29 minutes ago, Zeta said:

If the new manager is announced soon, he should come in immediately. There's benefit to him getting a few extra weeks to start assessing players and getting his ideas across. And no benefit to leaving Frank in charge when we have someone ready.

Is it? If it's Pochettino it's very unlikely he'll be able to change stuff that quick (given our fixtures, current poor fitness and how he likes a pressing game) so it would be a likely baptism of fire and lets be honest here a poor start + his Spurs connections = crowd turning on him very very quickly.

11 minutes ago, Argo said:

Is it? If it's Pochettino it's very unlikely he'll be able to change stuff that quick (given our fixtures, current poor fitness and how he likes a pressing game) so it would be a likely baptism of fire and lets be honest here a poor start + his Spurs connections = crowd turning on him very very quickly.

Absolutely nothing to play for right now, I think putting our potential next season manager in charge now could really backfire on us.

Would rather just give it to Frank for the rest of the season, unless things get stupid like Tottenham yesterday.  

2 hours ago, Zeta said:

If the new manager is announced soon, he should come in immediately. There's benefit to him getting a few extra weeks to start assessing players and getting his ideas across. And no benefit to leaving Frank in charge when we have someone ready.

I disagree completely. I think it would be disgusting if we fired Frank before he even get to finish the season. Everybody knew he wasn’t here to win us the CL, he came to give the owners time to find the right manager so really he’s doing us a favour.

Plus he’s Frank Lampard. A Chelsea legend, let’s not disrespect a legend like that.

If it is the large squad hurting the managers ( a number of managers have spoken about this topic) best to let Frank stay until the Summer anyway.

Spurs just sacked their interim manager after 4 games. Realistically with our remaining fixtures we aren't getting more than 5 points under Lampard. If Pochettino is willing to come in now we should let him 

7 hours ago, charierre said:

Announce the new manager and tell the players they are playing  for a place in next seasons squad. 

Yep, and then still get rid of most of them regardless.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Spurs just sacked their interim manager after 4 games. Realistically with our remaining fixtures we aren't getting more than 5 points under Lampard. If Pochettino is willing to come in now we should let him 

Think its best he watched from the stands instead of getting involved in this mess. 

No incoming manager should have the stink of this season on them. In addition, they'll have to deal with all the existing problems which have torpedoed this season, without being able to tap into any sort of motivation because there's nothing to play for. He should come in during the summer and benefit from the 'fresh start' narrative, without personally having to deal with any players who don't want to be here or who he doesn't want to use (and one would assume there are a few).

Pochettino can still be given access to all relevant data, all relevant footage and can still make decisions without having to bear (or being to seen to bear) responsibility for the utter catastrophe of this season. End it with as much dignity as possible, with as much of an eye on the future as possible, and let's never speak of it again.

Sorry Frank...

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Pochetino should be coming in as soon as possible. Don’t see any benefit to keeping frank until end of the season. No one is going to attach blame for this season to Pochetino and it will give him extra time to assess who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of.

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Spurs just sacked their interim manager after 4 games. Realistically with our remaining fixtures we aren't getting more than 5 points under Lampard. If Pochettino is willing to come in now we should let him 

Copying whatever Spurs is doing seems like a good idea.

34 minutes ago, Dubair said:

 No one is going to attach blame for this season to Pochetino 

That's easy to say before the event but there's not a snowball in hells chance it would work out like that in practice.

16 hours ago, evissy said:

That is not the point. You have to sell them something. Motivation. Let's just finish off the season on a high is not a motivation. Good competition inside the squad would be helpful I think. 

The season is over unless you give them significant bonus for finishing in some position, you can't motivate them financially. 

Our position is similar to mid table team who has no shot at getting to Europe. 

9 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Spurs just sacked their interim manager after 4 games. Realistically with our remaining fixtures we aren't getting more than 5 points under Lampard. If Pochettino is willing to come in now we should let him 

Why do we want to sack lamp? 

The gameplan against Madrid was very good. The game vs brighton was irrelevant. 

12 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

Spurs just sacked their interim manager after 4 games. Realistically with our remaining fixtures we aren't getting more than 5 points under Lampard. If Pochettino is willing to come in now we should let him 

Why? So we can finish 10th instead of 11th? If he comes in now and starts poorly (which is likely with the current squad) then fans will turn on him quickly with his past. Best to let him have a clean slate in summer. 

 

It's pretty clear that he only played the youth in 2019 because we had a transfer ban at this point

4 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

 

It's pretty clear that he only played the youth in 2019 because we had a transfer ban at this point

Is pretty funny when you think about it. How the likes of Felix and Sterling "deserve it" apparently.

