9 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

What I don't understand is why no matter which coach comes in, since Conte/Mourinho days the attack is so stagnant. Like there's so few options for the player on the ball. When players do make good off the ball runs they're rarely spotted.

It came out after TT left that apparently he instructed them to hold onto the ball and not make risky passes, keep to the passing circuits etc. Believable yet I find it hard to balance that with what my eyes showed me. Which was TT regularly encouraging them to release the ball forwards quicker, thus executing the exact same type of passes he supposedly told them not to do. 

Regardless Sarri, Lamps, TT and now GP have all found it hard to get consistent fluid attacking football with clinical finishing from this team. Yes the players are the common denominator, but there has to be more to it.

The backwards passing vs Newcastle was truly a new low in terms of our all around general play. I'd rather sit through 9000 minutes of opposing fans chanting boring boring Chelsea whilst Jose parks the bus at 1-0 than witness us play it back to Mendy and recycle then hoof the ball to no one and reset to do the same thing.

The players are certainly responsible for some of the performances, but by now 10 games into Potter's tenure I still don't know what he wants to do. He's hiding behind TT's system and as an inferior coach he's demonstrating all the flaws it had under TT without providing any of the benefits. Injuries do play a big factor, but what's the point in sacking a manager for the next one to just pick up where they left off and play the exact same system but, worse?

Back 3, back 4 switching between the two in game, it feels all very contemporary progressive football until it isn't. I see the intention from Graham, but a lack of execution. If my hunch is right Boehly will give him Ronaldo in January and then we will see the real reason TT was sacked. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but the pieces are falling into place. 

It is not that difficult to play fluid attacking football. Just sign good attacker, get the ball to them early and often. Push more player fw  preferably to make fw run and you will have fluid football. 

If you don't believe me, just watch our offense under Lamp in his 1st season. It was fluid borderline suicidal with tons of runner everywhere. Under Tuchel we left 5 player behind the ball, Lamp on the other hand left only 3.

So why can't Potter or Tuchel does this? 

They certainly can however imagine you are a new Chelsea manager and you have just watched our performance against Newcastle.

Are you going to ask your team to play with higher tempo and more risk? 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Are you going to ask your team to play with higher tempo and more risk? 

They certainly can’t play with any less tempo or risk than was shown against Newcastle or Arsenal. 

6 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

They certainly can’t play with any less tempo or risk than was shown against Newcastle or Arsenal. 

We can always play two winger as wb as potter did vs Brighton. We will look far better offensively than what we showed against Newcastle. We probably would have lost 4-1 to Newcastle though. 

Daily asking is Potter sacked already?

12 hours ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Yup whether the fan base like it or not he's currently untouchable 

As it should be. Their club and their money. Most of the fan base has wanted the owner to show patience to the coach, so it seems that Boehly and co are serious about that which is good.

Of course, if results continue to be poor post world cup and into next year then pressure will come, but for now Potter should absolutely be safe at this point in his time at Chelsea. He isn't to blame for this mess that has befallen the club recently. 

37 minutes ago, enigma said:

As it should be. Their club and their money. Most of the fan base has wanted the owner to show patience to the coach, so it seems that Boehly and co are serious about that which is good.

Of course, if results continue to be poor post world cup and into next year then pressure will come, but for now Potter should absolutely be safe at this point in his time at Chelsea. He isn't to blame for this mess that has befallen the club recently. 

If we finish top 6-8 he will have the pressure along with a lot of question marks the very next season, but if we finish below top 8, many will ask if he’s the right person for any long term project because it’s one thing to know that certain things take time but if we finish as the 12th team some will wonder if he acutally has the skill as a manager.

So far new managers came in and did the job, Sarri came with a totally different style in comparison to Conte and finished top 3 and Lampard that at the time had less experience than Potter now managed to finish top 4, one can argue that because of the transfer ban that Lampard had even less pressure in comparison to Potter right now.

So despite Potter being the long term option, he can’t just do a terrible job and expect to keep it because of some promise than in 3 seasons we will be amazing.

Also I get the heavy schedule, the injuries and the egos but as it goes for Chelsea manager's I don't think Potter's had it too bad. He had 3 weeks of training ground only to get used to the club and players at the beginning because of the death of the Queen and it looks like we only have one game over Christmas until the new year.

After the Zagreb defeat Tuchel blamed the players (and I quote) " lack of desire and hunger" .

That's the problem . They did it with TT , they ended up doing it with Frank , they're at it again..

after that WBA defeat at the Bridge, someone on here said " if the players like you, they'll make you look good. If they don't, they'll play like a pub team"

nothing has changed 

9 hours ago, Bob stark said:

It is not that difficult to play fluid attacking football. Just sign good attacker, get the ball to them early and often. Push more player fw  preferably to make fw run and you will have fluid football. 

If you don't believe me, just watch our offense under Lamp in his 1st season. It was fluid borderline suicidal with tons of runner everywhere. Under Tuchel we left 5 player behind the ball, Lamp on the other hand left only 3.

