43 minutes ago, Zeta said:

 

Says it all,I'm still believe Boehly has F*cked up with Potter,I know supporters will now give me grief, but everyone is entitled to there opinion.

13 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

Says it all,I'm still believe Boehly has F*cked up with Potter,I know supporters will now give me grief, but everyone is entitled to there opinion.

Have always agreed, even before he put pen to paper. It’s not GP’s fault so much, of course he’s going to take a high contract regardless of his ability as a Manager. For future financial stability, he would always sign that deal and leave Brighton for it! Who wouldn’t!

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

 

This is nothing new, we can all agree it was a mistake. But right now it's irrelevant, whether he's talking rubbish or not. Our only chance to turn the season around is to stick to each other and trust in Potter...

Despite the recent performances it's not tactically I have worries about Potter, he's one of the best coaches in the league in that aspect in my opinion. He's won too many tactical battles against the likes of Klopp, Tuchel, Conte, Ten Hag, Pioli etc without parking the bus for it to be a coincidence (and apart from against the latter did it with a significantly inferior side).

The big worry for me is if he can adapt his mindset required for a club with our expectations, fears that haven't exactly been eased with his recent interviews.

24 minutes ago, Argo said:

The big worry for me is if he can adapt his mindset required for a club with our expectations, fears that haven't exactly been eased with his recent interviews.

He doesn't seem to have the mindset of a winner to me ... far too happy to accept mistakes, losses, draws against sides we should beat comfortably, etc etc ... speaks lots of corporate psychobabble and soundbites ... American owners sadly love all that crap ... 

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

He doesn't seem to have the mindset of a winner to me ... far too happy to accept mistakes, losses, draws against sides we should beat comfortably, etc etc ... speaks lots of corporate psychobabble and soundbites ... American owners sadly love all that crap ... 

"The boys gave everything" line gives me genuine nightmares.

I'm actually dreading the WC finishing because we have to watch Potter's Chelsea again. 

I think the principle and concept was a good one. Give a certain level of guarantee for stability, gradually restructure the team make up, philosophy and application of the footballing style.

But the reality is, at a club like ours you have to make a statement early to buy yourself time. Tuchel did it in a manner of speaking himself. We had a team under Frank that couldn't keep a clean sheet. Rudiger couldn't get in the team because he was like Bambi on ice and teh football deteriorated. Tuchel came in, took training the same day as his appointment and immediately pluggewd up the leaks. Made us largely unbeatable at teh tiem, i think we took one hiding off of Watford or someone liek that, and he overcame every elite manager he can up against. That buys you time.

Much as i like Potter and i wasn't agasinst the appointment when it was made, i just don't see the vision, or the progress towards this ultimate goal. We're just thrilled and excited to be here, competing, Jesus!

I think as dire as the football was in the latter stages of TT's reign and as questionable as his choice of players were during the summer window, we can all acknowledge that sacking Tuchel was a major f*ck up by the club that could, could set us back years.

I don't know why Tuchel couldn't have been the guy anyway. He didn't want to be involved behind the scenes and wanted to work with the players. The situation now would surely have been ideal, if, as reported we are hiring a cast of dozens of back room staff . Surely he could have moulded us into an attractive footballing side with a team of young players competing on the european stage. He'd already proven to be successful in doing this, we just neded to impove the style and quality with better performing players.

52 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

 we just neded to impove the style and quality with better performing players.

I mean Boehly brought in Tuchel's players and yet the football didn't improve in the slightest. Matter of fact its gone backwards. 

I think the most damning thing about Tuchel is his judgement in the market and with the current team. Believing players like Kovacic and Kante would miraculously cure their chronic injuries and believing Jorginho is better than what he actually is, is on par with the Lukaku over Tchouameni decision. Not improving the midfield these past 2 summers is honestly astonishing. 

Still believe Boehly and Co want a manager that is more involved with the backroom decisions and a manager that is contempt with our technical/recruitment directors providing input. You could see how involved Klopp was with Edwards, Arteta is with Edu and Pep with Txixi, so its no surprise Boehly is inspired by that model of operations. 

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9 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean Boehly brought in Tuchel's players and yet the football didn't improve in the slightest. Matter of fact its gone backwards. 

I think the most damning thing about Tuchel is his judgement in the market and with the current team. Believing players like Kovacic and Kante would miraculously cure their chronic injuries and believing Jorginho is better than what he actually is, is on par with the Lukaku over Tchouameni decision. Not improving the midfield these past 2 summers is honestly astonishing. 

Still believe Boehly and Co want a manager that is more involved with the backroom decisions and a manager that is contempt with our technical/recruitment directors providing input. You could see how involved Klopp was with Edwards, Arteta is with Edu and Pep with Txixi, so its no surprise Boehly is inspired by that model of operations. 

I think if Tuchel had managed to make our attack scoring that he would have still been our manager, but sadly during his time here nobody of our attackers looked good. Only Mount managed to have some periods where he would score or assist in a couple of matches in a row and that's it.