16 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

 

It's pretty clear that he only played the youth in 2019 because we had a transfer ban at this point

I always thought the "Lampard develops youth" was thrown around far too much by our fans.

He did a great job with the likes of Reece, Mount, and Abraham, but Reece and Abraham were always going to get given a chance under any manager given our situation at the time. Mount, I'll definitely give Lampard props for that, he stuck by him when people were iffy on Mason being ready for top level.

But people always fail to mention how he sidelined CHO and Tomori. The Tomori one especially for me was strange as despite the mistakes he was making, he was still showing strong signs of progress before he shafted him.

9 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I always thought the "Lampard develops youth" was thrown around far too much by our fans.

He did a great job with the likes of Reece, Mount, and Abraham, but Reece and Abraham were always going to get given a chance under any manager given our situation at the time. Mount, I'll definitely give Lampard props for that, he stuck by him when people were iffy on Mason being ready for top level.

But people always fail to mention how he sidelined CHO and Tomori. The Tomori one especially for me was strange as despite the mistakes he was making, he was still showing strong signs of progress before he shafted him.

If I'm honest I disagree he only did it for the ban or that anyone would (Jose himself as good as said on sky sports he wouldn't have given Mount and Tammy the same opportunities) but i do agree he wasn't perfect with it.

However it made me laugh when Tuchel was getting branded a youth hating maniac when almost every "anti youth" thing he did I could think of a similar thing Lampard did.

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Just now, Argo said:

If I'm honest I disagree he only did it for the ban (Jose himself as good as said on sky sports he wouldn't have given Mount and Tammy the same opportunities) but i do agree he wasn't perfect with it.

However it made me laugh when Tuchel was getting branded a youth hating maniac when almost every "anti youth" thing he did I could think of a similar thing Lampard did.

Tammy was getting hyped up a lot at Villa and with good reason. We needed someone who could score goals. I think most managers would've given Tammy a good chance. Especially when you factor in that any manager at that time would've been experiencing the transfer ban. 

Mason Mount, on the other hand, is one player I do think we have to give credit to Lampard for. 

But yeah I didn't really notice a difference between Tuchel and Frank. I thought Mount and Reece came on better, CHO was even playing more under Tuchel. Abraham not so much but he looked on his way out under Frank in fairness. 

15 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I always thought the "Lampard develops youth" was thrown around far too much by our fans.

He did a great job with the likes of Reece, Mount, and Abraham, but Reece and Abraham were always going to get given a chance under any manager given our situation at the time. Mount, I'll definitely give Lampard props for that, he stuck by him when people were iffy on Mason being ready for top level.

But people always fail to mention how he sidelined CHO and Tomori. The Tomori one especially for me was strange as despite the mistakes he was making, he was still showing strong signs of progress before he shafted him.

Add Rudiger and Alonso to the list of those he sidelined. Frank has problems with strong personalities.

7 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I think most managers would've given Tammy a good chance. Especially when you factor in that any manager at that time would've been experiencing the transfer ban. 
 

Tuchel didnt.

Just now, dkw said:

Tuchel didnt.

Tammy started to lose his place to Giroud under Frank. He wasn't looking like the same player in the next season either. 

I personally think he was on his way out regardless. I liked Abraham but I still don't think he'll ever be Chelsea material. Although, I wouldn't have minded having him for this particular season. 

Why would we let Pochettino anywhere near the club until the season is over. He has a big enough job winning the fans over before he starts building a squad that’s Top 4 material. Let us play the younger or lesser Prem experienced players until the end of the season then they know what to prepare for next season.  I’m sure Super will hand over a big file to Pochettino on players that want to play for us and ones that need ditching straight away!

53 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

I always thought the "Lampard develops youth" was thrown around far too much by our fans.

He did a great job with the likes of Reece, Mount, and Abraham, but Reece and Abraham were always going to get given a chance under any manager given our situation at the time. Mount, I'll definitely give Lampard props for that, he stuck by him when people were iffy on Mason being ready for top level.

But people always fail to mention how he sidelined CHO and Tomori. The Tomori one especially for me was strange as despite the mistakes he was making, he was still showing strong signs of progress before he shafted him.

Big time shafted Tomori as he had spent the previous season working directly with him at Derby

23 minutes ago, Diamondgeezer said:

Why would we let Pochettino anywhere near the club until the season is over. He has a big enough job winning the fans over before he starts building a squad that’s Top 4 material. Let us play the younger or lesser Prem experienced players until the end of the season then they know what to prepare for next season.  I’m sure Super will hand over a big file to Pochettino on players that want to play for us and ones that need ditching straight away!

Because he has got 15 players to assess and get out of the door