So is anybody thinking about changing the way they voted yet?

I’m not.

Normally you'd like to see gradual improvement but it seems we are going to opposite direction. The football is getting worse as more investment is brought in. 

Just now, EdinburghBlue said:

Stick with a manager who can’t get a single player in the squad to consistently look good? You can’t just stick with a manager in the hope they come good - is that not what everyone said about Frank? At least we had players who continually performed there. 
 

What we desperately need is a sporting director who will deal with transfer targets and choose a philosophy of play so that the coaching change doesn’t impact the overall plan. 
 

The football under Tuchel in the last 10-12 months has been awful. His record in the league and particularly at home is not good. Without his cup management he’s not impressed that much IMO so if we lose the cup runs, we’re in big trouble.

That last statement is what scares me. Boehly has spent big this summer, off my head we have added over £1m/wk in wages, no idea what amount was cleared off the books, and that is not taking into account the bumper contract increases for James & Mount. He is depending on a deep CL run, and at least top 4 this season. My fear is if we miss either target we will be screwed for a long time. Roman was basically covering our asses every year with at least £50m even with the regular trophy haul. I can’t see these guys doing that.

We are still in every single competition and trying to shoe in 7 new singings. Lets just cool down a bit.

3 games left to turn the season around and get it back on track for me.

5 minutes ago, Nibs said:

That's the trouble with football nowadays and the mindset of the modern supporter.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not over the moon with our performances and results and TT is quite rightly being questioned. But you just can't go sacking one coach and appointing another every time the team goes on a bad run. If we slip down the table and don't get out of our CL group, then yes, call for a change, but lets stop all the crying and have a bit more patience FFS.

Agreed. I suspect that the new owners will probably assess things around the time of the World Cup break. By that time the CL group stage will be completed too. That being said this doesn't feel like a brief blip in form, and that probably explains the number of negative posts. We've being serving up some turgid football now for most of this calendar year. 

3 minutes ago, Upsetter said:

So is anybody thinking about changing the way they voted yet?

I’m not.

Would have been strange if tonight's performance converted you into Tuchel in.

I'm still fully behind Tuchel. replacing him doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did previously given we've looked poor every game this season since the spurs game. The players not performing for his is a legitimate concern.

But I just think our squad is absolutely horrendous and no manager could compete with it.  

He could be doing better but I'm not going to change a manager who's only getting 2/10 performances out of 1/10 players.   

These Bums would fail the next manager just like they did Tuchel and many did Frank.

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by HazardousChoice

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Played very good football with Tottenham though.

He actually didn't. They are probably the best side we've faced (not managed by Pep) when it comes to forcing mistakes but I always thought their general style was pretty meh.

His 100th match today. 

First 50 matches, we conceded 24 goals. 

Last 50 matches, we conceded 53. 

 

The defence was the only thing going for Tuchel, and now that is completely gone. 

3 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

The problem with this is that where will they draw the line? If it’s a rebuild we’re in, missing out on CL football would be massive - we lost out on targets this year to Barca etc. that would only likely get worse if we don’t have the offer of CL football!

Financially that would certainly amount to a hit, and as you say there is the danger of missing out on players. But the gamble would be that we ultimately lay the foundations for a much better team in the long term. I suppose Arsenal have sort of taken that path under Arteta. They had a season out of Europe and threw away a Champs League spot at the end of last season. But they seem to have improved as a team this season.

I’ve always thought that a good manager adapts his system to suit the players he has available. In other words, he plays to their strengths.

What a good manager doesn’t do is persistently attempt to mould his players to fit his preferred system, banging square pegs into round holes, playing his players out of position, and what ultimately amounts to playing to their weaknesses, and then puts the blames squarely (but not fairly) on the players.

Taxi for Tuchel s’il vous plait.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

He actually didn't. They are probably the best side we've faced (not managed by Pep) when it comes to forcing mistakes but I always thought their general style was pretty meh.

Poch was lucky he got Kane at his prime best. 

10 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I generally prefer giving managers time, and it makes sense given the amount that Tuchel was just backed. I doubt he would be fired before the break for the World Cup, but it probably depends how far the owners are prepared to let things slide before they make a decision. Do they accept this could be a forgettable season of midtable while we rebuild? Perhaps if they can see a bigger strategy and evidence of progress. But what if things get worse than that? This season reminds me more of Jose's last few months, and I remember Roman reluctantly stepped in then once we had fallen into the relegation zone.

