7 hours ago, bisright1 said:

I'm getting Kevin Keegan vibes from Arteta at the moment. 

Please don’t insult Double K by comparing him to that muppet. 

6 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

One thing I've noticed is that playmakers tend to make pretty good managers. Guardiola, Zidane, Cruyff, Xavi, Arteta. Too bad we haven't had any players like that in recent years, apart from Juan Mata

I don't think you understand mata game

 

 

7 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Do me a favour

There were people on here saying they can't watch football anymore after Lampard got the sack when he was clearly out of his depth. Tuchel had to win every game or he wasn't deemed fit. Many of the posters on here who defend everything Potter does didn't give Tuchel a chance even after he won the biggest trophy a club can win in football, it still wasn't good enough.

Hardly a good f**king comparison that is it. 

Really??

Almost every single Chelsea fan wanted to give tuchel more time, at least until Christmas. 

I wanted Frank, Conte and Jose sacked. I wanted Sarri Tuchel and now Potter to have more time. 

In hindsight, it appears losing Tuchel was the right decision as he didn't gel with the ownership.

Can't believe the criticism some serving up Arteta. 

Might be all the things they say but still better than GP by a mile. You don't get to assist manage under arguably the best manager in the game nd not pick up a thing or two.  

I watched All or Nothing and said at the time, his mindset and mental strength was absolutely in the right place for what a champion team needed, his delivery methods maybe easy to have a go at and accuse of being a parody. 

And get this, even if he goes to sh*t now he's achieved more than GP ever will first as a player and as a Manager. 

11 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

You pretty much described the Potter's journey so far at Chelsea, and that's after being knocked out in 2 domestic cups in record time, and involved in singing 300M worth of players. If Tuchel was not involved in transfers as you said, how could he been involved in shockingly bad transfer dealings?

It's typical of Potter fans, pointing finger at everyone and everything else, but forget to acknowledge he hasn't been good enough, even compare to the 'bad' managers we had in the last 20 years.

 

 

 

Potter fan? How am I a potter fan, I just want our new manager to be given time to see if he can succeed, I always want that of any new manager. Just because I wanted Tuchel out that doesnt automatically mean I`m a Potter "fan".

9 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Do me a favour

There were people on here saying they can't watch football anymore after Lampard got the sack when he was clearly out of his depth. Tuchel had to win every game or he wasn't deemed fit. Many of the posters on here who defend everything Potter does didn't give Tuchel a chance even after he won the biggest trophy a club can win in football, it still wasn't good enough.

Hardly a good f**king comparison that is it. 

Do me a favour and understand what I mean. If you all want to dwell in the past, you're free to do it. Others, we may be a minority, want to look forward. I'm on the fence with Potter, starting to lean towards the opinion that he's not going to improve us as a team. But I'd like to give him until the summer and let's see how the team does with the new additions and evaluate who else is available to take on the job.

In the meantime, you can keep discussing about how good Tuchel was in comparison and whine all you want, all this after 5 months of his sacking, but nothing's going to change the past.

21 hours ago, timetowaste said:

The revisionist history around Potter's job at Brighton by some in here is so laughable it doesn't warrant individual replies.

tbh, who the f**k cares about his reign at Brighton? The matter of fact is he is absolutely sh*t in his job at Chelsea and should be sacked like 3 times already

29 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

tbh, who the f**k cares about his reign at Brighton? The matter of fact is he is absolutely sh*t in his job at Chelsea and should be sacked like 3 times already

I don't understand the Brighton bullsh*t either it's clear to see he was holding them back in regards to offense.

30 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

I don't understand the Brighton bullsh*t either it's clear to see he was holding them back in regards to offense.

The last game Potter managed was a 5-2 win. They were pretty effective offensively at the end of his reign.

So it's not that clear. The argument some would make is that Potter got Brighton to the position there are now, not that he held them back. 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

The last game Potter managed was a 5-2 win. They were pretty effective offensively at the end of his reign.

So it's not that clear. The argument some would make is that Potter got Brighton to the position there are now, not that he held them back. 