So why can't Potter or Tuchel does this? 

They certainly can however imagine you are a new Chelsea manager and you have just watched our performance against Newcastle.

Are you going to ask your team to play with higher tempo and more risk? 

 

 

 

 

It's a good question. It's like they both coach scared.

It's not by chance they keep numbers back. It's not by chance our mids won't look for the forward ball. You watch Sterling & Pulisic off the ball? They regularly try to make runs in behind and the pass never comes. 

We're also slow in transition. I don't get it. Countless other clubs pounce on a turnover and quickly get numbers forward on the counter. 

All this is why it seems to me we produce far less good opportunities. Which reduces our margin for error.

Why does a club like Newcastle look so much more threatening and coherent? No one here would say on the face if it Almiron is Chelsea quality. But he's producing at a higher level than any of our attackers. That tells me a lot is the system and the manager.

If Almiron came to Chelsea he'd look worse. And if a Sterling or Pulisic or Havertz went to Newcastle they'd look better.

Once people accept that then red flags go up all over. 

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

After the Zagreb defeat Tuchel blamed the players (and I quote) " lack of desire and hunger" .

That's the problem . They did it with TT , they ended up doing it with Frank , they're at it again..

after that WBA defeat at the Bridge, someone on here said " if the players like you, they'll make you look good. If they don't, they'll play like a pub team"

nothing has changed 

Spot on again. The players had turned on TT that much was obvious. That is why calling for him to return is just daft.

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

After the Zagreb defeat Tuchel blamed the players (and I quote) " lack of desire and hunger" .

That's the problem . They did it with TT , they ended up doing it with Frank , they're at it again..

after that WBA defeat at the Bridge, someone on here said " if the players like you, they'll make you look good. If they don't, they'll play like a pub team"

nothing has changed 

The thing is if Tuchel had lost the dressing room we would have seen an immediate improvement in performance after he left, like how we suddenly started playing good after Mourinho was sacked in 2015. Instead we've arguably gotten worse, we aren't even keeping possession or creating chances anymore.

 

24 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

The thing is if Tuchel had lost the dressing room we would have seen an immediate improvement in performance after he left, like how we suddenly started playing good after Mourinho was sacked in 2015. Instead we've arguably gotten worse, we aren't even keeping possession or creating chances anymore.

 

That's true enough. . Reece said the players didn't " give enough on the pitch " after T was sacked. Conor Gallagher said virtually the same after Brighton game " they wanted it more than us"

That's inexcusable, no matter who the coach.is. Inexcusable and disgraceful..  They shouldn't turn basic effort on and off whenever they feel like it. Always a mystery, that's Chelsea for you !

On 07/11/2022 at 23:20, Upsetter said:

Sindre was never banned though. Reading between the lines, this is what happened:

Following a fairly mild pisstake - when I asked him if he was expecting Tuchel’s baby, or if he was just a bit of a tart, Sindre lost it completely, demanding for me to be banned. Then when this demand of his was refused, he insisted that his own account should be closed.

Shame really, but it does answer my question: Sindre is a right tart.

Well, Upsetter. Let me give you a 10 for creativity and a 0 for precision.
This is Sindre. And I have no ill feeling towards you are anyone else and despite your less than favourable words for me I can only say I wish you all the best in life.

The actual reason I left is that I now have two sweet and young children that are growing up and need my time and dedication far more than the population on here. So I don't expect to be back anytime soon either but why not stop but figured I could stop by and say hi for one evening.

On Potter I can only repeat what I said a few short days after he was hired:

So should be given more time but concede that he has surprised me in a negative way. Since Aston Villa it's been more or less an umitigated disaster and he will clearly have to address that or risk his job. Against Arsenal and Newcastle I had to question if the squad were even behind him as it certainly didn't look that way. Haven't helped himself with a string of very poor decisions but still time to turn his fortunes around.

With that I will be gone again. Sayonara.

Haven’t read though all this thread but I know there is a lot of negative feeling towards Potter. With some wanting him replaced already.

I think he needs to be given time, at least a couple of seasons. This team isn’t his team, he hasn’t had one transfer window yet. I don’t know if he’ll turn things but I think he can.

The all wonderful King Klopp took over a team that had finished 6th (the year before 2nd) and brought them all the way up to……… 8th. It was then 4th, 4th, and 2nd before winning the league in his fifth season. His only title btw, no chance of one this year. 
 

I think most Chelsea fans are tired of the manager revolving door, even though it was largely successful. 
 

The premier leagues most successful manager was sh*t the first couple of years and on the brink of the sack. 
 

We must give Potter time I’m afraid and as far as bad results and falling behind the dreaded enemies we’ll just have to suck it up. We’ve had a good 20 years but I’m afraid  it’s getting more and more difficult as we see the Oil backed clubs dominate.

