You must be mad to think about sacking Tuchel 

7 minutes ago, just said:

Yep, possibly. One thing though Coco. The fans 100% did not turn on Lampard. The overwhelming majority were happy to give him all the he time he needed. Roman, however, in keeping with his style, was not. And if he were still in charge Tuchel would be a very, very worried man at the moment.

Like I said though, IMO, Tuchel deserves more time. But there are potential alternatives out there and Graham Potter is currently one of them.

The match day fans didn't turn on Frank like Sarri that's for sure. But then again a lot of Franks games were behind closed doors or limited numbers. I wanted Frank to stay so bad, but when he was sacked and Tuchel came in i was behind him from day one, i just want us to go 4-5 years with Tuchel and see what he can do.

Anyway was more implying the fans on here, the fans that only come here to post when we lose, or don't win a game which we should of won, they love a crisis, first sniff of one and they start sharpening the knives.

Is it really a coincidence that the top two teams in the league have the longest serving managers in the league ?

6 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Potter

Harry? I'm sure we would benefit from a bit of wizardry

20 minutes ago, Mod said:

My guess is he would've been long gone by now and started the season with a new manager!

Yes. I think there were decent odds on that. Although, while that had achieved results many times before I am not sure that strategy would have been a good move this time. One of the reasons the squad is in such need of an overhaul has been this constant repeating 1-2 year cycle of new managers for the last decade or so with no obvious long term strategy. 

1 hour ago, coco said:

I said why, he wouldn't be afforded the time by our fan base, they wont accept mid table for a season or so, if he failed to get top four in his first two seasons the fans would turn on him, even Frank didn't get much time. 

Fans are already moaning about Tuchels management and talking about his replacement, despite everything he's done for us in such a short time, so imagine how long Potter would get if we were not inside top 4, even for one season.

I dont think we'd be mid table under potter. He kept Brighton up, which was above most people's expectations and then got them top half, way above expectations. 

Why do you think if he took over a top 4 squad we'd sink? He's never shown that in his career. Every team he's managed has punched above their weight, and he's out tacticted the best in the world at times 

12 minutes ago, coco said:

The match day fans didn't turn on Frank like Sarri that's for sure. But then again a lot of Franks games were behind closed doors or limited numbers. I wanted Frank to stay so bad, but when he was sacked and Tuchel came in i was behind him from day one, i just want us to go 4-5 years with Tuchel and see what he can do.

Anyway was more implying the fans on here, the fans that only come here to post when we lose, or don't win a game which we should of won, they love a crisis, first sniff of one and they start sharpening the knives.

Is it really a coincidence that the top two teams in the league have the longest serving managers in the league ?

Wouldn't disagree with any of that Coco. 

6 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

I dont think we'd be mid table under potter. He kept Brighton up, which was above most people's expectations and then got them top half, way above expectations. 

Why do you think if he took over a top 4 squad we'd sink? He's never shown that in his career. Every team he's managed has punched above their weight, and he's out tacticted the best in the world at times 

I'm not against him, but i'm right behind Tuchel, maybe in 2-4 years time ? He won't get a bigger gig other than England before then.

2 hours ago, coco said:

I'm not against him, but i'm right behind Tuchel, maybe in 2-4 years time ? He won't get a bigger gig other than England before then.

Don't think you can Argue the England job is bigger than Chelsea or Brighton.

The Premier league is the absolute peak, international football is a dreadful irrelevant dirge.

It always makes me laugh when managers like Potter, Howe or other young promising managers are linked with the England job.

There's a reason why England ended up with Southgate after Gareth proved he wasn't good enough to manage in the Premier league.

40 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Don't think you can Argue the England job is bigger than Chelsea or Brighton.

The Premier league is the absolute peak, international football is a dreadful irrelevant dirge.

It always makes me laugh when managers like Potter, Howe or other young promising managers are linked with the England job.

There's a reason why England ended up with Southgate after Gareth proved he wasn't good enough to manage in the Premier league.

Agreed. I would rather see England hiring managers who have managed the biggest clubs. So they have some idea of the pressure involved in the role. I think Eddie Howe might be ready for England after a year or 2 at Newcastle.

Graham Potter should be in the running for one of the top jobs next time there is a vacancy. If that happens to be at Chelsea, then I would definitely be happy to see him given a chance.

 

13 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

I thought Ruben was terrible myself.

Refusing to strike the ball when running onto a 1 vs 1 from about 8 yards out is one of the worst passages of play I've genuinely ever seen on a football pitch.

Reece Buries that, any other fullback I can think of at least takes the shot.

Ruben always wants 3 touches too many.

