2 hours ago, Deino said:

Can't Tuchel at least try Conor in Mount's position because as things stand, both are in terrible form.

Maybe in the game after Soton

I think Conor plays best in a mid 3 as the advanced player or as an AM/second striker.. putting him out wide will be madness .. he doesn’t have the skill set to go past people with pace and trickery..

the fact that mount has been able to perform our wide shows his talent and adaptability.. he never played there for derby or prior to that..

another case of square pegs in round holes

On 17/08/2022 at 13:39, Gol15 said:

Ideally he should play further up, along side Mount. Let's face it, he's that similar type of a player.

Release him from the defensive tasks that Kante does and focus on his best abilities, by playing him further up the pitch. He is going to do it better than Havertz because he is used to that position from the 4-3-3, Havertz needs the 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1 and solo space in the middle, Gallagher doesn't need that much I think.

Obviously we need someone like Fofana so that James can play as the wing-back so that RLC can be in the middle with Jorginho. Literally that final CB transfer can enable Gallagher and in that case we could save ourselves the 40-50m that were going for Gordon. Not the final fix but, Gallagher did have 8 PL goals last season so I see no reason why he wouldn't be playing with Mount, he can finish and he can press with him.

 

I'd take 35m for him tbh. Doesn't suit Tuchel's system, so unless we're going to a back 4 any time soon the money would be of more use. 

8 hours ago, Deino said:

Can't Tuchel at least try Conor in Mount's position because as things stand, both are in terrible form.

Maybe in the game after Soton

But then all were doing is replacing Mount who`s been pushed into playing a position he wasn't suitable for, with Gallagher in a position he isn't suitable for.

7 minutes ago, dkw said:

But then all were doing is replacing Mount who`s been pushed into playing a position he wasn't suitable for, with Gallagher in a position he isn't suitable for.

Tuchel loves doing that though.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'd take 35m for him tbh. Doesn't suit Tuchel's system, so unless we're going to a back 4 any time soon the money would be of more use. 

£35M seems too cheap in this market.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'd take 35m for him tbh. Doesn't suit Tuchel's system, so unless we're going to a back 4 any time soon the money would be of more use. 

35m for a young England international in a position teams are desperate to fill, who`s Premier League proven, won player of the year at his last club? Are you having a laugh, have you seen the price some of the dross has moved for this season.  Morgan Gibbs-White moved to Forest for £42.5m, if thats used as a benchmark then Gallagher is worth at least £65m

8 hours ago, Jangz said:

I think Conor plays best in a mid 3 as the advanced player or as an AM/second striker.. putting him out wide will be madness .. he doesn’t have the skill set to go past people with pace and trickery..

the fact that mount has been able to perform our wide shows his talent and adaptability.. he never played there for derby or prior to that..

another case of square pegs in round holes

I see yout point but Mount doesn't beat his man out wide either, it's always been a delay until James is there before moving central for a one-two pass. 

The James assist in the last game was done by Havertz moving out wide to create confusion and Mount dropping in. 

Gallagher's best football is when he comes into the area to score. Him playing closer to the 10yard box is better than him giving away silly fouls tbh. 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

But then all were doing is replacing Mount who`s been pushed into playing a position he wasn't suitable for, with Gallagher in a position he isn't suitable for.

Yes but at least it's something. We can't keep playing an off form Mount again and again in hopes that he magically regains form

2 hours ago, dkw said:

35m for a young England international in a position teams are desperate to fill, who`s Premier League proven, won player of the year at his last club? Are you having a laugh, have you seen the price some of the dross has moved for this season.  Morgan Gibbs-White moved to Forest for £42.5m, if thats used as a benchmark then Gallagher is worth at least £65m

Honestly it is a big shame if there is no spot for conor in this team.

On 30/08/2022 at 03:18, Spiller86 said:

Gallagher is all about the attacking element. We'd be crazy not to play him further up field if we get some decent cover behind. As you say long season and Mason can't be playing 50 plus games plus the WC.

It's the only way I can see him fitting in this team, so with Mount badly out of form, I see no reason not to try it.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

It's the only way I can see him fitting in this team, so with Mount badly out of form, I see no reason not to try it.

against West Ham Gallagher will play together with Jorginho in defensive midfield. There is no midfielder left who can play there after the injuries of Kante and RLC. Kovacic is not fit for 90 minutes yet.

