rugby has it spot on, I also think cricket has been enhanced by it with the tech... Football has become a joke with it... If Refs were mic'd up, we could hear the decision making process and players we only adjudged offside from the position of their feet, might speed up things, but I did much prefer football without VAR. Can't celebrate goals anymore without a delayed response which as you say was all part of the excitement. 

Club sign is nice window dressing btw... 

 

 

13 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Whether it's DRS in cricket, VAR in football or The Bunker in rugby league, video refereeing almost always ruins the sports it is introduced into. It is a commercial addition that plays to television productions, not something that enhances the sport itself.

I think VAR is the most egregious failure of the lot because it kills the momentum in a sport that derives its tension and excitement from momentum.

I'm convinced it's only there for  the TV companies to add endless debate and controversy to even the most boring games.

Meanwhile stadium fans are left bemused and in the dark at decisions.. 

The eagerness to rule out goals is f**king killing the game.

 

 

16 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I think Rugby has it spot on, I also think cricket has been enhanced by it with the tech... Football has become a joke with it... If Refs were mic'd up, we could hear the decision making process and players we only adjudged offside from the position of their feet, might speed up things, but I did much prefer football without VAR. Can't celebrate goals anymore without a delayed response which as you say was all part of the excitement. 

Club sign is nice window dressing btw... 

 

 

There isn't a finals series that goes by here in the NRL where there isn't some sort of video refereeing controversy and the season is full of bone-headed decisions by the video referees. 

Likewise in cricket, the DRS has come under heavy scrutiny especially in the last 3-4 years, especially regarding the accuracy of Hawkeye's technology. Hawkeye has never been independently verified as accurate or reliable and some of the 'models' of bowling it comes up with are interesting to say the least.

No matter where it is, video refereeing is a net failure. There is a problem in mathematics called the problem of multiple comparisons, and video refereeing is a manifestation of that problem.

I really love the fact we are doing things different to every other club. We might well be able to also grow our fanbase with these moves. The best way for that naturally is winning big things but we are not there yet for a while. 

We have to shrug off the old Chelsea and the way we operated 30 years ago or 20 years ago. This new Chelsea is something else. With the wealth we have we need to combine this with intelligent people and the best talent. If we manage to do so everything will show on the pitch. 

To win a treble like City did is something out of science fiction basically. Even winning the league title means City has to fail in many ways. 

I like the youthful look of our side. Remains to be seen how long Pochettino is our coach. What we know so far is the new owner will change the coach in a heartbeat.

On 08/09/2023 at 14:34, dkw said:

I said when VAR first appeared my worry was they would use it to hunt for reasons not to give a goal, and that's pretty much where we are now. Spending 2/3/4 minutes trying to find the tiniest little excuse to rule out a goal, its so much worse than just playing without it.

It's funny how the original change to the offside rule (behind to level) and the banning of the back pass were introduced to create more goals and make the game more entertaining, yet VAR has without doubt made the game a lot less entertaining by ruling out many very good goals for the sake of a players kneecap being 1mm offside and delaying the celebration of onside goals for several minutes to confirm that a players knee cap was 1mm onside. Football isn't the 100m sprint or the long jump where a 100th of a second or a couple of millimetres is the only difference between winning or coming second.

I’d like to see some form of automated VAR like the World Cup where a conjured consistently draws the lines and not Taylor, Webb or Dean in days gone by!

Beyond that the rule should be simplified and favor the attacker. Clear separation of the two bodies would do it for me!

3 hours ago, Snedger said:

Football isn't the 100m sprint or the long jump where a 100th of a second or a couple of millimetres is the only difference between winning or coming second

Agree with most of what you say however this bit......

I'm sure if you asked millions of Irish folk on their thoughts of stopping play for 5 mins to check if Thierry Henry had cheated them out of a world cup spot you'd get responses heavily tilted to stopping play.

Too much at stake in football and whilst we all enjoy the spontaneity, sometimes there's too much at stake in a game, money included, to not try to at least have a second look. It's annoying that sometimes they get it wrong on second look but that's not because the tools weren't there to put it right.

Maybe they decided to use it only in important games but who decides what's important in relation to the game or teams involved. Best to be a blanket rule change.

2 hours ago, PhilH930 said:

I’d like to see some form of automated VAR like the World Cup where a conjured consistently draws the lines and not Taylor, Webb or Dean in days gone by!

Beyond that the rule should be simplified and favor the attacker. Clear separation of the two bodies would do it for me!

I've always favoured that change.

I know a line would still have to be drawn between to see if a heel plays a striker onside, but it's definitely favours the attacker , I think .

No doubt they would find a way to f**k it up !

At present there is no real advantage for a forward who has half a bit of his toe offside, but the goal is ruled out. To me it's anti football and is goes against the spirit of the game 

2 hours ago, abister1 said:

Agree with most of what you say however this bit......

I'm sure if you asked millions of Irish folk on their thoughts of stopping play for 5 mins to check if Thierry Henry had cheated them out of a world cup spot you'd get responses heavily tilted to stopping play.

Too much at stake in football and whilst we all enjoy the spontaneity, sometimes there's too much at stake in a game, money included, to not try to at least have a second look. It's annoying that sometimes they get it wrong on second look but that's not because the tools weren't there to put it right.

Maybe they decided to use it only in important games but who decides what's important in relation to the game or teams involved. Best to be a blanket rule change.

Henry looked like he was playing basketball.

I think the Irish FA accepted some financial payout as compensation ?

Sounds unlikely now I've written it , but I believe it's true ?