Getting a club the size of Brighton into the top ten and sustaining it, is an achievement. They are punching well above their weight. The question is can he transmit this success to a higher level where the expectation is far greater? To carry the masses he probably has to show some kind of upward trajectory by the end of the season.

1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

tbh, who the f**k cares about his reign at Brighton? The matter of fact is he is absolutely sh*t in his job at Chelsea and should be sacked like 3 times already

Many posters seem to care hence the rewriting of his job there.

I mean as you're constantly pointing out there's enough to criticize him with in regards to his time here so if anything it makes it all the more bizarre.

41 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

The last game Potter managed was a 5-2 win. They were pretty effective offensively at the end of his reign.

So it's not that clear. The argument some would make is that Potter got Brighton to the position there are now, not that he held them back. 

OK so one game..... wow. We should have signed him for 10 years then.

 

3 hours ago, abister1 said:

Can't believe the criticism some serving up Arteta. 

Might be all the things they say but still better than GP by a mile. You don't get to assist manage under arguably the best manager in the game nd not pick up a thing or two.  

I watched All or Nothing and said at the time, his mindset and mental strength was absolutely in the right place for what a champion team needed, his delivery methods maybe easy to have a go at and accuse of being a parody. 

And get this, even if he goes to sh*t now he's achieved more than GP ever will first as a player and as a Manager. 

Mindset and mental strength is such a subjective term. I bet even Potter has the same subjective qualities.

What difference does it make? He had 1 good transfer window where the Arsenal transfer committee didn't feck up. Had Todd bought Zinchenko and Jesus instead of Sterling and Cucurella, we'd be better off. 

Well let's just conveniently forget to omit the progress since he took over in Dec 2019 and just consider the current season where he is now adding winning mentality, done it at that level type players. 

Our recruitment is good and in seasons to come we won't go splash like this season but add one or two critical players to the squad, just as Arsenal have recruited in past few seasons. If you don't see the similarity..... but the point is GP won't achieve what a sh*tty Arteta, as some regard him,  already has. 

Arsenal's first FA Cup final in 7 years beating our own Lamps after beating City in earlier round is same season he was employed. 

GP has crashed in both domestic cups against good opposition yes but crashed nevertheless nd I don't see him winning a domestic cup anytime soon. 

Difference you ask. Well which do you want to pick?  Difference in Impact, in delivery, in achievement as a player and manager, in attitude. 

All well and good to give a measured response about anger regarding decisions but there's a trick he missed. Sometimes you need to sow that doubt, that fear in the officials about getting calls wrong. That way there's a mental shift in the way they make decisions about your team resulting in calls going your way more often than not. Fergie, Mou, Klopp, Zidane, Poch, Tuchel, Hiddink, Van Gaal, even a cool head like Ancelloti, they all do this. Its not just about making noise, there's a reason they do. 

16 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Well let's just conveniently forget to omit the progress since he took over in Dec 2019 and just consider the current season where he is now adding winning mentality, done it at that level type players. 

Our recruitment is good and in seasons to come we won't go splash like this season but add one or two critical players to the squad, just as Arsenal have recruited in past few seasons. If you don't see the similarity..... but the point is GP won't achieve what a sh*tty Arteta, as some regard him,  already has. 

Arsenal's first FA Cup final in 7 years beating our own Lamps after beating City in earlier round is same season he was employed. 

GP has crashed in both domestic cups against good opposition yes but crashed nevertheless nd I don't see him winning a domestic cup anytime soon. 

Difference you ask. Well which do you want to pick?  Difference in Impact, in delivery, in achievement as a player and manager, in attitude. 

All well and good to give a measured response about anger regarding decisions but there's a trick he missed. Sometimes you need to sow that doubt, that fear in the officials about getting calls wrong. That way there's a mental shift in the way they make decisions about your team resulting in calls going your way more often than not. Fergie, Mou, Klopp, Zidane, Poch, Tuchel, Hiddink, Van Gaal, even a cool head like Ancelloti, they all do this. Its not just about making noise, there's a reason they do. 

His first season and a half he hit lows in terms of league positions not Wenger even at his worst managed, and did it while playing eye bleeding football for the most part (he wasn't even playing youth bar Saka until Auba, Luiz and Willian breaking Covid protocol forced his hand).

