Just now, Deino said:

Really? But former players have always made the transition into managers, like Robson, Wenger and Ferguson. 

Granted back then, the really big name players rarely transition into managers because they got hooked on drugs, alcohol or women.

Fans are more exposed now which is why we are seeing lots of former players turning to management but it's not a new trend

Its a new trend in the sense that all these former players were players as of very recent and are in top clubs already... They haven't really had to work their way up much at all.

Pirlo for example doesnt even have his coaching badges yet!

1 hour ago, Droopy said:

We already have Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho and even Billy Gilmour that are all about the control and press over the pitch. Why would we add another, expensive, unproven English player with zero attacking qualities to them in time when we need more defenders and definitely a goalie, is beyond me. The only real reason to buy another midfielder is to bring more creativity and possibly goal threat. But this is also not a must because we bought/are about to buy 3 new world class players to secure the goals. 

If we buy the guy we'll only get a confirmation of Frank's obsession with English players. 

Don't see an issue with this. Why not buy the best local talent? Bayern do it in Germany and it works for them. 

1 hour ago, driller97 said:

I meant former players turned managers in the sense that a lot of players that were known for how good players they are turning into managers.

Pep, Jose etc were players but they never really played a big part in anything, whereas people like Lampard, Gerrard, Pirlo, Xavi were all big name players

I can't believe you said Pep never really played a big part in anything. Pep played 11 seasons for Barca, won 6 La Liga, 1 Copa Del Rey, 4 Supercopa de España, 1 European Cup, 1 Cup winners Cup, 2 UEFA Super Cup. 

Johan Cruyff even named Pep in his all-time world 11

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10607132/johan-cruyff-picks-all-time-world-xi-pep-guardiola-makes-the-team

 

 

3 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

I can't believe you said Pep never really played a big part in anything. Pep played 11 seasons for Barca, won 6 La Liga, 1 Copa Del Rey, 4 Supercopa de España, 1 European Cup, 1 Cup winners Cup, 2 UEFA Super Cup. 

Johan Cruyff even named Pep in his all-time world 11

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10607132/johan-cruyff-picks-all-time-world-xi-pep-guardiola-makes-the-team

 

 

I meant to say Poch not Pep haha!

10 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Its a new trend in the sense that all these former players were players as of very recent and are in top clubs already... They haven't really had to work their way up much at all.

Pirlo for example doesnt even have his coaching badges yet!

Now I see your point. I agree to a point, maybe the transition from playing to management should take more time but managing football clubs nowadays is much different to the previous era.

Managers used to have more control back then ie Ferguson and Wenger. Nowadays managers are more like head coaches because the systems at the top football clubs are already very good.

That being said, a number of great players have transitioned from great players to great managers like Zidane, Pep and Heynckes among others.

2 hours ago, Droopy said:

If we buy the guy we'll only get a confirmation of Frank's obsession with English players. 

What obsession would that be? Lampard's signing to date have been one each of a Croatian, Moroccan, German, French, Brazilian and English. 

If we complete the signing of Havertz he'll have signed more Germans than English players.  

39 minutes ago, driller97 said:

I meant to say Poch not Pep haha!

Is that Pochettino who has never won anything at all?

2 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Is that Pochettino who has never won anything at all?

The Pochettino that took a pathetic club like the spuds to a champions league final and actually had them in a title push...

1 minute ago, driller97 said:

The Pochettino that took a pathetic club like the spuds to a champions league final and actually had them in a title push...

The things you mention is just the build-up for the "most dvd's sold" award that he won one time at a flea market.

I do like Declan Rice and I know that he is a CFC "old boy"  but I just can't believe that if he is being bought as a defensive midfielder, he is better than Kante. I know he's only 21, but Kante is hardly ancient and is proven at the top (World Cup winner) level. I genuinely believe Kante would walk in to almost any Premier League side and probably the top 6 Clubs in Europe too. If we were to get £80 million for N'Golo, why would be just blow the lot on a lad that is still unproven at the top level ???

39 minutes ago, driller97 said:

The Pochettino that took a pathetic club like the spuds to a champions league final and actually had them in a title push...

So still not as successful a club as Blackburn or Leicester, then?  And a title push that saw him come third in a 2-horse race.

 

I do wish people would stop with this nonsensical Pochettino adoration.  The man won nothing, had arguably some of the best forwards in the league at his disposal, if the Kane-ites, Alli-lovers and Son-o-philes are to be believed, and the very best he could achieve was getting 14 corners in one half of football against us.

