7 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Ah you don't recognize him under his new title eh?

Nope.

On 10/12/2022 at 05:13, dkw said:

How.

A fixed formation, an identity in our build up, an understanding between players in where the ball needs to move next, etc, etc. 

51 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 an understanding between players in where the ball needs to move next, etc, etc. 

And how does he do that with 15 first team players missing.

18 minutes ago, dkw said:

And how does he do that with 15 first team players missing.

He had them for two bloody months and we saw f**k all. He’s chopped and changed to the point where our football looks clueless and depressing. 
 

We need to see some assurance from Potter in what he wants. That is the bare minimum. 

The Bournemouth game is a must win.

21 hours ago, dkw said:

Missing first team players:-

Mendy

Silva

Koulibaly 

Azpilicueta 

Kovacic 

Mount

Sterling

Havertz

Gallagher

Ziyech

Pulisic

Not having them will definitely hinder Potters training sessions, to say it won't is ridiculous. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 20223 yr by just

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He had them for two bloody months and we saw f**k all. He’s chopped and changed to the point where our football looks clueless and depressing. 
 

We need to see some assurance from Potter in what he wants. That is the bare minimum. 

Seriously, we had the same type of clueless performances with Tuchel this season before he was sacked. And I wanted Tuchel to stay, so it’s not that I’m against the managers. I think that the players are basically not performing for the club, no matter who the coach is. Potter could be a good or bad coach for us, but some of the players are just not interested, and that’s dragging the coaches down.

Mid table manager mid table club... we just have to wait for our owners to realise their mistakes or hope for a miracle.

15 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He had them for two bloody months and we saw f**k all. He’s chopped and changed to the point where our football looks clueless and depressing. 
 

We need to see some assurance from Potter in what he wants. That is the bare minimum. 

And yet you seem to think he should now be held accountable if we dont suddenly start playing better football, even though he has had the majority of the first team away on international duty. He would have to be a miracle worker to do that. But theres plenty of agendas against him so all your doing is setting him up for a fall, pretty pathetic really.

10 minutes ago, dkw said:

And yet you seem to think he should now be held accountable if we dont suddenly start playing better football, even though he has had the majority of the first team away on international duty. He would have to be a miracle worker to do that. But theres plenty of agendas against him so all your doing is setting him up for a fall, pretty pathetic really.

To your former question, i'm Sindre.

Is there any doubt we need to play better football dkw? You weren't exactly a fan of Tuchel but since Villa we have been far worse than we ever were under him and i'm sure even you can admit that. I'm not a fan of talking about "what ifs" but as someone who wants Potter to succeed here its clear that he needs to get his act together extremely quickly as he's been a disappointment so far.

Bournemouth will be interesting, hopefully James and Chilwell are fit and ready to go.

Not having had a world cup mid season before we don't really know how the players will mentally or emotionally be affected by that.

Silva and Kovacic two of our key players are still out there.

This is really a strange time in football history.

5 hours ago, dkw said:

And yet you seem to think he should now be held accountable if we dont suddenly start playing better football, even though he has had the majority of the first team away on international duty. He would have to be a miracle worker to do that. But theres plenty of agendas against him so all your doing is setting him up for a fall, pretty pathetic really.

Who else should be accountable? You have seem to completely ignored my point that he's already managed the first team players for two months. The football we've seen has been lackluster and clueless. No direction Zero identity. How on earth is it an agenda in wanting Potter to show more assurance in his football this 2nd half of the season? 

To call this type of rational pathetic or an agenda is a whole other level of cynicism given your constant deflection of criticism towards Declan Rice.

52 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Who else should be accountable? You have seem to completely ignored my point that he's already managed the first team players for two months. The football we've seen has been lackluster and clueless. No direction Zero identity. How on earth is it an agenda in wanting Potter to show more assurance in his football this 2nd half of the season? 

To call this type of rational pathetic or an agenda is a whole other level of cynicism given your constant deflection of criticism towards Declan Rice.

Actually, for me two months is my little ray of hope: it's a very short time, and then half the team f**ked off to Qatar. Let's not forget it was a huge change for Potter as well. We usually say when a player isn't the new GOAT after 2 months to be patient and let him settle in. The same applies to a new manager. Hopefully during the last few weeks he's had time to let it all sink in and come up with battle plan. Mind you, all the injuries aren't helpful. And I do wonder whether that's all just bad luck, the ridiculous schedule or a medical staff that isn't quite up to scratch. 