He was too confident after our CL win that he honestly believed that the only position he needed to splash the cash on was the striker position, he didn't mind letting Tammy and Giroud go at all and basically went out and said that Lukaku will offer us another tactical option, meaning everything else worked perfectly so just put a natural scorer in there and we'll be flying... Despite all of the good that he had done, the Lukaku transfer was a huge blunder from him, maybe even a bigger one in comparison to Conte believing that Morata, a life-long supersub could lead the line.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

I think if Tuchel had managed to make our attack scoring that he would have still been our manager, but sadly during his time here nobody of our attackers looked good. Only Mount managed to have some periods where he would score or assist in a couple of matches in a row and that's it.

He was too confident after our CL win that he honestly believed that the only position he needed to splash the cash on was the striker position, he didn't mind letting Tammy and Giroud go at all and basically went out and said that Lukaku will offer us another tactical option, meaning everything else worked perfectly so just put a natural scorer in there and we'll be flying... Despite all of the good that he had done, the Lukaku transfer was a huge blunder from him, maybe even a bigger one in comparison to Conte believing that Morata, a life-long supersub could lead the line.

Think it just goes to show that no matter how elite the manager is (Conte & Tuchel) giving them full reign in the market and on the team is a mistake. 

Another reason why Potter is seen as a long term successor given he will less likely cause a tantrum if the recruitment team and him don't see eye to eye on a player. 

Just saw Kieron Dyer say on a podcast that a Chelsea first team player told him Potter was worse than Tuchel and that Chelsea made a mistake. Don't know if he's telling the truth but he didn't have much of a reason to make something like that up.

 

Edited December 1, 20223 yr by Drogba1

Wonder who the player was? Would not surprise me if the dressing room turns on Potter. For the most part these are players used to playing CL and missing out on that will put backs up.

Won't be some miracle fix during this time off either imo. We will likely come back, look sh*t and need a pen to score against Bournemouth.

Todd talked about winning championships but his first moves here has taken us back to being a side that would be grateful just to be in the CL.

One rumour is it was Sterling who said that to Dyer.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Just saw Kieron Dyer say on a podcast that a Chelsea first team player told him Potter was worse than Tuchel and that Chelsea made a mistake. Don't know if he's telling the truth but he didn't have much of a reason to make something like that up.

We have to be careful here as players that are on the bench rarely have a good thing to say.

Just like with TT get our wide-backs fit and we will start scoring and winning again, the problem is we don't have decent cover.

At least he hasn’t got to deal with Lukaku. Had a terrible second half today!

 

22 minutes ago, Richard P said:

At least he hasn’t got to deal with Lukaku. Had a terrible second half today!

 

Yeah I'm surprised with what happened to Lukaku, I thought he just didn't suit Tuchel's system but he's been awful since coming back to Inter as well.

 

He looked pretty good for us before the interview, since then his level has fallen off a cliff

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Todd talked about winning championships but his first moves here has taken us back to being a side that would be grateful just to be in the CL.

One rumour is it was Sterling who said that to Dyer.

Sterling was only with Tuchel for 6 games so I'm not too sure. Most likely an English player though, and probably more than one.

 

I wouldn't be surpised if we're looking at an AVB situation here

12 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Yeah I'm surprised with what happened to Lukaku, I thought he just didn't suit Tuchel's system but he's been awful since coming back to Inter as well.

 

He looked pretty good for us before the interview, since then his level has fallen off a cliff

He has always been the player you see today, only difference was before returning to us he played in systems that helped go a long way to hiding his weaknesses (I say hiding they were still obvious but the systems mitigated it somewhat).

Here and back at Inter he's been asked to play in more possesion based systems that require fluidity, pressing and good movement, all of which he can't do, so the reality of what he is (a bang average footballer) is there for the entire world to see.

55 minutes ago, Argo said:

He has always been the player you see today, only difference was before returning to us he played in systems that helped go a long way to hiding his weaknesses (I say hiding they were still obvious but the systems mitigated it somewhat).

Here and back at Inter he's been asked to play in more possesion based systems that require fluidity, pressing and good movement, all of which he can't do, so the reality of what he is (a bang average footballer) is there for the entire world to see.

I haven’t been on here since the Newcastle game and it’s been nice to have a break from Chelsea to be honest. The worst thing about the Newcastle game was that the defeat was inevitable. We never looked like scoring against Arsenal or Newcastle which is very worrying. 

I am hoping that post World Cup, things will pick up with players returning from injury….but I have to say, them comments from Dyer have got me worried about Potter. He seemed highly rated by most in the game. JT rated him massively so I’m hoping we haven’t made a massive balls up. 

Next season will be fun, the inevitable return of Lukaku that nobody wants. Potter may turn him into a goal scoring Central Defender.

I reckon Lukaku will outstay Potter!