3 hours ago, Sindre said:

You mean since the turn of the year? I think some suffer from some short term memories (not directed at you) but until the end of November we were leading scorers in the league alongside Liverpool. That is coincidentally excactly when we lost Chilwell and our injury and Covid problems started. Losing our entire midfield and both wingbacks and most of our attackers to Covid at one point or another.

Point being, we were looking perfectly fine in attack until that point. And I have no doubt we'll get back to that point. Perhaps not right away as LWB is an obvious headache now and R.James is still not fit but we'll get there.

Not for me, I have found Tuchels football pretty boring for a long time now and seen problems in how we try to attack teams. At the end of the day some managers are boring but as long as it brings trophies then that's fine. Im more worried about the attacking third looking disjointed, lack of cohesion and a bunch of attackers who haven't really performed and its looked like that for a long time IMO. I am looking more towards the league because we generally play poor teams in the cups. That's just my opinion at the end of the day and I've hardly been on this forum to share that opinion.

You are correct about Chillwell and James but then that does show the problem we have with out attackers that we rely so much on wing backs. Tuchel could have changed it up and gone with a back 4, or signed someone in Jan, he doesn't have to play Dave at RWB which is so painfull.

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

For example this run:

And yes I know what some are going to say. We only drew with Burnley and United at home. But we absolutely crushed both of them only to be let down by terrible finishing. And we absolutely toyed with Leicester, Juventus, Newcastle, Norwich and Malmo in every way possible. So there you go.

 

 

How odd, those (bar Man Utd) happen to be the last games that Chilwell played in. What a curious coincidence...

1 hour ago, dkw said:

 

In between these we drew at home to Burnley and Saints, dreadful in both and barely created a chance worthy of the name.

 

Saints fair enough but Burnley was an excellent performance despite the draw in my opinion, a mix of poor finishing and Nick Pope being fantastic kept them in it. Even for our standards of recent years it was ridiculous that ended up a contest let alone dropped points.

It was actually that game that convinced me we could have challenged.

2 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

How odd, those (bar Man Utd) happen to be the last games that Chilwell played in. What a curious coincidence...

Yeah, that's what grinds my gears when people don't take circumstances into consideraton, even a littlebit. We've looked stale and poor offensively for the most part since Juventus when Chilwell got injured. Then a ton of other injuries and Covid-cases and fatigue on top of that too.

With that said. I'm leaving this forum today. Been here 16 years but now there are others that need my full attention for the next little while so it's Sayonara from me. Some great discussions over the years with several good and great posters. So thanks a lot for that everyone! 

Up the Chels!

 

 

https://theprideoflondon.com/2022/02/13/thomas-tuchel-gets-stack-deck-chelsea-reshuffle/

Forgive me for being sceptical, but we were told TT would be backed last summer after winning the UCL and the only signings he got was a loan which hasn't really worked out (don't know if this was a TT signing or a club) and ofc Lukaku. Had we signed Koundé we wouldn't be in such an awkward situation with a defenders right now.

 

Edit: Matt Law article 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/02/13/chelsea-back-thomas-tuchel-sustained-premier-league-title-bid/

 

 

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by LongtimerLurker

5 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

How odd, those (bar Man Utd) happen to be the last games that Chilwell played in. What a curious coincidence...

If our disjointed, slow, predictable play up top, our inability to play forward passes at pace, out inability to finish chances, or certain players inability to consistently control or pass the ball, is all due to Chilly being missing, then there are even bigger problems than I feared!

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

https://theprideoflondon.com/2022/02/13/thomas-tuchel-gets-stack-deck-chelsea-reshuffle/

Forgive me for being sceptical, but we were told TT would be backed last summer after winning the UCL and the only signings he got was a loan which hasn't really worked out (don't know if this was a TT signing or a club) and ofc Lukaku. Had we signed Koundé we wouldn't be in such an awkward situation with a defenders right now.

 

Edit: Matt Law article 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/02/13/chelsea-back-thomas-tuchel-sustained-premier-league-title-bid/

 

 

He'll get new players in the summer for sure. With those new players maybe we get to see some tweaks in our play and maybe even a new formation next season.

So far we rely on the backline and wing-backs to do a lot for us and maybe with some new faces Tuchel will shift that focus to the midfielders and wide players in a new system.

Either way I'm convinced that despite of our problems that Tuchel earned his right to be properly backed with some 150m in the summer, specially when Azpilicueta, Christensen and Rudiger leave for free.

See if he can figure out a way to nullify Liverpools attack and claim the league cup next. If he can think it lifts quite a bit of pressure off. 

10 hours ago, Sindre said:

Yeah, that's what grinds my gears when people don't take circumstances into consideraton, even a littlebit. We've looked stale and poor offensively for the most part since Juventus when Chilwell got injured. Then a ton of other injuries and Covid-cases and fatigue on top of that too.

With that said. I'm leaving this forum today. Been here 16 years but now there are others that need my full attention for the next little while so it's Sayonara from me. Some great discussions over the years with several good and great posters. So thanks a lot for that everyone! 

Up the Chels!

 

 

Well I guess if your gonna go may as well do so as world Champions. 👍

21 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

Let's see if TT can add the PL or a second CL in that time.

7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Let's see if TT can add the PL or a second CL in that time.

Let's see if Roman lets him stay that long first. 

2 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Let's see if Roman lets him stay that long first. 

Not very likely is it lol.

2 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Let's see if Roman lets him stay that long first. 

I think that if we keep winning cups there is no reason for Tuchel to worry. But the pressure can arise if we stop winning while playing unattractive football and that can be the key issue for Roman.

