Come on lads let's give him a break,luckily he didn't cost us the game but the pressure of playing for Palace and Chels is massive,he is just trying to hard to impress,he probably just needs the older experienced players in the team to sit down with him.

We need a DM (or Kante) to play alongside him. He is a box-to-box midfielder who is comfortable playing in the attacking areas. We basically don't have personnel to play the system Tuchel plays. Why not go for 3 man midfield....would like to see Mount in midfield with Conor and a DM. 

3 hours ago, evissy said:

We need a DM (or Kante) to play alongside him. He is a box-to-box midfielder who is comfortable playing in the attacking areas. We basically don't have personnel to play the system Tuchel plays. Why not go for 3 man midfield....would like to see Mount in midfield with Conor and a DM. 

     Jorginho
Kovacic Gallagher

 

 

I don't like the narrative going around that we should treat him differently just because he is a Chelsea fan and one of our own. He was terrible yesterday, he was terrible against Leeds, not terrible in a way that you think it's an off day, more like in a way where he looks horribly out of his depth. He cannot play CM and I don't think we should wait and see if he can adapt to it, that's a sure-fire way for us to lose points, something we can't afford to do after the start our rivals have had.

We didn't make allowances for Bakayoko or Saul, so we shouldn't do the same for Gallagher. I'm not saying we should give up on him, but I am also struggling to see where he will fit in our system.

Gilmour was probably more suited to us, Gallagher seems a bit of a relic.. he’d be perfect in late 2000’s/noughties period, box to box midfielder. Now though, seems a bit of a square peg. With the way Tuchel sets up, I’m surprised he was so keen to keep him. 

We have zero natural DM's now that Kante is injured. 

29 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't like the narrative going around that we should treat him differently just because he is a Chelsea fan and one of our own. He was terrible yesterday, he was terrible against Leeds, not terrible in a way that you think it's an off day, more like in a way where he looks horribly out of his depth. He cannot play CM and I don't think we should wait and see if he can adapt to it, that's a sure-fire way for us to lose points, something we can't afford to do after the start our rivals have had.

We didn't make allowances for Bakayoko or Saul, so we shouldn't do the same for Gallagher. I'm not saying we should give up on him, but I am also struggling to see where he will fit in our system.

This is a good point and one I echo. I would love for this lad to be the next big thing but we have said before the Premier league is not a proving ground for young talent. Hard as it may be you have to hit the ground running and slot in almost immediately. 

Bakayoko was only, what 22 or 23, new to the league and was sent off in 30 minds against Watford. He was rightly hammered for it because he looked out of his depth in most of the games leading up to it. 

We can't have it both wats just because Gallagher is from the Academy. 

However, I will say that this appears to be another player that TT is not playing in his favoured position.

26 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Gilmour was probably more suited to us, Gallagher seems a bit of a relic.. he’d be perfect in late 2000’s/noughties period, box to box midfielder. Now though, seems a bit of a square peg. With the way Tuchel sets up, I’m surprised he was so keen to keep him. 

A goal scoring midfielder is a relic?  😱😱

 

 

 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I don't like the narrative going around that we should treat him differently just because he is a Chelsea fan and one of our own. He was terrible yesterday, he was terrible against Leeds, not terrible in a way that you think it's an off day, more like in a way where he looks horribly out of his depth. He cannot play CM and I don't think we should wait and see if he can adapt to it, that's a sure-fire way for us to lose points, something we can't afford to do after the start our rivals have had.

We didn't make allowances for Bakayoko or Saul, so we shouldn't do the same for Gallagher. I'm not saying we should give up on him, but I am also struggling to see where he will fit in our system.

Baka and Saul got LOADS of games. Gallagher has just played his second game for us!

The lad is only 22 and is trying to hard to impress after a very good season at Palace. He is a box to box player who WILL score us goals if we use him correctly (more than Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante and RLC combined). 

Can't believe the stick he is getting on here. Yes, he has had two (or one and a 1 and 1/4!) games he will want to put behind him but let's give the lad a break and not write him off after 2 games FFS!!

Just now, Nibs said:

Baka and Saul got LOADS of games. Gallagher has just played his second game for us!

The lad is only 22 and is trying to hard to impress after a very good season at Palace. He is a box to box player who WILL score us goals if we use him correctly (more than Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante and RLC combined). 

