2 minutes ago, loz said:

The Potter has ruined what Tuchel would have done activists are beginning to sound ridiculous. We were on a big slide under Tuchel, were playing awful football, many players simply going through the motion on match day and let's not forget that those pointing out the performances of Sterling, Cucurella and Koulibaly are not accepting they were Tuchel buys.

Have we improved dramatically under Potter? No absolutely not. Our CL campaign has been saved but domestically we are once again struggling after a few decent results (but not necessarily decent performamces). However we are certainly no worse and regardless of who replaced him Tuchel was on a slippery slope that only had one outcome.

What we do need is a rebuild and that's been the case for a while. Some of the money spent in the summer by Tuchel hasn't helped with that and we didn't push enough players out, albeit that can be difficult with the wages they are on. 

Of the current squad you could lose RLC, Jorginho, Ziyech, Aubameyang, Pulisic and Havertz without trying hard and without remotely losing anything of real quality. 

There are others like Koulibaly, Sterling and Mendy who you would think should be moved on but they will be more difficult to shift. 

Obviously we aren't going to move on that many players in one window but moving on the 6 in my first list would be a very successful outgoing window.

Great post. Very sensible analysis 👍

8 minutes ago, Droy said:

And dead and buried after Game 1 away from home in the group stages? f**k off.

If that's your best defence for Potter then that speaks volumes already.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12691866/thomas-tuchel-sacked-by-chelsea-where-did-it-go-wrong-for-the-head-coach-at-stamford-bridge

I personally would have given Tuchel until now, start of the World Cup, to turn it around. We spent hugely, (biggest spenders in Europe), but there is no doubt things were not right and of course there was absolutely no guarantee he would have turned it around. 

Is Potter the right man? Who knows but I am perfectly prepared to give him a chance, even if it means finishing outside the top 4 this season. I also think we will probably see an improvement when James, Kante, Fofana, Chilwell and Kovacic are fit and available.

I would go for Trossard in Jan, if possible. Maybe Ivan Toney too. I want players with talent and mentality, not just talent. Pulisic isn't good enough, neither is Ziyech, Our forward line needs a revamp. Havertz is disappointing again. After two seasons at the club I would expect Havertz to show his true abilities at this point, but no, he's living off a CL goal. He's brought very little to the team and he cost close to £80m. 

4 minutes ago, loz said:

However we are certainly no worse

Did we once in 20 months under Tuchel go four league games without a win? Did we even lose two in a row?

The last question I am not sure about but almost 100% we never went 4 in a row without a win. Everyone can see we are far f**king worse.

 

Tired of saying the same thing game after game.  So I'll simply say, we should have gone with a back three!

That aside, we have a distinct lack of quality in both players and potentially management/coaching.  From there, we are always second best when it comes to fitness, preparedness, organization, work rate and general passion/will to win.

These problems are deep.  Disgraceful performance and approaching that bad stage when player egos take over.  Worse Chelsea team since early/mid 90s to me.

 

2 minutes ago, just said:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12691866/thomas-tuchel-sacked-by-chelsea-where-did-it-go-wrong-for-the-head-coach-at-stamford-bridge

I personally would have given Tuchel until now, start of the World Cup, to turn it around. We spent hugely, (biggest spenders in Europe), but there is no doubt things were not right and of course there was absolutely no guarantee he would have turned it around. 

Is Potter the right man? Who knows but I am perfectly prepared to give him a chance, even if it means finishing outside the top 4 this season. I also think we will probably see an improvement when James, Kante, Fofana, Chilwell and Kovacic are fit and available.

Even if he's lost the dressing room? There are obvious signs of just that already.

We are usually a patient fanbase. But with Potter I think there is a stench of incompetence and many are sniffing that out and that's why so very many are on him already. He's done almost everything wrong so far and i think the players are rapidly losing faith in him as well. They know what they are, most of them are European Champions and if not that then serial winners at other clubs like Sterling.

Maybe some of Potters supporters will accept 8th place or something but I doubt players and the majority of the fanbase will.