47 minutes ago, TheGermanOne said:

against West Ham Gallagher will play together with Jorginho in defensive midfield. There is no midfielder left who can play there after the injuries of Kante and RLC. Kovacic is not fit for 90 minutes yet.

I'd try one of Chalobah (assuming fit) or Ampadu alongside Jorginho in the pivot, with Gallagher central in the 3 in a 4-2-3-1, and Mount either wide right or on the bench ... probably wide right thinking about it, as even in his current form I think he is a better option than Ziyech or Pulisic.

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'd try one of Chalobah (assuming fit) or Ampadu alongside Jorginho in the pivot, with Gallagher central in the 3 in a 4-2-3-1, and Mount either wide right or on the bench ... probably wide right thinking about it, as even in his current form I think he is a better option than Ziyech or Pulisic.

Chalobah may not be our ideal DM, but if we don't sign one he is the best we have and needed ahead of a back 4 without Kante.

Getting plenty of chances but is failing to impress. He's had his chance as a 6, 8 and basically as a 10 now. Failed to convince anywhere.

Tuchel even lost it with him today at some point when he failed to pass forward into space.

Bit of a worry. He does look a level or two below whats required if i'm honest.

Disappointing so far. Tuesday is another good chance for him.

I would say it is nerves more than anything, he clearly showed at Crystal Palace that he can play.

We did the same thing with players like Salah & KDB.

Edited September 4, 20223 yr by Malcolm9

It's sad that if we had signed him for £40m from Palace then he would be getting a lot more leeway from our fans, but because he's an English academy graduate being played out of position he's getting pelters.

As i keep saying, this guy is literally Mason Mount version 2 but not as good. He's a high energy 8, you either play him there or dont play him at all.

But i keep forgetting we have a manager who loves playing players out of position.

4 hours ago, jack_super_class said:

As i keep saying, this guy is literally Mason Mount version 2 but not as good. He's a high energy 8, you either play him there or dont play him at all.

But i keep forgetting we have a manager who loves playing players out of position.

You are more or less right.

His issue is he doesn't have the technical ability to play Tuchel ball.  He would actually be fine under a Mourinho or Conte system I suspect.

8 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

You are more or less right.

His issue is he doesn't have the technical ability to play Tuchel ball.  He would actually be fine under a Mourinho or Conte system I suspect.

Peak Frank Lampard wouldn't be fit for Tuchel ball. You can't expect attacking players to thrive when you have a manager that wants to be as cautious as possible in the build up. Tuchel for me sends mixed signals to the players in what he wants and its becoming ever apparent. Can't blame Jorginho anymore. 

Have two midfielders behind Gallagher and give him a free role to win the ball up the pitch and to be aggressive in attack. Instruct the two midfielders in the pivot along with the wing/full backs to be more direct in the build up, and we then have a system tailored to our entire team. 

This cautious, possession approach is fine against the Top 6 where space will be vacant. 

Edited September 4, 20223 yr by Sconnie Blue

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Peak Frank Lampard wouldn't be fit for Tuchel ball. You can't expect attacking players to thrive when you have a manager that wants to be a cautious as possible in the build up. Tuchel for me sends mixed signals to the players in what he wants and its becoming ever apparent. Can't blame Jorginho anymore. 

Have two midfielders behind Gallagher and give him a free role to win the ball up the pitch and to be aggressive in attack. Instructure the two midfielders in the pivot alone with the wing/full backs to be more direct in the build up, and we then have a system tailored to genuinely our entire team. 

This cautious, possession approach is fine against the Top 6 where space will be vacant. 

Tuchel is addicted to having 3 central defenders which preclude the luxury of fielding Gallagher as a central attacking midfielder. 

And to be honest, even if we do end up having a free-role attacking midfielder, Gallagher would probably be third in the pecking order after Havertz and Mount for that role.

12 minutes ago, Whiskyjack said:

Tuchel is addicted to having 3 central defenders which preclude the luxury of fielding Gallagher as a central attacking midfielder. 

And to be honest, even if we do end up having a free-role attacking midfielder, Gallagher would probably be third in the pecking order after Havertz and Mount for that role.

Mount maybe, not Havertz. 

Havertz at this point needs to be a 2nd ST. 

Give him the season and see what he can do. We won’t lose any money on him at this point. Could be an interesting component of a Rice deal as well?

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Have two midfielders behind Gallagher and give him a free role to win the ball up the pitch and to be aggressive in attack.

He's not creative enough to fill that kind of role. Nor a good enough passer.