1 hour ago, Ernie_blue said:

Nowhere near it

One prem (or a second CL) and I'd argue he pretty much is

 

With that being said stopping City's dominance in the league looks near impossible right now

3 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

People we justifying this same squad being 9th when Lampard was in charge, saying they were young and inexperienced

Indeed. Not to mention that we have two great wingbacks in our squad and we have been without both of them for months now. Which in turn have impeded our style of football significantly. But let's not take that into consideration at all and just whine.

Because that's what some love to do.

 

 

2 hours ago, sonic90 said:

He's got some work to do now, we inched past Plymouth, Al Hilal and Palmeiras.. the last few matches have been unenjoyable and draining for me. Hopefully another weeks good rest and prep work gets us back to some kind of good form.

100% agree. He’s got to do something with the attack because it boring and exhausting watching Chelsea at the minute. It’s very repetitive - take a 1-0 lead only to concede later in the game. 

 

Let´s just extend Rudiger, Christensen, bring back Gallagher and Broja and that´s how we roll next year. They accomplished so much more in the last 12 months, then they were supposed to.

This team is so young. It´s stupid good.

Christensen 25

Chalobah 22

Sarr 23

Chilwell 25

James 22

Mount 23

Havertz 22

Pulisic 23

CHO 21

Werner 25

Gallagher 22

Broja 20

 

The hunger of the man to win something that some people deemed unworthy of our time & effort.

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by Nick05

7 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Hes close. It's not like Jose won a Champions League.

Di Matteo did. The league is the top competition and Mourinho has 3 of them and 2 of them back to back.

3 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Di Matteo did. The league is the top competition and Mourinho has 3 of them and 2 of them back to back.

For me i also have to include other factors other than just trophies. Legacy, lasting impression etc. For one that is our greatest manager I never sit and think fondly of Jose. How many trophies have we misses out on now and handed to our rivals because he sold KDB and Salah?

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by KonaKai Blue

Tuchel needs to address something jose 2, conte, sarri and lamps have been unable to fix - and that is the speed of our build up play.

usually slow, usually to feet and usually to players with their back to goal.... Always predictable!

 

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

For me i also have to include other factors other than just trophies. Legacy, lasting impression etc. For one that is our greatest manager I never sit and think fondly of Jose. How many trophies have we misses out on now and handed to our rivals because he sold KDB and Salah?

Tuchel has done well but in the last year his football at the majority of times has been awful to watch, his predictable and doesn't like to change things or when he does from match to match his changes are weird, doesn't like making subs. I think it was Aluko before the game saying how Tuchel can deal with low block teams and he changes things up, well she clearly don't want Chelsea much.

I would rather see if Tuchel can get this team to a higher level competing against the top 2 for the league and see how he does over the next couple of years before I make a judgement as him as a manager, calling him the best ever is really knee jerk. I don't think there is one single attacking player who is playing well this season, the manager takes as much blame for that as the players.

 

13 hours ago, acidicleo said:

We were playing tiki taka football pre tuchel yes..

Missing the super attacking football played by AC, MS and JM v2.0.. 

Best football I’ve seen in lat 15 yrs was the 09-10 campaign under Caro, scoring 7 and 8s for fun.

“The victorious Chelsea side were noted for their attacking style of football: the team averaged 2.71 goals per game, scoring a Premier League record 103 goals for the season, compared to the average of 1.89 when they won the title in the 2004–05 and 2005–06 “

2 hours ago, Ernie_blue said:

Tuchel has done well but in the last year his football at the majority of times has been awful to watch, his predictable and doesn't like to change things or when he does from match to match his changes are weird, doesn't like making subs. I think it was Aluko before the game saying how Tuchel can deal with low block teams and he changes things up, well she clearly don't want Chelsea much.

I would rather see if Tuchel can get this team to a higher level competing against the top 2 for the league and see how he does over the next couple of years before I make a judgement as him as a manager, calling him the best ever is really knee jerk. I don't think there is one single attacking player who is playing well this season, the manager takes as much blame for that as the players.

 

You mean since the turn of the year? I think some suffer from some short term memories (not directed at you) but until the end of November we were leading scorers in the league alongside Liverpool. That is coincidentally excactly when we lost Chilwell and our injury and Covid problems started. Losing our entire midfield and both wingbacks and most of our attackers to Covid at one point or another.

Point being, we were looking perfectly fine in attack until that point. And I have no doubt we'll get back to that point. Perhaps not right away as LWB is an obvious headache now and R.James is still not fit but we'll get there.

Relax, everyone. Spring is coming. We all know or should know what that means. 

“As long as the roots are not severed, all is well, and all will be well in the garden…

In the garden, growth has its season. First comes spring and summer, but then we have autumn and winter. And THEN we get spring and summer again.”

