4 minutes ago, Mod said:

It's still young for a manager. De Zerbi is 44!

What's the cutoff? Any chance Roy Hodgson can still make the cut?

Just now, yaz said:

What's the cutoff? Any chance Roy Hodgson can still make the cut?

Guus Hiddink still makes the grade!

Just when things were starting to look a little optimistic for the first team since Clearlake took over, this happens. I wasn't convinced by Poch, but it felt like he made decent progress over the course of the season and we accumulated more points than all but top 3 in the second half of the season. More importantly though the players clearly loved him. With that in mind this decision made no logic on either side unless there was a clear sticking point between Poch and the owners. Rumors suggest that it was the likely sale of key players (Presumably Conor and Trev) that were that sticking point and that seems most likely. I suppose we will know in due course.

While several (mostly uninspiring) names have been linked as replacements, I suspect we have already got an agreement with De Zerbi. I thought it was odd when he announced he was leaving Brighton, but now it makes a lot more sense. The club will have targeted him as (a) he is from Brighton, (b) he has worked with several key squad members before, (c) he is from Brighton...

Now we can also see that there was probably a lot of truth in the rumors that Nagelsmann and Enrique walked away without interest after the interview as they clearly did not want to work under these conditions.

I won't be surprised if we sell Conor/Trev etc. before appointing a new manager. Either way we have to start the whole process again and another season of rebuilding beckons. Probably followed by more sales of key players to balance the expensive mistakes of the owners.

I’ve gone from thinking we could finish top 4 next season to now thinking we’ll be lucky to be top 8.

Haven’t felt this deflated about the club in a long time.

Complete clucking shambles. I've stood behind most of what the septics have done since coming in, but this is obviously and easily the dumbest thing. Poch, finally, had us in a groove. the young players finding their feet and responding to the manager. The owners have such bad fomo that they just knee jerk to anyone who is mentioned as possibly the next great manager/player and forget just what they have already. If we sell Conor (and to a lessor degree Trevor), then we need to make a stand and say no to these clueless idiots. We are literally back at the start of the Potter era tonight. Just when we had something to feel good about, and all the basket case comments had no grounding, they do this. I am flipped, out with the Yanks, they simply do not understand football.

12 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Just when things were starting to look a little optimistic for the first team since Clearlake took over, this happens. I wasn't convinced by Poch, but it felt like he made decent progress over the course of the season and we accumulated more points than all but top 3 in the second half of the season. More importantly though the players clearly loved him. With that in mind this decision made no logic on either side unless there was a clear sticking point between Poch and the owners. Rumors suggest that it was the likely sale of key players (Presumably Conor and Trev) that were that sticking point and that seems most likely. I suppose we will know in due course.

While several (mostly uninspiring) names have been linked as replacements, I suspect we have already got an agreement with De Zerbi. I thought it was odd when he announced he was leaving Brighton, but now it makes a lot more sense. The club will have targeted him as (a) he is from Brighton, (b) he has worked with several key squad members before, (c) he is from Brighton...

Now we can also see that there was probably a lot of truth in the rumors that Nagelsmann and Enrique walked away without interest after the interview as they clearly did not want to work under these conditions.

I won't be surprised if we sell Conor/Trev etc. before appointing a new manager. Either way we have to start the whole process again and another season of rebuilding beckons. Probably followed by more sales of key players to balance the expensive mistakes of the owners.

From what I read, Poch wanted a contract extension and more say in the transfers, and even though he did better in the second half of the season IMO that is just too much power to be given to a manager that finished 6th. 

17 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Just when things were starting to look a little optimistic for the first team since Clearlake took over, this happens. I wasn't convinced by Poch, but it felt like he made decent progress over the course of the season and we accumulated more points than all but top 3 in the second half of the season. More importantly though the players clearly loved him. With that in mind this decision made no logic on either side unless there was a clear sticking point between Poch and the owners. Rumors suggest that it was the likely sale of key players (Presumably Conor and Trev) that were that sticking point and that seems most likely. I suppose we will know in due course.

