I think Frank thinks there is probably a formula of home based players that normally mean the players relate to the fans and will go that extra mile.

Tell that to Marina. She missed the memo.

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

I actually fully agree with you on this. 

There is a clear bias when it comes to English players where they're overhyped and estimated higher. They've valued higher due to homegrown registration and other things, so you'll pay over the value for an English player in most cases. 

Although I will say, Rice does have potential and he looks like a good player, I still think he's very overrated. However, he had a much better season this season, whereas last season I really never saw the hype with him (or should I say the season before). Still, I'll be furious if we pay over 50 million for him. 

Its very true thats why. All these english players being hyped to no end by our media and people in this country... But do you really think a club like Real Madrid or Barcelona are paying 80m for a Maguire? or 50m on Chilwell? Rice is a fairly decent player, but anything more than 40m is absolutely ludicrous.

I do understand that we do have a quota to fill and there will always be a bias, but that doesnt mean we need to be shaken down by the likes of a West Ham or a Leicester.

Very few english bred players warrant that sort of price. Kane is the one that comes to mind, but even then that would have been a couple years ago and not currently. Sancho I understand as well, but 120m... That is insanity. Nobody outside of an english club would pay anywhere near that, despite him being a good player.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12050293/kai-havertz-wants-to-move-to-chelsea-as-soon-as-possible

Its very true thats why. All these english players being hyped to no end by our media and people in this country... But do you really think a club like Real Madrid or Barcelona are paying 80m for a Maguire? or 50m on Chilwell? Rice is a fairly decent player, but anything more than 40m is absolutely ludicrous.
I do understand that we do have a quota to fill and there will always be a bias, but that doesnt mean we need to be shaken down by the likes of a West Ham or a Leicester.
Very few english bred players warrant that sort of price. Kane is the one that comes to mind, but even then that would have been a couple years ago and not currently. Sancho I understand as well, but 120m... That is insanity. Nobody outside of an english club would pay anywhere near that, despite him being a good player.

Not even sure if the average supporter care where their star-player is from originally. Not even sure that is the reason for the bloated prices. Do they have the same thing in Germany?

I am guessing it is a pride thing.

1 hour ago, coco said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12050293/kai-havertz-wants-to-move-to-chelsea-as-soon-as-possible

What got on my tits about that is “would represent a major coup for Chelsea as some of Europe’s biggest clubs have shown interest”.

As if we are some little squirts, the most successful English  club domestically and in Europe over the past 15 years, in the most watched league in the best city...a coup..f off 

2 hours ago, evissy said:

2 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

I think Frank thinks there is probably a formula of home based players that normally mean the players relate to the fans and will go that extra mile.

Tell that to Marina. She missed the memo.

Perhaps the manager vs club long term acquisitions.

Rice in Kante goes....

12 hours ago, driller97 said:

Its very true thats why. All these english players being hyped to no end by our media and people in this country... But do you really think a club like Real Madrid or Barcelona are paying 80m for a Maguire? or 50m on Chilwell? Rice is a fairly decent player, but anything more than 40m is absolutely ludicrous.

I do understand that we do have a quota to fill and there will always be a bias, but that doesnt mean we need to be shaken down by the likes of a West Ham or a Leicester.

Very few english bred players warrant that sort of price. Kane is the one that comes to mind, but even then that would have been a couple years ago and not currently. Sancho I understand as well, but 120m... That is insanity. Nobody outside of an english club would pay anywhere near that, despite him being a good player.

It's English media also. Look at Pochettino, have you noticed he's gone under the radar? When he was sacked, everyone was saying he's the next Madrid manager, he hasn't been considered by anyone since. Barca decided to get Koeman, Juventus decided to get Pirlo, Madrid brought Zidane back, he hasn't been considered by anyone. Maybe it's because nobody outside of England rate him as highly as we do, people see his CV and don't see any silverware, just that he got Tottenham into the top 4, and I can actually see their point. 

I seriously doubt we would've even entertained the Barkley signing if his nationality was Spanish. 

9 hours ago, Slojo said:

I seriously doubt we would've even entertained the Barkley signing if his nationality was Spanish. 

When I read that I thought of James Rodriguez currently a rarely used Real Madrid player.

Never really delivered yet has some great talent.

I recall we paid just £15m for Barkley.

Barkley was cheap, played an important role in some games and is a good bench  option. On recent form he is much sharper than RLC 

Imagine how much Morata and Kepa would have cost if they where English?

Imagine how much Morata and Kepa would have cost if they where English?

Do you mean Alfred Morton and Keith Arlington?

11 hours ago, Slojo said:

It's English media also. Look at Pochettino, have you noticed he's gone under the radar? When he was sacked, everyone was saying he's the next Madrid manager, he hasn't been considered by anyone since. Barca decided to get Koeman, Juventus decided to get Pirlo, Madrid brought Zidane back, he hasn't been considered by anyone. Maybe it's because nobody outside of England rate him as highly as we do, people see his CV and don't see any silverware, just that he got Tottenham into the top 4, and I can actually see their point. 

I seriously doubt we would've even entertained the Barkley signing if his nationality was Spanish. 

Very good point on Pochettino actually, though I still find it baffling how he wasn't considered for the Barca job. I mean sure he hasn't won any trophies, but if you look at the state of tottenham before he arrived vs after he has actually done a miracle job. Taking a club like spurs to the Champions league final? Making them go much higher than they would usually in the league.

But maybe thats all just our bias, would we care if a manager did that in spain? Would we care if a manager took a club like Valencia up a few places in the league and gave them a good run in the UCL or EL? I dont think so.

Agree on Barkley. Only reason he was signed was because he was english and needed to fill the quota, which is now pointless because we promote many english youth players up to the first team anyway.