So, we are going to judge player based only one one play 😅😅

 

13 hours ago, Kev56 said:

Ever since Costa left we’ve lacked a proper goal scorer, no one since then has been what i think we need. The fat f**k was never going to work, the other lot are not in that bracket, same as sterling as good at what he does. Literally wasted hundreds of millions trying to solve the problem. Surely with our world wide scouting there is a f**king  goal scorer out there somewhere? I hear a lot of people saying it’s not the problem, that we need to sort out the midfield, I agree with that as well but for f**k sake the untold goal opportunities pathetically  wasted by our so called ‘attack’ is really incredible Werner alone must have been 20a season, the fat £100m c**t another example, throw in another half a dozen and it runs into hundreds. We then spend a lot on Sterling, same again, good at what he does but not a prolific goal machine. So frustrating. 

I don't think people understand what being asked from our forward. They need to create, they need to score, they need to press and they need to do tactical duty and they need to be comfortable playing in heavy possession football. I mean just look at sterling. At City, he was either playing as pedro or as winger. With us he is Hazard. 😱😱

Let me just use another player as example, Haaland. If he can stay healthy (a big if), I think he will get 30+ goals easily this season. He pretty much fit the proper goal scorer that you are looking for. 

But imo he will look awful playing for us. His goal getter game is already at elite level but his link up play is hit and miss and need a lot of polish. With city he can do a lot of goal getting and do some link up play. With us it is impossible, he need to do a lot of both. It will be Lukaku all over again. 

 

Edited August 26, 20223 yr by Bob stark

Seen a few people say that 'If Roman was still here Tuchel would've been sacked by now'. I don't think this is the case to be honest. We finished third last season, and were 2 missed penalties away from winning the FA Cup and Carabao Cup and were firmly in the title race until injuries to key players hurt us and really highlighted our lack of quality in depth. I actually think it's a credit to Tuchel that despite the injuries we suffered, we still managed to finish 3rd and were never actually any lower than that for the whole season.

In terms of this season - Roman never sacked a manager after just 3 games so it's pointless even going down that road.

Everytime this comes up I ask the question who do we get if we sack Tuchel? Graham Potter is the first sensible answer I've seen, and as much as I like him I think he would need at least 2-3 years to get going properly. But why not give that time to Tuchel who has already shown that he is an excellent manager who is capable of getting us competing and winning the occasional trophy. I maintain that getting rid of him now would be a step backwards regardless of who comes in next. 

I will say - I think the football could be a bit more adventurous, but I am not too worried about that as we played some great football from August to November/ December last season, then we had a bit of an injury crisis. Even so I think we still showed glimpses of it in the second half of the season. I do believe that with a fully fit squad and our key players playing regularly, that the shackles will come off slightly and the football will start to look a bit better again.

Roman may or may not have already sacked Tuchel by now. We will never know. But I can 100% guarantee that if he had, I would've claimed it was the wrong decision. Just like I think it would be wrong to sack him now. Not that I think he is in any trouble whatsoever.

Brentford’s manager, is proving to be a good manager, plays attacking, high intensity style, also he seems very personable, I like his ways..

9 hours ago, coco said:

I'm not against him, but i'm right behind Tuchel, maybe in 2-4 years time ? He won't get a bigger gig other than England before then.

What are you expecting to see in 2-4 years time? He's already maxxed out Brighton's potential, the next step is our level. 

I'm also right behind tuchel, this is purely speculating on a tuchel sacking in the winter if he doesn't improve. 

And if tuchel goes then, I can't think of a manager I'd prefer. 

56 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

Seen a few people say that 'If Roman was still here Tuchel would've been sacked by now'. I don't think this is the case to be honest. We finished third last season, and were 2 missed penalties away from winning the FA Cup and Carabao Cup and were firmly in the title race until injuries to key players hurt us and really highlighted our lack of quality in depth. I actually think it's a credit to Tuchel that despite the injuries we suffered, we still managed to finish 3rd and were never actually any lower than that for the whole season.

In terms of this season - Roman never sacked a manager after just 3 games so it's pointless even going down that road.

Everytime this comes up I ask the question who do we get if we sack Tuchel? Graham Potter is the first sensible answer I've seen, and as much as I like him I think he would need at least 2-3 years to get going properly. But why not give that time to Tuchel who has already shown that he is an excellent manager who is capable of getting us competing and winning the occasional trophy. I maintain that getting rid of him now would be a step backwards regardless of who comes in next. 

I will say - I think the football could be a bit more adventurous, but I am not too worried about that as we played some great football from August to November/ December last season, then we had a bit of an injury crisis. Even so I think we still showed glimpses of it in the second half of the season. I do believe that with a fully fit squad and our key players playing regularly, that the shackles will come off slightly and the football will start to look a bit better again.

Roman may or may not have already sacked Tuchel by now. We will never know. But I can 100% guarantee that if he had, I would've claimed it was the wrong decision. Just like I think it would be wrong to sack him now. Not that I think he is in any trouble whatsoever.