44 minutes ago, Sindre said:

You mean since the turn of the year? I think some suffer from some short term memories (not directed at you) but until the end of November we were leading scorers in the league alongside Liverpool. That is coincidentally excactly when we lost Chilwell and our injury and Covid problems started. Losing our entire midfield and both wingbacks and most of our attackers to Covid at one point or another.

Point being, we were looking perfectly fine in attack until that point. And I have no doubt we'll get back to that point. Perhaps not right away as LWB is an obvious headache now and R.James is still not fit but we'll get there.

Honestly, the first signs of trouble and people want to jump on the manager, then these same fans will complain about our hire/fire strategy since Roman came in and say we have no stability.

He is doing a great job and has got us some important trophies and take us to finals in every cup he’s played. I hope that he continues to be our coach for a long time. However, let’s not kid ourselves, sometimes the football we serve under him is as dire as Sarri’s. We have shown great, intensive and fluid football in some occasions, Liverpool last season springs to mind or Leicester away this season, even the Burnley game at home despite the draw, but my god we do see some very boring games in many occasions like last night against Palmeiras, but Wolves or Leeds last season were bore fests too. We’ve had our issues with covid, match congestion and injuries, but some of the performances are not down to personnel only. We still find it too hard to unlock the bus teams park, we can’t play fast football any more, and the forwards are not performing as well as they should. Feck, they can’t even dribble defenders. That’s what he has to sort out, and it is a lot of work. I still believe that he can do it, and hope he stays to prove he can improve our game.

We weren't doing well in attack at all. Our attack has been blunt all season, mostly reliant on individual brilliance, penalties and set pieces to score goals, when was the last time we had a run of matches where we took teams apart? I understand why fans defend Tuchel as he's won us trophies, but anyone who really thinks there's not been a problem with our attacking game is embarrassingly deluded.

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by dkw

5 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Tuchel needs to address something jose 2, conte, sarri and lamps have been unable to fix - and that is the speed of our build up play.

usually slow, usually to feet and usually to players with their back to goal.... Always predictable!

 

It just shows when we break from the predictability we create. Last night, CHO took the ball to the byline and trusted his left foot leading to the goal. The other thing that needs improvement is when we get to the byline, how many times, the ball is either pulled back to the centre of the box and everyone has run inside or nobody has made the run inside and it is sent across the face of the goals, this is clearly a coaching matter.

9 minutes ago, dkw said:

when was the last time we had a run of matches where we took teams apart?

For example this run:

And yes I know what some are going to say. We only drew with Burnley and United at home. But we absolutely crushed both of them only to be let down by terrible finishing. And we absolutely toyed with Leicester, Juventus, Newcastle, Norwich and Malmo in every way possible. So there you go.

 

 

Newcastle - reece James individual brilliance + 1 penalty after 60 minutes of drab nothingness 

Leicester - set piece goal, kante individual brilliance  + 1 good goal. played well, loads of possession, 6 shots on target. Great.

Juve - brilliant game, attacked well.

Norwich - it's f**kin Norwich ha ha....

Malmo - set piece goal + 2 penalties + 1 Good goal. Then 45 minutes of nothingness

In between these we drew at home to Burnley and Saints, dreadful in both and barely created a chance worthy of the name.

These results don't really help your argument in any way.

Poor Tommy, he is so skinny.  Is he a vegan?  To me, he looks under 130 pounds.

11 minutes ago, dkw said:

Newcastle - reece James individual brilliance + 1 penalty after 60 minutes of drab nothingness 

Leicester - set piece goal, kante individual brilliance  + 1 good goal. played well, loads of possession, 6 shots on target. Great.

Juve - brilliant game, attacked well.

Norwich - it's f**kin Norwich ha ha....

Malmo - set piece goal + 2 penalties + 1 Good goal. Then 45 minutes of nothingness

In between these we drew at home to Burnley and Saints, dreadful in both and barely created a chance worthy of the name.

These results don't really help your argument in any way.

Alright, you are just ridiculous.

"Barely created a chance"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLz8N9XZ-cs

Must hurt that someone you decided you don't like and don't rate is raking in the trophies.

Before Kante's goal v Leicester btw. I'm sure our great buildup play and six attackers sprinting towards Leicesters goal had nothing to do with Kante getting a great shooting chance there btw:

Edited February 13, 20224 yr by Sindre

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

 

Must hurt that someone you decided you don't like and don't rate is raking in the trophies.

And on ignore you go  if you can't argue the points without resorting to sh*t like that then you don't deserve my comments 

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

And on ignore you go  if you can't argue the points without resorting to sh*t like that then you don't deserve my comments 

Well, you did say you don't like him and don't rate him.

And that's obvious the way you focus on the negatives in regards to the manager. It's tedious.

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Phillip said:

Poor Tommy, he is so skinny.  Is he a vegan?  To me, he looks under 130 pounds.

I think he said that he isn't a vegan, someone asked him and he said he likes pizza but maybe he's vegetarian or something like that. He was a model before so he's skinny naturally.