Can't believe the stick he is getting on here. Yes, he has had two (or one and a 1 and 1/4!) games he will want to put behind him but let's give the lad a break and not write him off after 2 games FFS!!

I don't think anyone is writing him off but acknowledging a disconcerting start. Would we really be surprised If TT shipped him out on loan now. I hope not. I hope he gets with the pace and scores straight after his ban to get his confidence up cos at 5he moment it's looking a little bit of a step up.

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I don't think anyone is writing him off but acknowledging a disconcerting start. Would we really be surprised If TT shipped him out on loan now. I hope not. I hope he gets with the pace and scores straight after his ban to get his confidence up cos at 5he moment it's looking a little bit of a step up.

Reading this thread and comments like "not Chelsea standard" and "clearly out of his depth" is as close to writing off as you can get!

5 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Reading this thread and comments like "not Chelsea standard" and "clearly out of his depth" is as close to writing off as you can get!

Are you not surprised, what is 'Chelsea std', cos its a level behind Liverpool and Mancity std, aint it

3 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Baka and Saul got LOADS of games. Gallagher has just played his second game for us!

The lad is only 22 and is trying to hard to impress after a very good season at Palace. He is a box to box player who WILL score us goals if we use him correctly (more than Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante and RLC combined). 

Can't believe the stick he is getting on here. Yes, he has had two (or one and a 1 and 1/4!) games he will want to put behind him but let's give the lad a break and not write him off after 2 games FFS!!

I remember Saul's debut against Villa, we could spot instantly how out of his depth he was and Tuchel hooked him off at half time. Also, I am not writing him off, at least not entirely, I am saying in that role he was playing in the system we play, I do not see him adapting. It's not in his game to be playing possession football and having the discipline to hold his line and time when to attack and when to defend. He loves to be in the thick of the action in attacking areas. Carry on playing him CM and we will see more performances like we saw against Leeds and Leicester.

It's attacking midfield or nothing for Gallagher, but we don't play with a typical CAM because of our 3-4-3 formation, so I don't know where he fits.

17 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Reading this thread and comments like "not Chelsea standard" and "clearly out of his depth" is as close to writing off as you can get!

Yes, fair point. I don't even know what Chelsea standard is supposed to mean. Clearly people who have never seen the likes of Doug Rougvie playing for us.  But my point really is that it is a hard unforgiving stage. If he gets another chance now he will need to deliver and I think that may be difficult if he is not being played in the position and system that suits him best.

What this system is by the way, bu88ered if I know

37 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I remember Saul's debut against Villa, we could spot instantly how out of his depth he was and Tuchel hooked him off at half time. Also, I am not writing him off, at least not entirely, I am saying in that role he was playing in the system we play, I do not see him adapting. It's not in his game to be playing possession football and having the discipline to hold his line and time when to attack and when to defend. He loves to be in the thick of the action in attacking areas. Carry on playing him CM and we will see more performances like we saw against Leeds and Leicester.

It's attacking midfield or nothing for Gallagher, but we don't play with a typical CAM because of our 3-4-3 formation, so I don't know where he fits.

Well, you’re saying “He cannot play CM and I don't think we should wait and see if he can adapt to it” while comparing him to Bakayoko and Saul after two games for us, ignoring him having been chosen player of the year at Crystal Palace. You may not mean it, but it sound like giving up on him. He’s PL proven, young, Chelsea man and eager to succeed here. He’s being played out of position and he’s bound to make rash decisions trying too hard to make it at his Club. Writing him off? Certainly we should nuot even think about that this early in the season. Maybe Tuchel could start playing him further up with Mason, behind Sterling and Havertz, that would be a start.

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

A goal scoring midfielder is a relic?  😱😱

Anyone giving Gallagher the ‘eye-test’ in a Tuchel setup can clearly see this is a guy born in the wrong generation to be a Chelsea box-to-box midfielder, there isn’t a natural place for him here.. he doesn’t look right. Gallagher hasn’t got the profile we need in that area to replace Jorginho or Kante, the only areas of the pitch available for him to fill. Gilmour looked more suited to us as mentioned..

I hope I’m wrong but I just can’t see it.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

We have zero natural DM's now that Kante is injured. 