36 minutes ago, Valerie said:

Actually, for me two months is my little ray of hope: it's a very short time, and then half the team f**ked off to Qatar. Let's not forget it was a huge change for Potter as well. We usually say when a player isn't the new GOAT after 2 months to be patient and let him settle in. The same applies to a new manager. Hopefully during the last few weeks he's had time to let it all sink in and come up with battle plan. Mind you, all the injuries aren't helpful. And I do wonder whether that's all just bad luck, the ridiculous schedule or a medical staff that isn't quite up to scratch. 

At the bare minimum we need to see an idea. Sarri, Tuchel, and to some extent Lampard managed to instill their ideas rather immediately and stuck with them. You could see what they wanted in their football. 

I rate Potter highly which is why my expectations are high. 

Edited December 12, 20223 yr by Sconnie Blue

7 hours ago, dkw said:

And yet you seem to think he should now be held accountable if we dont suddenly start playing better football,

Playing better football than whatever the hell that was against Arsenal and Newcastle? Minimum requirement.

I can accept results and consistent performances taking it's time but not the tactically bankrupt displays of those two games above.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

At the bare minimum we need to see an idea. Sarri, Tuchel, and to some extent Lampard managed to instill their ideas rather immediately and stuck with them. You could see what they wanted in their football. 

I rate Potter highly which is why my expectations are high. 

You may be right, I really don't know. What I do know is that doing or handling something different than others (who between them brought success in the shape of 2 European cups and CL qualification) may not necessarily a bad thing. Many posters have suggested that we have recruited badly and are now paying for it. Something that has taken let's say 5 years to f**k up usually takes at least another 5 years to repair. When you adhere to that theory, we may not be able to see improvement in 3-4 months. There may be improvement behind the scenes though, think new director of football or a technical director, whatever it's called.

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

At the bare minimum we need to see an idea. Sarri, Tuchel, and to some extent Lampard managed to instill their ideas rather immediately and stuck with them. You could see what they wanted in their football. 

I rate Potter highly which is why my expectations are high. 

I heard a pundit on radio and I think his views are correct

Potter is still managing with the Brighton mindset . He is used to managing for most of his time against better teams . As a top 4 team, we are better than most of the teams in the PL.

he needs to understand that we are CHELSEA , decide on the best formation, and adopt the attitude , YOU worry about US !.

Too simple ?

If Southgate walks and England came knocking I wonder if TB would go for it now. I still get the feeling that he is learning this as he goes along with each decision at each step being wrong.

Like taking on a new untried manager at this level and immediately putting him on a massive long term contract rather than a well paid medium term contract that could have been upscale at pretty much any time if things were going well.

9 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

If Southgate walks and England came knocking I wonder if TB would go for it now. I still get the feeling that he is learning this as he goes along with each decision at each step being wrong.

Like taking on a new untried manager at this level and immediately putting him on a massive long term contract rather than a well paid medium term contract that could have been upscale at pretty much any time if things were going well.

I would like him to get the England Job. Hes well suited to that.

14 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

I heard a pundit on radio and I think his views are correct

Potter is still managing with the Brighton mindset . He is used to managing for most of his time against better teams . As a top 4 team, we are better than most of the teams in the PL.

he needs to understand that we are CHELSEA , decide on the best formation, and adopt the attitude , YOU worry about US !.

Too simple ?

He didn't have an opportunity to get any other mindset. As he rebuilds and develops the squad he'll be building up himself as well at the same time, which in itself isn't the worst thing either. If he gets backed and makes a new team maybe the rest will worry about us but he needs time and I think he's not looking to go anywhere otherwise.

So there are positives in that, if we had gone for a particular style under a manager with different views it could have been a very short-sighted project, we have seen Conte coming and going as a winner but ultimately that didn't bring us any stability.

I imagine if we go for someone like Luis Enrique it would be the same thing, a clear mindset and ultra tiki-taka but as soon as things go semi-bad he'll run back to Spain.

I think the reaction to Potter being our manager is exactly why there are no top English managers. Short-termism and basically snobbery. Every top club around Europe has appointed managers who fans here would seem not good enough at the time who have ended up being a success and funnily enough it takes longer than 2 months to do that.