7 minutes ago, driller97 said:

Very good point on Pochettino actually, though I still find it baffling how he wasn't considered for the Barca job. I mean sure he hasn't won any trophies, but if you look at the state of tottenham before he arrived vs after he has actually done a miracle job. Taking a club like spurs to the Champions league final? Making them go much higher than they would usually in the league.

But maybe thats all just our bias, would we care if a manager did that in spain? Would we care if a manager took a club like Valencia up a few places in the league and gave them a good run in the UCL or EL? I dont think so.

Agree on Barkley. Only reason he was signed was because he was english and needed to fill the quota, which is now pointless because we promote many english youth players up to the first team anyway.

Poch is Espanyol through and through he said he’d never go to Barca

32 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

Poch is Espanyol through and through he said he’d never go to Barca

Well that does make some sense. Still surprised another club hasn't snapped him up yet.. When Sarri got sacked from Juve, I for sure thought Poch would be one of the favourites to go there... Instead we're seeing the trend of former players turning into managers

Declan Rice and Kante partnership behind Havertz. Anyone have anything against that line up? It means Kovacic will be on the bench. Mount will be on the bench. RLC and Jorginho will all not play. So if anyone has anything against that line up, please say it.

9 hours ago, driller97 said:

Well that does make some sense. Still surprised another club hasn't snapped him up yet.. When Sarri got sacked from Juve, I for sure thought Poch would be one of the favourites to go there... Instead we're seeing the trend of former players turning into managers

That’s not a new trend almost every manager is a former player you’re probably just watching more football now and seeing them transition. 

They could be getting their chances a bit quicker these days though. 

I’m still not sure why you’d pick rice over kova , I’m unconvinced Kante will stay fit, and I think despite my doubts over his technical qua;it’s, that lampard likes mount and mount did enough last season to make the team tick. 

I do agree that hat the midfielders have defensive work to do and that they have to contribute more goals than Kovacic or Kante ever will 

you mentioned Ballack Essien and lampard. Of those lampard was much more of a a goal scorer than defender but Ballack and Essen scored few goals, Ballack was getting to the end of his career and goal scoring generally drops off then and Essen was used defensively  

so I could easily see for instance, Kovacic mount and havertz doing a similar job, or with Kante replacing either Kovacic or mount. 

as someone else mention mount, Tammy, James, and even Kovacic, but particularly Mount will be better for last season. 

We need Declan Rice. If thats the case, then RLC or Barkley and Jorginho have to go.

10 hours ago, hephzibah said:

Declan Rice and Kante partnership behind Havertz. Anyone have anything against that line up? It means Kovacic will be on the bench. Mount will be on the bench. RLC and Jorginho will all not play. So if anyone has anything against that line up, please say it.

Kante wouldn’t get ahead  kova now, I personally think we should accept Kante isn’t the player he was

7 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Kante wouldn’t get ahead  kova now, I personally think we should accept Kante isn’t the player he was

When he's the only defensive midfielder on the pitch, can he carry all the responsibilities alone? In France, i think there is Matuidi partnering with him in midfield. Before, in Chelsea, I think we had Matic supporting him. So now that he's the only one, can he do it alone? So if we concede goals now, u think it is because he's not as good as he was. No. I've told you what we need to do. Declan Rice, Kante, Havertz. 

See, if you say Kovacic should play instead of Kante, is Kovacic a defensive midfielder? An attempt to play someone who cannot defend in that hole is a recipe for us conceeding loads and loads of goals, and it will not mean that Kante is not good, it will mean the wrong person is playing with him.

10 hours ago, hephzibah said:

Declan Rice and Kante partnership behind Havertz. Anyone have anything against that line up? It means Kovacic will be on the bench. Mount will be on the bench. RLC and Jorginho will all not play. So if anyone has anything against that line up, please say it.

Rice and Kante together will have some kind of similar limitations like Kovacic and Kante had this last season. Neither of them can pass forward that well. 

If Kovacic was our best player last season he shouldn't be that much on the bench and Mount played most games last season so he should be playing as well. Jorginho has been better than Kante last season...I mean it all depends how Lampard wants to play, if he wants two number 8's and one number 6 that's Mount and Havertz and behind them is either Kovacic, Jorginho or Kante so why would we need to buy Rice?

We already have Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho and even Billy Gilmour that are all about the control and press over the pitch. Why would we add another, expensive, unproven English player with zero attacking qualities to them in time when we need more defenders and definitely a goalie, is beyond me. The only real reason to buy another midfielder is to bring more creativity and possibly goal threat. But this is also not a must because we bought/are about to buy 3 new world class players to secure the goals. 

If we buy the guy we'll only get a confirmation of Frank's obsession with English players. 

11 hours ago, SFL82 said:

That’s not a new trend almost every manager is a former player you’re probably just watching more football now and seeing them transition. 

They could be getting their chances a bit quicker these days though. 

I meant former players turned managers in the sense that a lot of players that were known for how good players they are turning into managers.

Pep, Jose etc were players but they never really played a big part in anything, whereas people like Lampard, Gerrard, Pirlo, Xavi were all big name players

57 minutes ago, driller97 said:

I meant former players turned managers in the sense that a lot of players that were known for how good players they are turning into managers.

Pep, Jose etc were players but they never really played a big part in anything, whereas people like Lampard, Gerrard, Pirlo, Xavi were all big name players

Really? But former players have always made the transition into managers, like Robson, Wenger and Ferguson. 

Granted back then, the really big name players rarely transition into managers because they got hooked on drugs, alcohol or women.

Fans are more exposed now which is why we are seeing lots of former players turning to management but it's not a new trend