I agree with the idea we should give him time and look at the bigger picture but I'm not sure I agree with the Jose comparison. We're still in September with half a squad of new players that haven't played together before. The defence especially needs time to gel and get a better understanding of each other. If we are still playing as bad in the second half of the season then I would agree with the Jose comparisons.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Financially that would certainly amount to a hit, and as you say there is the danger of missing out on players. But the gamble would be that we ultimately lay the foundations for a much better team in the long term. I suppose Arsenal have sort of taken that path under Arteta. They had a season out of Europe and threw away a Champs League spot at the end of last season. But they seem to have improved as a team this season.

This truly is a dark day when a Chelsea fan acknowledges Arteta's Arsenal as "well-run"

Simpsons did it. 

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

Financially that would certainly amount to a hit, and as you say there is the danger of missing out on players. But the gamble would be that we ultimately lay the foundations for a much better team in the long term. I suppose Arsenal have sort of taken that path under Arteta. They had a season out of Europe and threw away a Champs League spot at the end of last season. But they seem to have improved as a team this season.

At least under Arteta you could see they were trying to move to a progressive style of play and he was blooding a lot of youngsters in that as well. he overhauled the older players and got rid of players with attitudes like Aubameyang etc. (similar to what Lamps tried to do with Rudiger, Jorgi etc.) and then they recruited very well as well. 
 

None of those apply to us unfortunately, it’s a big gamble for the new owners either way that’s for sure.

3 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

 If we are still playing as bad in the second half of the season then I would agree with the Jose comparisons.

At this rate we will be mid table when we enter the second half of the season. 

5 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Stick with a manager who can’t get a single player in the squad to consistently look good? You can’t just stick with a manager in the hope they come good - is that not what everyone said about Frank? At least we had players who continually performed there. 
 

What we desperately need is a sporting director who will deal with transfer targets and choose a philosophy of play so that the coaching change doesn’t impact the overall plan. 
 

The football under Tuchel in the last 10-12 months has been awful. His record in the league and particularly at home is not good. Without his cup management he’s not impressed that much IMO so if we lose the cup runs, we’re in big trouble.

Look what we had to go through last season with Abramovic. Christ, for a while our very existence was seriously in question and he steered the team through that admirably. Think he needs and deserves time to get the new signings to gel. 

Feel there are still a fair number of supporters who resent TT for Lamps getting the boot and I get that. But the bloke won us the CL when he had no right to and for that and what he did last season when things were heavily stacked against us, he deserves our backing. For now at least.

Honestly i am perplexed as to how we play so badly! Why cant we play like the Tottenham game every game?

Is it the players are not motivated enough or the set up doesn't suit our players or is it that the players gave up on Tuchel and if they gave up on the manager thats just a disgrace from them and highly unprofessional. 

Atm there is not even one player that is playing well perhaps apart from Silva that is a huge concern. 

24 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

But that still doesn't answer who we bring in. Unless people want Brendan Rogers as a manger, firing Tuchel is a bad idea

A couple of names I'd dare to mention... Graham Potter and Gareth Southgate (post WC?)

Edited September 6, 20223 yr by the special one

2 minutes ago, Deino said:

This truly is a dark day when a Chelsea fan acknowledges Arteta's Arsenal as "well-run"

I hear you. That was typed with gnashing teeth, and I am still hoping they fall flat some time soon.

Just now, the special one said:

A couple of names I'd dare to mention... Graham Potter and Gareth Southgate (post WC?)

SOUTHGATE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Tuchel blaming our deliveries vs our inability to move the ball quickly through the channels. Like I said, when a manager resorts to swing in wide and pray to Allah, its the beginning of the end. 

I initially gave him until the WC but at this rate I dread to think where we will be come then. 

14 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Sarri is looking pretty good right now.

Top manager.

I swear that man gets so much disrespect because he's so unlikeable and looks like a sleazy uncle but he had us extremely well drilled and has performed well consistently at all his clubs.

He was also one of the only Managers that chose to go!

1 minute ago, Nibs said:

Look what we had to go through last season with Abramovic. Christ, for a while our very existence was seriously in question and he steered the team through that admirably. Think he needs and deserves time to get the new signings to gel. 

Feel there are still a fair number of supporters who resent TT for Lamps getting the boot and I get that. But the bloke won us the CL when he had no right to and for that and what he did last season when things were heavily stacked against us, he deserves our backing. For now at least.

That’s no excuse for the team looking like they’ve never met each other? How long does he get to use that excuse? Can you honestly say you enjoy watching us play Nibs? I genuinely can’t see where our next win comes. Tuchel’s win record at home is something absurd like 50% - that is really bad, you have to concede?

 

Robbie won the CL and we started the following season badly and he was out the door as well. 
If it was just unfortunate defeats I’d get what you’re saying - my biggest concern in all of this is the fact that not a single player in our squad is looking like a consistent performer.