4 minutes ago, enigma said:

I would go for Trossard in Jan, if possible. Maybe Ivan Toney too. I want players with talent and mentality, not just talent. Pulisic isn't good enough, neither is Ziyech, Our forward line needs a revamp. Havertz is disappointing again. After two seasons at the club I would expect Havertz to show his true abilities at this point, but no, he's living off a CL goal. He's brought very little to the team and he cost close to £80m. 

No...

8 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

Good ebening 2-0 in front against Man Utd does make me smile a bit 

Yup

Just now, Droy said:

Even if he's lost the dressing room? There are obvious signs of just that already.

We are usually a patient fanbase. But with Potter I think there is a stench of incompetence and many are sniffing that out and that's why so very many are on him already. He's done almost everything wrong so far and i think the players are rapidly losing faith in him as well. They know what they are, most of them are European Champions and if not that then serial winners at other clubs like Sterling.

Maybe some of Potters supporters will accept 8th place or something but I doubt players and the majority of the fanbase will.

8th, there are at least 10 teams better than us at the moment, just as we go into our normal christmas collapse. The world cup will do us no favours other than breathing space. Giving Potter a five year deal was crazy and if not now will cost us.

2 minutes ago, Lang7 said:

I read your post and forgot to reply. I really don’t buy in to the whole club sanction/Ukrainian war patter as a valid excuse. Chelsea were never going to go bust, it was inevitable that either a compromise would be struck with Roman or we’d have new owners. As a football manager, your job is to win football matches. The rest is chaff. If you’re so weak-minded that the thought of a new owner throws you, you shouldn’t be managing Chelsea.

The personal stuff with his wife I accept is going to affect his ability. Allowing Tuchel to sign players only to fire him was a crazy decision from Boehly et al. that reeks of inexperience.

Your point on “seeing how good [the football was] when it clicked”, I must be watching a different Chelsea to you. The football was turgid, sideways sh*te.

And as for squad injuries, isn’t it just ironic that you’d (rightly) single out James and Chilwell as two huge losses contributing to our overall performance. Now Potter is in the same position with a heavily depleted squad yet you won’t extend the same courtesy.

Because Potter is an inferior coach, there is nothing more to it. Tuchel could only do so much and Potter won't even achieve that. Even when he had Chilwell and James available, he's still been f**king around and playing Sterling at wing back. With Tuchel, he could get something out of this squad, even with the injuries, with Potter, we are competition for a place in the top half of the table.

Very poor performance by us today.

I do hope that the World Cup break enables us to regroup.

5 minutes ago, Droy said:

Did we once in 20 months under Tuchel go four league games without a win? Did we even lose two in a row?

The last question I am not sure about but almost 100% we never went 4 in a row without a win. Everyone can see we are far f**king worse.

 

No idea about stats about a particular runs of resuts at a point in time  but in honesty that tells you about as much as Penthouse does about global economics. 

Over Tuchel's reign the results were great for a while then started to deteriorate and did do for an extended period. Our defending got worse and worse and up front we offered less and less. Dare say the stats exist somewhere but I can't be arsed finding them. I know what i was watching. 

I would have given Tuchel more time but not for a second can I buy into the delusion that we were any better by the last 20 or 30 of his games than we are nowm

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

Because Potter is an inferior coach, there is nothing more to it. Tuchel could only do so much and Potter won't even achieve that. Even when he had Chilwell and James available, he's still been f**king around and playing Sterling at wing back. With Tuchel, he could get something out of this squad, even with the injuries, with Potter, we are competition for a place in the top half of the table.

In other words: “I’ve decided Potter is not good enough so he shouldn’t be given the same chance as the last guy”.

Didn't replace JT, didn't replace Hazard, who will fill Kante's boots...

The main problem now is we cannot put the ball in the net - I don't think that's Potters fault or Lukaku or Auba... it's the service there is none

And that problem has been there for a long time now... there's something wrong in the dressing room - they're not playing for each other - I think the main problem is Mount as soon as he's not there the others seemed to become a bit more active...