 

40 minutes ago, goose said:

Haven’t read though all this thread but I know there is a lot of negative feeling towards Potter. With some wanting him replaced already.

I think he needs to be given time, at least a couple of seasons. This team isn’t his team, he hasn’t had one transfer window yet. I don’t know if he’ll turn things but I think he can.

The all wonderful King Klopp took over a team that had finished 6th (the year before 2nd) and brought them all the way up to……… 8th. It was then 4th, 4th, and 2nd before winning the league in his fifth season. His only title btw, no chance of one this year. 
 

I think most Chelsea fans are tired of the manager revolving door, even though it was largely successful. 
 

The premier leagues most successful manager was sh*t the first couple of years and on the brink of the sack. 
 

We must give Potter time I’m afraid and as far as bad results and falling behind the dreaded enemies we’ll just have to suck it up. We’ve had a good 20 years but I’m afraid  it’s getting more and more difficult as we see the Oil backed clubs dominate.

 

From when Klopp took over the football was already looking better though, here it just looks worse and even more defensive. You could see the type of football Klopp was trying to play from the start, whereas you can't with Potter. 

 

Klopp also dethroned Bayern in the Bundesliga and took Dortmund to a Champions League final, so there was evidence he could build a top team. The best Potter has done is finish 9th with Brighton whilst being one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Nobody knows if he can build an elite side, and so far the evidence of the last 2 months is suggesting otherwise.

20 minutes ago, mojo said:

Process instead of Progress, even the new manager bounce didn't last long.

Yes, the hire/sack mayhem has to stop sometime, just not convinced we stopped at the right time

Anyway, off to watch something more relaxing like the WC, forget the miserable Chelsea for a month.

 

Starved of enthralling, entertaining football, pissed off with the state of football with VAR and mid winter world cups, pissed off with what we turn out every week on a football pitch and expect people to be entertained, pissed off with the miserable atmosphere at home games drowned out by away fans.

Then my mind goes back in time and i think was football always this sh*t ? why did i bother following football when i was younger, what was it that bit me back then, and whats missing now? I don't know what the answers are, but when i watch games like this on youtube i remember what it was all about. 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, coco said:

Starved of enthralling, entertaining football, pissed off with the state of football with VAR and mid winter world cups, pissed off with what we turn out every week on a football pitch and expect people to be entertained, pissed off with the miserable atmosphere at home games drowned out by away fans.

Then my mind goes back in time and i think was football always this sh*t ? why did i bother following football when i was younger, what was it that bit me back then, and whats missing now? I don't know what the answers are, but when i watch games like this on youtube i remember what it was all about. 

 

 

 

Ah back when we were football fans first, rather than seen as consumers of the product.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Ah back when we were football fans first, rather than seen as consumers of the product.

When players played on mud and hardly got injured, when one ref was enough, when fans made a noise and went home with a hoarse voice.

4 minutes ago, coco said:

When players played on mud and hardly got injured, when one ref was enough, when fans made a noise and went home with a hoarse voice.

That game has long gone mate. Jt was the last of that breed for us.

11 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That game has long gone mate. Jt was the last of that breed for us.

I'll feel more positive when Potter sorts this sh*t out, but atm that's how i feel, my grandson is walking around with a long face as well, TB has a lot to answer for you know.😁

9 hours ago, HonoreMeiBalsac said:

It's a good question. It's like they both coach scared.

It's not by chance they keep numbers back. It's not by chance our mids won't look for the forward ball. You watch Sterling & Pulisic off the ball? They regularly try to make runs in behind and the pass never comes. 

We're also slow in transition. I don't get it. Countless other clubs pounce on a turnover and quickly get numbers forward on the counter. 

All this is why it seems to me we produce far less good opportunities. Which reduces our margin for error.

Why does a club like Newcastle look so much more threatening and coherent? No one here would say on the face if it Almiron is Chelsea quality. But he's producing at a higher level than any of our attackers. That tells me a lot is the system and the manager.

If Almiron came to Chelsea he'd look worse. And if a Sterling or Pulisic or Havertz went to Newcastle they'd look better.

Once people accept that then red flags go up all over. 

You should be scared. Balance is everything in football. 

We were a shaky fluid team under Lamp and Tuchel transformed that team into cl winner almost overnight. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

After the Zagreb defeat Tuchel blamed the players (and I quote) " lack of desire and hunger" .

That's the problem . They did it with TT , they ended up doing it with Frank , they're at it again..

after that WBA defeat at the Bridge, someone on here said " if the players like you, they'll make you look good. If they don't, they'll play like a pub team"

nothing has changed 

Against Zagreb maybe but I don't think that is our biggest problem right now. Usually, big team problem is we have a lots of good player and we need to find the best way to get the best out of them. Right now, we have a lot of average player and we need to find the best way to get the best out of them. 

 

 

It is crazy that I am not sure who has the better team. 

 

Edited November 15, 20223 yr by Bob stark