Yes the domestic cup was nice but ultimately merely matching what greats like Redknapp, McLaren, McLeish, Souness and Martinez managed with inferior squads, heck even Wenger when totally past his best to the point Arsenal fans were protesting against him won it three times.

Yes sadly he seems to have found/stumbled across a way to make Arsenal competitive but this rewriting of history on his early spell is ridiculous, there was nothing to suggest this was coming, absolutely nothing.

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22 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo is the best signing, if he gets a decent manager he'll win the PL more times than both of those Liverpool players you suggested.

Literally the person said 

So it's once again you ignoring whatever you want and making your own reality.

So you saying people saying the squad is bad you mean you were saying the squad is bad?

Suarez is the best number 9 of this generation, Enzo has played 2 games for us. Don't make me laugh.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Yes sadly he seems to have found/stumbled across a way to make Arsenal competitive but this rewriting of history on his early spell is ridiculous, there was nothing to suggest this was coming, absolutely nothing.

Ok your opinion is valid as well even though mine is a ridiculous rewriting of history. I'd love it, absolutely love it if GP were to stumble into making us competitive. 

I'm not calling for his head straightaway, because I always believe in giving managers at least a season. Although technically maybe I am.  The reason is that nothing in his career suggests he will come good. He's not a young manager as some say. He's been managing for over a decade, several teams too in different leagues. He can't get the benefit of the doubt as Arteta should have gotten with his first gig, or Lampard with his second gig, because we have a decade worth of managerial stats to analyse. 

3 hours ago, smileysmiles said:

OK so one game..... wow. We should have signed him for 10 years then.

You just said it was clear to everyone Brighton became better offensively after he left. 

I pointed out that it isnt clear to everyone. Brighton were pretty good offensively in the 4 or 5 weeks before he left and in the end of last season. 

So perhaps Brighton got better offensively because of him, not in spite of him. 

47 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So you saying people saying the squad is bad you mean you were saying the squad is bad?

 

It's not me who said it, I just included it since it was from the person I responded to as a quote, you can check yourself page 202 it's that simple.

31 minutes ago, abister1 said:

Ok your opinion is valid as well even though mine is a ridiculous rewriting of history. I'd love it, absolutely love it if GP were to stumble into making us competitive. 

I'm not calling for his head straightaway, because I always believe in giving managers at least a season. Although technically maybe I am.  The reason is that nothing in his career suggests he will come good. He's not a young manager as some say. He's been managing for over a decade, several teams too in different leagues. He can't get the benefit of the doubt as Arteta should have gotten with his first gig, or Lampard with his second gig, because we have a decade worth of managerial stats to analyse. 

I'm not even talking about Potter here just this narrative that the signs "were always there" with Arteta, they absolutely weren't

25 minutes ago, Argo said:

I'm not even talking about Potter here just this narrative that the signs "were always there" with Arteta, they absolutely weren't

Hindsight at its finest. 

There is no way this same energy towards Arteta was applied 1.5-2 years ago when Arsenal were struggling and looked clueless every match week. Arteta was close to being sacked January 2021. 

Edited February 15, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

This forum and especially this thread is such a Roman Abramovich mausoleum.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Hindsight at its finest. 

There is no way this same energy towards Arteta was applied 1.5-2 years ago when Arsenal were struggling and looked clueless every match week. Arteta was close to being sacked January 2021. 

Even last season they bottled top four with no other distractions.

9 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Really??

Almost every single Chelsea fan wanted to give tuchel more time, at least until Christmas. 

I wanted Frank, Conte and Jose sacked. I wanted Sarri Tuchel and now Potter to have more time. 

In hindsight, it appears losing Tuchel was the right decision as he didn't gel with the ownership.

Most backed him yes, just as most are backing Potter now if polls on here are to go by, however, the Pottersexuals on here never gave Tuchel a chance and wanted him sacked as soon as we hit a bit of bad form. If Potter won the Champions League I would take back everything I said about him, and I've said nothing good about Potter. 

Edited February 15, 20233 yr by Victor90