And all this f*cking around at the back playing the ball out... it's frightening... lost another goal because of it today - Silva I think

 

2 minutes ago, loz said:

I would have given Tuchel more time but not for a second can I buy into the delusion that we were any better by the last 20 or 30 of his games than we are nowm

Would have to disagree. Of course we had a lot of poor games in that period but we were good enough to comfortably get Top 4. Can anyone see that happening this season with Potter?

And we had some top games against for example Madrid at Bernabeu, Liverpool in the cup finals and trashed more than one mid table side even towards the end of last season with everything going on.

Just now, Lang7 said:

In other words: “I’ve decided Potter is not good enough so he shouldn’t be given the same chance as the last guy”.

No, he just looks tactically out of his depth, just like how you know a player is well out of his depth just by watching him play a few times, like Saul and Bakayoko. I can't think of a single person that would ever think Sterling at wing back would be an option, but Potter tried it, and not just once either. It's like telling a striker to play DM.

I think we are writing off Potter way too early. Let's not do that yet. Remember Arsenal fans calling for Arteta's sack a couple of seaons back?

If Boehly indeed thinks of this as a long term project, then let him and Potter have at least a couple more windows to get the right kind of players in. Then maybe we can start judging Potter towards the end of next season.

No accountability either just they were the better team.

4 minutes ago, Droy said:

Even if he's lost the dressing room? There are obvious signs of just that already.

We are usually a patient fanbase. But with Potter I think there is a stench of incompetence and many are sniffing that out and that's why so very many are on him already. He's done almost everything wrong so far and i think the players are rapidly losing faith in him as well. They know what they are, most of them are European Champions and if not that then serial winners at other clubs like Sterling.

Maybe some of Potters supporters will accept 8th place or something but I doubt players and the majority of the fanbase will.

But there were signs of Tuchel having lost the dressing room!! And comments from a few players since he left have also hinted at that.

Everybody knows there are so many players that need to be moved on. Some are past it, some haven't lived up to expectations, and some are just sh*te. Ziyech, Pulisic, Jorginho, RLC, Havertz, Apzi. And a couple of Tuchel's summer signings are also looking very poor, notably Aubameyang and Cucurella.

 

Thiago Silva was angrily waving at Potter against Brighton like ‘‘wtf have you done to us?“

Cucurella started on fire under tuchel.

1 minute ago, just said:

But there were signs of Tuchel having lost the dressing room!! And comments from a few players since he left have also hinted at that.

Everybody knows there are so many players that need to be moved on. Some are past it, some haven't lived up to expectations, and some are just sh*te. Ziyech, Pulisic, Jorginho, RLC, Havertz, Apzi. And a couple of Tuchel's summer signings are also looking very poor, notably Aubameyang and Cucurella.

 

Ok but that doesn't matter now does it? This isn't about Tuchel getting the sack or not.

It's about our current manager and he's filling no one with confidence. Including the players. Wolves and Villa have just gone and hired Loptegui and Emery, both are far superior managers to Potter with better CVs and better everything. Why is Potter here is my question?

Potter talks like we are a fourth div team who need to learn how to play with his experimental systems  it is very obvious he is out of his depth at Chelsea  Its great for the the newspapers and TV to write their stories of collage boy done great come up the divisions to manage a TOP 6 club but in the mean time we are falling apart and becoming a laughing stock  with a yank at the top who has no clue who to buy  and a manager that thinks its great to play an england striker at wing back  its a joke BYE BYE POTTER 

5 minutes ago, just said:

But there were signs of Tuchel having lost the dressing room!! And comments from a few players since he left have also hinted at that.

Everybody knows there are so many players that need to be moved on. Some are past it, some haven't lived up to expectations, and some are just sh*te. Ziyech, Pulisic, Jorginho, RLC, Havertz, Apzi. And a couple of Tuchel's summer signings are also looking very poor, notably Aubameyang and Cucurella.

 

At this point it pretty much doesn't matter. The question is, can Potter bring the right calibre of players in and can he sort the squad out by the time the transfer window comes?

4 minutes ago, smileysmiles said:

Cucurella started on fire under tuchel.

Really? All I have seen so far is another small, physically lightweight player who isn't a great defender.