 

You'll be telling me Eddie Howe is the English Guardiola next.

Edited September 2, 20205 yr by yorkleyblue

Tottenham played inexperienced miracle Ajax team on the semis, eliminated them luckily, the laughing stock of Champions League Man City before that and the sold-out Borussia Dortmund team on the 1/8 finals.  Our road to final in Europa League the same season was more difficult. 

If you exclude that from Poch's resume, his biggest success by the way, you will see how overrated he is. The fifth worst years in terms of quality of the Premier League, right after Ferguson's retirement, they had real shot at the title each season and lost all of them - twice to us, twice to City and one to... Leicester. These 5 years PL was dogs**t and these 5 years are the best seasons in Scums' recent history. No titles... not even a Carling or FA Cup. 

He is 'on vacation' still for a reason. 

Pochettino is a brilliant manager, it is a shame that some people do not appreciate his abilities because he managed a team like spurs. 

7 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

Pochettino is a brilliant manager, it is a shame that some people do not appreciate his abilities because he managed a team like spurs. 

I agree that he is a damn good manager, but do think that he totally lost his way after The Champions League final defeat. This was most likely because he wanted to "push on" with developing his side with new and better players but Levy would not countenance it. He seemed to throw his dummy out of the pram and supposedly lost the dressing room. Not the traits of a top, top Manager 🤔

14 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

Pochettino is a brilliant manager, it is a shame that some people do not appreciate his abilities because he managed a team like spurs. 

His only claim to fame so far was completely f**king up a league title, wow what an amazing manager....

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

His only claim to fame so far was completely f**king up a league title, wow what an amazing manager....

Whilst I think he is a good manager I think he flatters to deceive. With all due respect to Leicester, who did deserve their title win, Tottenham really should have won it that year. When Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd & Liverpool are completely out the race; for Tottenham not to win taking into account their spending, squad, experience etc compared to Leicester is a bit... bottley. 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

The things you mention is just the build-up for the "most dvd's sold" award that he won one time at a flea market.

Still doesnt mean he did a bad job at Tottenham though does it?

3 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

What obsession would that be? Lampard's signing to date have been one each of a Croatian, Moroccan, German, French, Brazilian and English. 

If we complete the signing of Havertz he'll have signed more Germans than English players.  

The only obsession is that muppet with English players, his dislike of them is borderline xenophobic.

None of this seems to cover the very valid point made above that to contemplate selling Kante for 80m only to spend this on a poorer quality player seems somewhat crass. Its selling the family sterling silver to buy silver plated. I don't dislike Rice but Its still difficult to understand the reasoning

30 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Still doesnt mean he did a bad job at Tottenham though does it?

He won more as a player than as a manager...and he wasn't that epic as a player, somehow he got into the national team of Argentina, only to foul Owen at the World Cup for an easy penalty. 

it really depends what you consider a good job, maybe for Spurs he was amazing idk.

It’s great talking about poch but I rate the need for rice well below a good central defender upamecano for instance or a goal keeper who represents an alternative to kepa medium term. 
 

rice is not needed right now 

1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

Pochettino is a brilliant manager, it is a shame that some people do not appreciate his abilities because he managed a team like spurs. 

Maybe it should be in a different thread of its own, but can you give me maybe 3 reasons why you claim he "is a brilliant manager" and exactly what abilities "it is a shame that some people do not appreciate"?

Maybe 1 single genuine reason might be enough.

As far as I can see, he did a workmanlike job at Southampton and then achieved nothing at the Spuds except make them perennial losers when the chips are down.  They are called the North London bottlers for a reason.

I think Poch is probably a decent enough manager but would I want him at Chelsea? f**k no.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

None of this seems to cover the very valid point made above that to contemplate selling Kante for 80m only to spend this on a poorer quality player seems somewhat crass. Its selling the family sterling silver to buy silver plated. I don't dislike Rice but Its still difficult to understand the reasoning

You are right. If people think selling Kante to accomodate Rice needs to happen, they are buying too much into the Rice hype. Anyone can look good in a Spam shirt. 

Now I'm hearing media calling Rice the next Carrick? Oh please...

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

None of this seems to cover the very valid point made above that to contemplate selling Kante for 80m only to spend this on a poorer quality player seems somewhat crass. Its selling the family sterling silver to buy silver plated. I don't dislike Rice but Its still difficult to understand the reasoning

It wouldn't be the first time a club has sold a player that doesn't fit the way the team plays to get one that does, Its pretty much what Liverpool did with Coutinho.