While several (mostly uninspiring) names have been linked as replacements, I suspect we have already got an agreement with De Zerbi. I thought it was odd when he announced he was leaving Brighton, but now it makes a lot more sense. The club will have targeted him as (a) he is from Brighton, (b) he has worked with several key squad members before, (c) he is from Brighton...

Now we can also see that there was probably a lot of truth in the rumors that Nagelsmann and Enrique walked away without interest after the interview as they clearly did not want to work under these conditions.

I won't be surprised if we sell Conor/Trev etc. before appointing a new manager. Either way we have to start the whole process again and another season of rebuilding beckons. Probably followed by more sales of key players to balance the expensive mistakes of the owners.

It will be RDZ, I reckon there wont be an announcement for a few weeks as he and his staff will go on holidays. 

They don't need him to be here for like 6 weeks anyway.

It's not an entirely unjustified turn of events:

• Horrible injury record
• Ridiculous amount of yellow cards
• 9 wins out of last 18 games - 5 of which were narrow wins from compromising a strong position
• 5,203,679 chances conceded in the exact same manner by a cross to the back post

The manner and timing are poor, the talk of inexperienced candidates is demoralising and of course there is every chance it is a ruse to just move on players and get even more of a puppet in place, but there are also valid reasons why a 5-game run of wins doesn't necessarily mean Pochettino was a good fit for the club.

 

5 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

It's not an entirely unjustified turn of events:

• Horrible injury record
• Ridiculous amount of yellow cards
• 9 wins out of last 18 games - 5 of which were narrow wins from compromising a strong position
• 5,203,679 chances conceded in the exact same manner by a cross to the back post

The manner and timing are poor, the talk of inexperienced candidates is demoralising and of course there is every chance it is a ruse to just move on players and get even more of a puppet in place, but there are also valid reasons why a 5-game run of wins doesn't necessarily mean Pochettino was a good fit for the club.

 

" doesn't necessarily mean Pochettino was a good fit for the club." Agree on most of this but you forget the yanks employed Poch only a season ago, like they did Potter (I'm forgetting Lamps on purpose). Either they have ridiculously high standards and ridiculously low patience, or, they don't have a bloody clue. I err towards the latter.

Just now, ChumpX said:

" doesn't necessarily mean Pochettino was a good fit for the club." Agree on most of this but you forget the yanks employed Poch only a season ago, like they did Potter (I'm forgetting Lamps on purpose). Either they have ridiculously high standards and ridiculously low patience, or, they don't have a bloody clue. I err towards the latter.

Oh they're f**king stupid, there's no argument about that although it is clearer now that it is Clearlake and not Boehly that is calling the shots, a horrible outcome really

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2024/5/22/24162143/todd-boehly-was-poch-in-but-behdad-eghbali-was-poch-out-and-we-know-who-won-report

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

From what I read, Poch wanted a contract extension and more say in the transfers, and even though he did better in the second half of the season IMO that is just too much power to be given to a manager that finished 6th. 

Poch supposedly was more worried about the potential sales than control of incoming transfers. I think that aligned with just having 1 year left on his deal left him feeling like it might be better to move on while he had some momentum. 

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

From what I read, Poch wanted a contract extension and more say in the transfers, and even though he did better in the second half of the season IMO that is just too much power to be given to a manager that finished 6th. 

I don't really see too much wrong with those demands. He was only on a 2 year contract, so with 1 year left, maybe he thought he would test just how much they valued him. Having a say on the transfers I suspect had a lot to do with players going out rather than players coming in.

Embarrassing 

2 hours ago, Jezz said:

I’ve gone from thinking we could finish top 4 next season to now thinking we’ll be lucky to be top 8.

Haven’t felt this deflated about the club in a long time.

Agreed. If we are really looking at some of the young managers being named I'd say we are effectively rebooting and can expect a repeat of the chaos we have seen over the last couple of seasons. There is no guarantee that players who have progressed under Poch will continue to work well under a new manager. Other players may benefit perhaps but remains to be seen. Not to mention we still have to solve the chronic injury problems. under Poch I would have had genuine optimism of a top 4 finish next season. Now I have no idea and given the way the club is being run I am finding it increasingly difficult to care.

