2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently after Raphinha turned us down we spent time diving in to data and found Gordon to be our second choice for a qide forward who runs about and can play wingback...

It might work if we can have enough crosses going into the box and enough players in there to potentially get on the end of them. I have my doubts ... on both counts 🙂 

9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

This. 

Lot of people are claiming Tuchel is 'safe', when in reality he really isn't. We are no longer owned by a man who is willing to write of losses, we are owned by investors that want a return in profit. 

This goes tits up, only one person to point at. 

Does he care? Will just get his severance pay and move on. 

1 minute ago, Edjmendy said:

Does he care? Will just get his severance pay and move on. 

And he'll show the entire world he is incapable of building an attack. 

Do we really need the scouse Pulisic when we already have the OG here?

Are we trying to have a monopoly on wingers that can't score or assist?

22 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

With the big big caveat that Sterling has had considerable attacking quality behind and alongside him at City that we simply don't have ... 

Don't buy that argument one bit. Sterling also performed in a Brendan Rodgers liverpool team.

Give a different manager Cities team and you won't get the same results. Pep has improved all his players and they have all been coached into his style of football. We've likely spent more money or close too on our attacking players than city have.

Sterling is ready made and good to go. He has to hit the ground running and if he doesn't that falls on the manager for not getting the best out of him.

 

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by Sheva

Far as i'm concerned, the shovel is already in Tuchel's hands. 

He doesn't want to address the midfield (which is a glaring issue) and Tuchel is now prioritizing a player when the entire world is scratching their heads. Tuchel needs to show us why the midfield doesn't need to be addressed and why Gordon is a good fit for our team when the likes of Jesus or Neto aren't. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Far as i'm concerned, the shovel is already in Tuchel's hands. 

He doesn't want to address the midfield (which is a glaring issue) and Tuchel is now prioritizing a player when the entire world is scratching their heads. Tuchel needs to show us why the midfield doesn't need to be addressed and why Gordon is a good fit for our team when the likes of Jesus or Neto aren't. 

Even Man U are spending money on CL winning and quality players like Casemiro and Antony and this is what we buy???

Gordon has an £18m market value on Transfermarkt ... sounds about right given there will be a fair bit of "English" tax in that as well  ...

£60m is astonishing. And highly embarrassing ... so much for using cutting edge analytics to identify good value in the market !!!

Whatever next I wonder ... starting to feel like I am watching a slow motion train wreck ... 

36 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Don't buy that argument one bit. Sterling also performed in a Brendan Rodgers liverpool team.

Give a different manager Cities team and you won't get the same results. Pep has improved all his players and they have all been coached into his style of football. We've likely spent more money or close too on our attacking players than city have.

Sterling is ready made and good to go. He has to hit the ground running and if he doesn't that falls on the manager for not getting the best out of him.

 

Not really ... this is his Liverpool record, and that doesn't look any different numbers-wise to what we've seen from Werner, Pulisic, havertz, Ziyech, Mount etc etc 

He's basically twice as productive at City as he was at Liverpool (a goal every 2.5 games vs a goal every 5 games), mostly due to playing alongside a superb set of attacking midfielders and forwards.

 

Yes we have spent a lot of money on forwards, but that is no guarantee of quality, as we have seen from the techniques of the likes of Lukaku and Werner. I won't even mention Pulisic as that seems almost cruel LOL.

And now it's being touted that we will spend £60M for Anthony Gordon, which is a huge amount of money,  Not exactly Kevin De Bruyne is he ?

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by Sexyfootball

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Gordon has an £18m market value on Transfermarkt ... sounds about right given there will be a fair bit of "English" tax in that as well  ...

£60m is astonishing. And highly embarrassing ... so much for using cutting edge analytics to identify good value in the market !!!

Whatever next I wonder ... starting to feel like I am watching a slow motion train wreck ... 

Problem is we've dusted off the cutting edge analytics machine from the 1980s and it keeps coming up with this Gordon fella.

 

14 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Not really ... this is his Liverpool record, and that doesn't look any different numbers-wise to what we've seen from Werner, Pulisic, havertz, Ziyech, Mount etc etc 

He's basically twice as productive at City as he was at Liverpool (a goal every 2.5 games vs a goal every 5 games), mostly due to playing alongside a superb set of attacking midfielders and forwards.

 

Yes we have spent a lot of money on forwards, but that is no guarantee of quality, as we have seen from the techniques of the likes of Lukaku and Werner. I won't even mention Pulisic as that seems almost cruel LOL.

£60M for Anthony Gordon is a huge amount of money,  Not exactly Kevin De Bruyne is he ?

Keep in mind Sterling was 17 years old in that Liverpool team and hes producing numbers the same as Mount and Havertz. Pellegrini also signed him at 20 and look what Pep turned him into. Top managers take talent and turn them into stars.

60m is the new 30m. If De Bruyne was available now from Wolfsburg he would cost city close to what we paid for Havertz, if not more.

Sterling is a star now and so was Lukaku. It's up to the manager to get the best out of him. I am far from Tuchel out and I think some of the players we've had are duds and overhyped but there's talent there and it's up to Tuchel to get the best of them. So far he hasen't and tactically we are a better team and we are set up much better than we were under Lampard. Individually I don't think we are that much different.

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by Sheva

if you do not look at his output and if you don't look at the price tag

it's a great deal

If we sign this guy for 60 mill + then the whole of our management including TT should be sent to a mental asylum.

14 minutes ago, Sheva said:

Keep in mind Sterling was 17 years old in that Liverpool team and he's producing numbers the same as Mount and Havertz. Pellegrini also signed him at 20 and look what Pep turned him into. Top managers take talent and turn them into stars.