I agree with this. I've not disagreed with any Roman sacking. Sarri wasn't sacked, they wanted him to stay (as did I). I'd disagree with tuchel going now. 

Tuchel won't get sacked unless we fail to get to top 4. That is my prediction. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Let me just use another player as example, Haaland. If he can stay healthy (a big if), I think he will get 30+ goals easily this season. He pretty much fit the proper goal scorer that you are looking for. 

 

But imo he will look awful playing for us. His goal getter game is already at elite level but his link up play is hit and miss and need a lot of polish. With city he can do a lot of goal getting and do some link up play. With us it is impossible, he need to do a lot of both. It will be Lukaku all over again. 

 

Well, I totally disagree. These worldclass strikers score their goals no matter who is on the bench.
Mbappe scored tons of goals with Tuchel as his coach on the bench. Kane was doing this with Mourinho, Pochettino or Conte. And the same we can now watch with Haaland, that this guy  is scoring in  Bundesliga, Premier League or on  the moon.

The problem with our transfers is: we dont have a worldclass striker like Haaland here. So I cannot prove you wrong and you cannot prove me wrong.

Tuchel will be given the whole of the season I think. 
though if we don’t deliver something this year then questions will need to be asked 

47 minutes ago, Jezq8 said:

Tuchel will be given the whole of the season I think. 
though if we don’t deliver something this year then questions will need to be asked 

It’s all well and good giving a manager time but what if you lose or draw more games during that season, your league position doesn’t stay the same during that run.

At what point do you say enough is enough and change staff? Bottom 3 of the league at Christmas? Jose level in late 2015?

I’m not being a dick or advocating Tommy to go now, just genuinely interested in when fans think that it’s time to change manager?

19 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

It can be, and it has been for a while though, but do you think this is how he wants it to be? The type of performance vs Tottenham, our Champions League winning run and those first few months before injuries kicked in last season is surely enough evidence of how Tuchel wants us to play. Pay attention to Tuchel on the touchline, you can clearly see him constantly telling the players to wake up and improve the tempo. Some players in this squad seem incapable of doing it for more than a few games, they also respond terribly to set backs. Maybe this squad just isn't mentally equiped to peform at a high level for a full season.

You’ve hit the nail on the head regarding the squad’s biggest issue; consistency. We’re just not a consistent team. They’re able to gear themselves up for a one off bout (much to the detriment of the top teams at the top table).

 

How much of the performance against Spurs comes down to how awful they were in the first half? My friend is a Spurs fan and he was adamant he’d never seen Spurs play that badly in some time, including when we spanked them last year.

 

There are a lot of things wrong with this squad. Tuchel isn’t the primary reason as to why the team is not clicking and isn’t consistent; however, he gets paid millions and millions of pounds a year so it is down to him to make changes and identify where we’re going wrong.

 

This is why, ultimately, you have to give Tuchel this season. If it’s the same sh*t next year after he’s put £300mil in to the team… Auf Weidersen Tommy, pack your bags.

13 hours ago, coco said:

The match day fans didn't turn on Frank like Sarri that's for sure. But then again a lot of Franks games were behind closed doors or limited numbers. I wanted Frank to stay so bad, but when he was sacked and Tuchel came in i was behind him from day one, i just want us to go 4-5 years with Tuchel and see what he can do.

Anyway was more implying the fans on here, the fans that only come here to post when we lose, or don't win a game which we should of won, they love a crisis, first sniff of one and they start sharpening the knives.

Is it really a coincidence that the top two teams in the league have the longest serving managers in the league ?

They are 2 of the top 3 in the world though

10 minutes ago, ducavis said:

They are 2 of the top 3 in the world though

Yes probably, but neither of them won anything until their 2nd full season. Tuchel is just starting his 2nd full season.

15 minutes ago, thebluekid said:

 

This is why, ultimately, you have to give Tuchel this season. If it’s the same sh*t next year after he’s put £300mil in to the team… Auf Weidersen Tommy, pack your bags.

And if going into the world cup we are sat in 10th position and our top scorer is jorginho. Does he get the second half of the season?

3 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

And if going into the world cup we are sat in 10th position and our top scorer is jorginho. Does he get the second half of the season?

Genuine question - is there any value in changing the manager when maybe 80-90% of the squad will be away for the best part of a month?

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

And if going into the world cup we are sat in 10th position and our top scorer is jorginho. Does he get the second half of the season?

Obviously yes J5 golden shoe!

Anyway, I think no matter how it goes Tuchel is going to have a tough time in the future cause next season we won't have Kante nor Jorginho, probably no more T.Silva either and so on so Tuchel or not, whoever is there is going to need some epic rebuilding to do all over the place. And no more Roman to help out.