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

It's not an entirely unjustified turn of events:

• Horrible injury record
• Ridiculous amount of yellow cards
• 9 wins out of last 18 games - 5 of which were narrow wins from compromising a strong position
• 5,203,679 chances conceded in the exact same manner by a cross to the back post

The manner and timing are poor, the talk of inexperienced candidates is demoralising and of course there is every chance it is a ruse to just move on players and get even more of a puppet in place, but there are also valid reasons why a 5-game run of wins doesn't necessarily mean Pochettino was a good fit for the club.

 

There is a reason why arse lineup is

Tomiyasu - Gabriel - Saliba - White 

Basically 4 giants 😁😁😁

 

So Tuchel didn’t want huge say in transfers… gone

potter just sucked… begrudgingly gone

poch said he’d want more say in transfers… still gone.

 

and it is going to be very interesting to see the blowback ownership gets when they sell Conor and Trev… should hear about it daily and very loudy every home game.

egbali out!!!

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

It's not an entirely unjustified turn of events:

• Horrible injury record
• Ridiculous amount of yellow cards
• 9 wins out of last 18 games - 5 of which were narrow wins from compromising a strong position
• 5,203,679 chances conceded in the exact same manner by a cross to the back post

The manner and timing are poor, the talk of inexperienced candidates is demoralising and of course there is every chance it is a ruse to just move on players and get even more of a puppet in place, but there are also valid reasons why a 5-game run of wins doesn't necessarily mean Pochettino was a good fit for the club.

 

I have a feeling it is not about result or performance. It is about transfer and more importantly the squad. 

 

Unless you're hiring someone like Ancelotti or Alonso (clear upgrades on Poch), then all we're getting at best is a sideways appointment or a downgrade on what we had.

The stupidity of the decision never ceases to amaze me. This is worse than Tuchel's departure in September 2022 and people were raging over that.

53 minutes ago, Jezz said:

Unless you're hiring someone like Ancelotti or Alonso (clear upgrades on Poch), then all we're getting at best is a sideways appointment or a downgrade on what we had.

The stupidity of the decision never ceases to amaze me. This is worse than Tuchel's departure in September 2022 and people were raging over that.

Alonso had just finished an invincible season where he asked his board to sign ready player. 

No way in hell, he will be interested managing a team where the board want you to keep signing wonderkida and want your to develop them. 

 

 

Edited May 22, 20242 yr by Bob stark

6 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

I think Pooch told the SD to foff... and that's why he's out... they're looking for a younger guy who they can boss about and will follow the board...

Personally I think they're a bunch of w**kers but next season will tell...

Think they've also made it very difficult for the next manager.

Why do they need a coach then ? The useless SDs together can coach if they just want a yes man.

4 hours ago, Jezz said:

I’ve gone from thinking we could finish top 4 next season to now thinking we’ll be lucky to be top 8.

Haven’t felt this deflated about the club in a long time.

Agreed.

I thought and still think Poch needed two full seasons to sort out the mess he found when he was appointed last summer.

There seems to be no consistency and direction from the owners.

 

1 hour ago, Jezz said:

Unless you're hiring someone like Ancelotti or Alonso (clear upgrades on Poch), then all we're getting at best is a sideways appointment or a downgrade on what we had.

The stupidity of the decision never ceases to amaze me. This is worse than Tuchel's departure in September 2022 and people were raging over that.

Very true.

7 hours ago, carrickblue said:

But McKenna is totally untested at this level.

The only place you go from League One then the Championship to top 4 in the Premier League and being competitive in Europe is with Roy Race at Melchester Rovers 

Remember they wanted Vincent Kompany last season. Maybe these eggheads want to get us relegated.

7 hours ago, Bob stark said:

TT is the worse manager for this job. 

That wasn't the point being made though was it.