Pellegrini had Sterling for one season and he scored 11 goals in 47 appearances.

Then Pep came in, and in his first season at the club, Sterling scored 10 goals in 47 appearances.

So Pep initially got a worse return out of Sterling, presumably through his superior coaching LOL.

Then Pep started signing huge numbers of top players and as if by magic, Sterling started to score more. All thanks to Pep's excellent coaching to "develop" Sterling, and nothing to do with the quality players around him. Genius ! I recall he developed Bravo by signing Ederson, and then he developed his full backs by signing a whole new set of full backs, etc etc.

Anyway, back to Anthony Gordon ... has he signed yet ? LOL

 

he has something about him which is priceless 

 

3 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

he has something about him which is priceless 

 

He has. . . he has a remarkable sense of fashion.

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Pellegrini had Sterling for one season and he scored 11 goals in 47 appearances.

Then Pep came in, and in his first season at the club, Sterling scored 10 goals in 47 appearances.

So Pep initially got a worse return out of Sterling, presumably through his superior coaching LOL.

Then Pep started signing huge numbers of top players and as if by magic, Sterling started to score more. All thanks to Pep's excellent coaching to "develop" Sterling, and nothing to do with the quality players around him. Genius ! I recall he developed Bravo by signing Ederson, and then he developed his full backs by signing a whole new set of full backs, etc etc.

Anyway, back to Anthony Gordon ... has he signed yet ? LOL

 

So you are saying the only reason Guardiola is successful because he spends alot of money? I don't think we're winning the league anytime soon until he leaves City and I genuinely think if we had him when he was available we would show the same dominance city has.  He's spent alot of money but who hasen't in this league? Forest have spent over 150m and they just got promoted. The players he's signed are from similar calibre teams that we've signed from, they are all quality players because they play his way and he's turned them into a fluid attack.

This season is on tuchel to get the best out of his players and I hope he does. We're aiming to compete for the title, if we're 10 points + behind City at the end of the season then its on Tuchel not the players.

Quality coaches improve players and turn them into contenders. Why do you think Spurs are getting touted to break the top 2. Conte turned Victor moses into a title winning wing back.

I am not saying this because I don't believe Tuchel can improve players. I just think now is the season he gets judged on to see if he can or not. Signing Gordon only puts more weight on Tuchel to do this.

Sounds like he's gonna get booed off the pitch on his debut haha. Pitchforks are out already.

Best of luck, Angus. No pressure.

Maybe it’s not the players that are the issue in attack and spending 60 million on another kid isn’t the right option? 

41 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

he has something about him which is priceless 

 

He was in a MasterCard commercial? 

27 minutes ago, Sheva said:

So you are saying the only reason Guardiola is successful because he spends alot of money? I don't think we're winning the league anytime soon until he leaves City and I genuinely think if we had him when he was available we would show the same dominance city has.  He's spent alot of money but who hasen't in this league? Forest have spent over 150m and they just got promoted. The players he's signed are from similar calibre teams that we've signed from, they are all quality players because they play his way and he's turned them into a fluid attack.

This season is on tuchel to get the best out of his players and I hope he does. We're aiming to compete for the title, if we're 10 points + behind City at the end of the season then its on Tuchel not the players.

Quality coaches improve players and turn them into contenders. Why do you think Spurs are getting touted to break the top 2. Conte turned Victor moses into a title winning wing back.

I am not saying this because I don't believe Tuchel can improve players. I just think now is the season he gets judged on to see if he can or not. Signing Gordon only puts more weight on Tuchel to do this.

I'm not saying that at all. Guardiola is an excellent manager, as is Tuchel, as he proved when his team beat Guardiola's to win us our second Champions League.

I do think however that you are putting a disproportionate amount of emphasis on the manager being the be-all and end-all when it comes to player success. The quality of the squad has a huge amount to do with it ... 95% probably, and the manager maybe gets them the last 5% by good tactics, motivation, preparation, belief etc etc.  Our squad, particularly in attacking midfield and forwards, is nowhere near the quality that Man City have, regardless of how much we have spent. Liverpool can compete with City with their first XI if they are all available, but we saw last night what impact another great manager like Klopp has when he's missing a few of his best players. 

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by Sexyfootball

58 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

if you do not look at his output and if you don't look at the price tag

it's a great deal

I gather most of us would prefer not to look at him at all.

Most Everton fans seem to want to take the money and run, basically all Chelsea fans are horrified at this move when those 60mill could be split to deliver Fofana and Rafeal Leao.

But if he does end up here what he did before does not matter to me. We will see how he is used.

He will even the be the solid ground TT builds his house on, along with others like Cucurella, or the sand the house collapses on and the new director of football has to sort out.

i actually like him, he has something about him. 

i don't understand why everyone is so critical. He passes the eye test for me. 

i would back him to be a succes and a future fan favourite.

Edited August 23, 20223 yr by azpi28

4 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

I'm not saying that at all. Guardiola is an excellent manager, as is Tuchel, as he proved when his team beat Guardiola's to win us our second Champions League.

I do think however that you are putting a disproportionate amount of emphasis on the manager being the be-all and end-all when it comes to player success. The quality of the squad has a huge amount to do with it ... 95% probably, and the manager maybe gets them the last 5% by good tactics, motivation, preparation, belief etc etc.  Our squad, particularly in attacking midfield and forwards, is nowhere near the quality that Man City have, regardless of how much we have spent. Liverpool can compete with City with their first XI if they are all available, but we saw last night what impact another great manager like Klopp has when he's missing a few of his best players. 

I won't hijack the thread any longer but Fergies reign at Utd shows you that you are way off with 5%. He polished many a turd during his time there.