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by timetowaste

2 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I think the reaction to Potter being our manager is exactly why there are no top English managers. Short-termism and basically snobbery. Every top club around Europe has appointed managers who fans here would seem not good enough at the time who have ended up being a success and funnily enough it takes longer than 2 months to do that.

Don't necessarily disagree but we are 8th and as close to relegation as we are to Tottenham in fourth. There are bound to be some reactions and especially when things started to become worse and worse before the break. Fear kicks in at that point and if we don't improve we may literally find ourselves near the bottom three which wouldn't be acceptable for anyone.
 

I've been quiet on here for a while because the doom and gloom merchants were doing my head in. Used the world cup to take a bit of a break from here, not sure if I will go back to posting as regularly as I did once the Premier League returns but just thought I would weigh in with my two cents on Potter. 

He absolutely has to, and will be given time in my opinion. We have spent the last 20 years under Roman bouncing from big name manager to big name manager, without ever really developing an identity at the club. Obviously we were incredibly successful in that period but we will never challenge at the top again if we keep chopping and changing our managers as regularly as we used too. Potter has punched above his weight everywhere he has been and if given time I believe he will succeed here. City and Liverpool have both shown that long term faith in the manager can pay off and bring you success. Even Arsenal to an extent, how many times could they have sacked Arteta over the last few years, but stuck with him? That patience and faith has paid off because they've had a complete squad overhaul, they're playing the best football they have for years and are competing at the top of the Premier League (probably sooner than they expected in all honesty).

I know the majority of the squad has been away during the world cup break but I am hoping Potter has been able to use this time to start to implement some of his ideas with those that didn't go to the World Cup. I am hoping that once the season kicks off again we will start to be in a better position.

With all that being said, the performances against Arsenal and Newcastle before the break were two of the worst I have ever seen Chelsea produce. We had no intent to win either of those games and it looked as though we were hoping for a 0-0 at best. To set us up like that is not good enough in my opinion, and hopefully the break will have also helped with a shift in mentality. Compare those games to the City game in the cup, Yes I know we still lost but we played with much more freedom, created plenty of chances and on another day we'd have come away scoring 3 or 4 in that game. 

Point being is I know it's going to take Potter a bit of time to fully implement his vision, and have the players he wants, and the style of play he wants. That may be a process that could take anywhere from 6-24 months to be honest. However, in the interim we still need to see some signs that what he is building will pay off in the end. If he continues to set us up as he did against Arsenal and Newcastle, then I do think people will begin to lose patience. If we lose the odd game but put in an encouraging performance then that is not an issue for me, but setting us up as passive as we were in those 2 games is not good enough for a club of this stature. Hopefully the second half of the season we start to see a bit of improvement from where we were before the world cup. 

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

I think the reaction to Potter being our manager is exactly why there are no top English managers. Short-termism and basically snobbery. Every top club around Europe has appointed managers who fans here would seem not good enough at the time who have ended up being a success and funnily enough it takes longer than 2 months to do that.

The reaction is something I would expect towards any coach that has dragged a top 4 team down to relegation standard football. It's like people are pretending that Potter has walked into a team that regularly finishes mid table and that he has a massive rebuilding phase to go through. We aren't Arsenal when Arteta took over, we aren't even Liverpool when Klopp took over. This squad is capable of much more than this, there is zero reason why we shouldn't be competing for top 4.

If United, Tottenham or Arsenal were regularly finishing top 4 and their new manager came in and dragged them down to mid table, they would rightfully be seriously questioning if that coach is good enough or not.

3 hours ago, OriginalS said:

Don't necessarily disagree but we are 8th and as close to relegation as we are to Tottenham in fourth. There are bound to be some reactions and especially when things started to become worse and worse before the break. Fear kicks in at that point and if we don't improve we may literally find ourselves near the bottom three which wouldn't be acceptable for anyone.
 

I understand your feeling, but the 'not acceptable' part, which I've seen mentioned a few times before, has me puzzled. What does that mean in practice for a supporter? Numerous incendiary posts on football forums and on social media demanding Potter's head? Bedsheets with Potter Out written on them (preferably with a spelling mistake  ) hanging from MHU? Angry crowds at the Cobham gates?

I'm just curious how words will translate into deeds, if at all.

Edited December 13, 20223 yr by Valerie