Kante got a lot of flack last season from myself included but god damn he is going to take some replacing.

Gallagher is the right man at the wrong time, inject him into the team post-2010-2016 and we have the new Lampard. 

1 hour ago, RMH said:

Well, you’re saying “He cannot play CM and I don't think we should wait and see if he can adapt to it” while comparing him to Bakayoko and Saul after two games for us, ignoring him having been chosen player of the year at Crystal Palace. You may not mean it, but it sound like giving up on him. He’s PL proven, young, Chelsea man and eager to succeed here. He’s being played out of position and he’s bound to make rash decisions trying too hard to make it at his Club. Writing him off? Certainly we should nuot even think about that this early in the season. Maybe Tuchel could start playing him further up with Mason, behind Sterling and Havertz, that would be a start.

I compared him to those players because that is exactly what he played like. I also never wrote him off. As a CM, yes, but as a player overall, no. I just don't see him ever making it as a CM with us and I don't think we should even bother trying to force it, it's just going to hurt us in the long run. He has no discipline in his positioning and he doesn't have the vision, passing ability or awareness to play the role. He also doesn't know when to push forward or when to hold. He was Crystal Palace's player of the season, but he was their player of the season playing higher up the pitch in a counter attacking team, how does that help him playing CM for Chelsea? It would be like telling Havertz to play DM.

Tuchel playing him further up the pitch with the players you mentioned around him would require a complete shift in how we play. The back 3 would have to go, and who is going to play DM? I would hate for Jorginho to play DM in a back 4 formation, the defence would be exposed. Kante can't do it, he's always injured and doesn't have the defensive discipline to hold his position, he likes to get involved up and down the pitch.

The only way I can see Gallagher working for us at this moment is if he is rotating with Mount.

Apparently Everton are looking to sign him and Broja, either on loan or on permanent deals. Thought they were skint?

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently Everton are looking to sign him and Broja, either on loan or on permanent deals. Thought they were skint?

They are going to take our £60m for Gordon and then give it straight back to us by signing Broja and Gallagher for £30m each 😆

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

They are going to take our £60m for Gordon and then give it straight back to us by signing Broja and Gallagher for £30m each 😆

Good way of making ourselves a big laughing stock.

5 hours ago, Term_X said:

Anyone giving Gallagher the ‘eye-test’ in a Tuchel setup can clearly see this is a guy born in the wrong generation to be a Chelsea box-to-box midfielder, there isn’t a natural place for him here.. he doesn’t look right. Gallagher hasn’t got the profile we need in that area to replace Jorginho or Kante, the only areas of the pitch available for him to fill. Gilmour looked more suited to us as mentioned..

I hope I’m wrong but I just can’t see it.

It is actually easy to incorporate because city has been using gundo in very similar manner. 

Sterling - Kai - Mount 

Gallagher - Kova

          Jorginho 

Cucu - 2 CB - James

Push James very high 

Sterling - Gallagher - Kai - Mount - James 

Jorgi - Kova

Cucu - 2cb

The key here is jorgi we want both Gallagher and Sterling to attack the box from Reece crosses which mean he has to defend runner. 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Term_X said:

Kante got a lot of flack last season from myself included but god damn he is going to take some replacing.

Gallagher is the right man at the wrong time, inject him into the team post-2010-2016 and we have the new Lampard. 

Kante is irreplaceable. You don't find another Kante like you don't find another Lampard. You have to build out the rest of the squad to cover what he could provide as an individual. 

Gallagher will be fine but he'll be sharing time with Mount moreso than covering Kante imo. We'll be looking at Bellingham/Rice types to be deeper players next summer to cover for Jorginho and Kante likely moving on. Our concern really is that we don't have a defensively minded mid apart from Kante. I'm guessing we'll see more of James in there as time goes on ala Kimmich at Bayern.

34 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

We'll be looking at Bellingham/Rice types to be deeper players next summer to cover for Jorginho and Kante likely moving on. Our concern really is that we don't have a defensively minded mid apart from Kante. I'm guessing we'll see more of James in there as time goes on ala Kimmich at Bayern.

Cucurella should be playing DM in this system. He has great energy but we miss Chilwell's sheer speed at fullback.