After Conte he wanted us to play attractive football but during this Club World Cup we looked pretty boring and static, some fans complained during the Sarri period where we had 65% possession most of the time but recently we had more possession combined with even less movement in the final third and we do play with a back 3 so this has been objectively even less attractive than the worst games under Sarri.

The key could be to refresh the squad in the summer and I think that there is a high chance of that happening.

10 hours ago, Amputechture said:

Liverpool never reached the FA Cup final either

13 hours ago, Amputechture said:

I saw this on Twitter this morning followed by swathes of comments trying to discredit Tuchel’s achievements from The Victims  They’ve both done great jobs under different circumstances. 

1 hour ago, Munkworth said:

I saw this on Twitter this morning followed by swathes of comments trying to discredit Tuchel’s achievements from The Victims  They’ve both done great jobs under different circumstances. 

As much as it pains me to say it, Klopp has Liverscum playing some cracking stuff at times.   They are consistently playing better, more entertaining football than we are under Tuchel, or were under Lamps, Sarri, Conte or Jose 2

Edited February 15, 20224 yr by nonotnowjim

38 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

As much as it pains me to say it, Klopp has Liverscum playing some cracking stuff at times.   They are consistently playing better, more entertaining football than we are under Tuchel, or were under Lamps, Sarri, Conte or Jose 2

Yeah Klopp has essentially built his team by now though. If Tuchel can avoid the sack and do similar it’ll be interesting. 

100% let TT build his team. Look at Pep's city they've just scored 4 away goals in the first half of their ucl tie. 

Not only do his teams make history, but essentially they're ending KO ties in the first half of the 2 legged tie. That's what longevity can bring, I'm convinced TT is the man to do it for us. Klopp has been able to imprint his style too at Liverpool and the performances of their key players are not only consistent but significant also.

TT has already made us the best defence in the world and that's within 6 months to a year. He did that with the resources available to him. No one is saying he didn't inherent a world class squad but it was still a disjointed and out of form team. A team which he made world champions.

Whoever he wants he should get. Let's see what he can do when he has control, his PSG and Dortmund sides were well known for their attack and that's when he's had time and you would assume input on the squad choices. His record speaks for itself. I want to see what he's capable of creating.

2 hours ago, Munkworth said:

Yeah Klopp has essentially built his team by now though. If Tuchel can avoid the sack and do similar it’ll be interesting. 

Will be indeed.

Both City and Pool found the perfect combination between manager, board and players. 

The Board of both have allowed both their managers to make mistakes in signings and results wise and stood by them. In the end that has seen better players arrive, better football played and trophies win.

I mean were it PSG they would have sacked Pep for gambling with no holding mid against us in the final.

9 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

I mean were it PSG they would have sacked Pep for gambling with no holding mid against us in the final.

They had Gundogan and more possession, not really a gamble of any kind it was calculated. 

8 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

100% let TT build his team. Look at Pep's city they've just scored 4 away goals in the first half of their ucl tie. 

Not only do his teams make history, but essentially they're ending KO ties in the first half of the 2 legged tie. That's what longevity can bring, I'm convinced TT is the man to do it for us. Klopp has been able to imprint his style too at Liverpool and the performances of their key players are not only consistent but significant also.

TT has already made us the best defence in the world and that's within 6 months to a year. He did that with the resources available to him. No one is saying he didn't inherent a world class squad but it was still a disjointed and out of form team. A team which he made world champions.

Whoever he wants he should get. Let's see what he can do when he has control, his PSG and Dortmund sides were well known for their attack and that's when he's had time and you would assume input on the squad choices. His record speaks for itself. I want to see what he's capable of creating.

If you want him to rebuild the team then he kinda need do it when he just took over which mean no cl and no cwc.

Edited February 16, 20224 yr by Bob stark

On 15/02/2022 at 21:10, LongtimerLurker said:

100% let TT build his team. Look at Pep's city they've just scored 4 away goals in the first half of their ucl tie. 

Not only do his teams make history, but essentially they're ending KO ties in the first half of the 2 legged tie. That's what longevity can bring, I'm convinced TT is the man to do it for us. Klopp has been able to imprint his style too at Liverpool and the performances of their key players are not only consistent but significant also.

TT has already made us the best defence in the world and that's within 6 months to a year. He did that with the resources available to him. No one is saying he didn't inherent a world class squad but it was still a disjointed and out of form team. A team which he made world champions.

Whoever he wants he should get. Let's see what he can do when he has control, his PSG and Dortmund sides were well known for their attack and that's when he's had time and you would assume input on the squad choices. His record speaks for itself. I want to see what he's capable of creating.

Those managers are not actually the ones identifying targets though, that is Edward’s & Begiristain. Sure they sit down with their managers and then narrow down those targets, but just handing a manager a chequebook & allowing him to run wild is asking for trouble. Tuchel’s record in the transfer market is not also his strong point.

IMO he just needs to be patient, he overplayed his hands by sanctioning the big money move for Lukaku. Even if he had got him firing I am not certain it would have been enough to win the league. City are a well oiled machine that are steamrolling teams. Good thing is Pep is leaving in 2023, and Klopp 2024.

 

I sincerely hope that the lineup against Palace was the result of Azpilicueta and Hudson-Odoi being unavailable at the last minute and not some bizarre experiment. Despite what Vialli said twenty years ago, full-backs are actually rather important in modern football.

We are barely scraping by with wins. The current style of play needs a revamp before sh*t hits the fan