1 hour ago, just said:

A lot of them, particularly @Munkworth, wanted Emma Hayes to get the job in the first place.

No I didn’t. Leave Emma alone!

13 hours ago, just said:

Looks like we are selling Gallagher to finance the Neymar deal.

Oh god, don't even joke about that.

Posh doesn't officially start until July 1. That is of course too late. Despite the fact its player holidays the decisions about the squad are being made now. I hope the reality is that he is unofficially hard at work. Coaches have short tenures, typically 2.5 seasons with good ones a bit longer, there isn't a minute to relax the entire time.

44 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Posh doesn't officially start until July 1. That is of course too late.

I`m pretty sure him not starting officially doesn't stop him having conversations with the owners, coaches, players etc.

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

I`m pretty sure him not starting officially doesn't stop him having conversations with the owners, coaches, players etc.

He will have been all over the club with a magnifying glass before signing his contract.

15 minutes ago, dermott said:

He will have been all over the club with a magnifying glass before signing his contract.

Apparently he interviewed the owners/directors as much as they interviewed him which is clearly a good thing.

And he's obviously started work already, just unofficially. I do think he's already making his feelings very clear to our directors though, especially after losing out on Ugarte with Mount, Kante & Kovacic on their way out.

I would think it's pretty obvious that he has started, but it will only be official on July 1st, as that way, he has no affect on our dismal FFP situation. July 1st is day 1 of next years FFP calculations.

Todd- OK Pochettino you’re hired, you can start on July 1st. 
Pochettino- OK Todd. 
Todd to himself- Great, just gives me time to sign some bloke called Neymar, a great defender called Maguire, sell someone called Mount and another called Gallagher. All for an outlay of £400m whatever that is. Before our new manager starts, whoever that is. 

On 06/06/2023 at 14:09, RIP Mourinho said:

Cup competition, we can't watch Enzo get dribbled past for 38 games a season. For someone that rates Enzo so highly its almost like you don't want to see him succeed here with the reluctance to help him out with a DM to allow him to play his own game without worrying about transitions. 

You getting the lowest score on the predictions thread for the year makes more sense with every post you make. 

Enzo is more than capable of playing his own game without worrying about anything, without having a passive player behind him, that much I'm sure about and I'm 100% certain that he'll succeed anywhere without such a player to babysit him. That's how much I rate him and for a good reason too, he's only 21, has just come to the league and is automatically a key player and one of the best January signings ever.

My prediction score has nothing to do with my posts about Enzo, wishing that we win almost every match over there has nothing to do with the post you quoted where I make a decent case that our own 21 year old is actually not that far behind defensively-speaking when compared to Rodri. And just to be clear, even if I were making millions out of betting on sports results, it doesn't make any difference.

After all, Enzo getting dribbled past twice per match on average, as a new player that is doing 99% of all midfield work and that is all over the pitch, isn't that significant, Rodri is getting dribbled past almost once per match and he's far more experienced and is playing for the best manager and for the best drilled squad in the league, this difference from 2 to 0.8 is nothing all things considered, Enzo isn't at all close to being a defensive liability.

And I'm 100% convinced that Enzo is already playing his position from the moment he came here, it's the same position he played in Benfica and for Argentina, so any normal manager would let him grow and let him really adapt to the country and to the league.

Bring Enzo a player that can play football and he'll shine, Enzo is made for the modern game. You have once again attacked the person, and not what the person is saying, grow up already.

Edited June 7, 20233 yr by Gol15

9 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo is more than capable of playing his own game without worrying about anything, without having a passive player behind him, that much I'm sure about and I'm 100% certain that he'll succeed anywhere without such a player to babysit him. That's how much I rate him and for a good reason too, he's only 21, has just come to the league and is automatically a key player and one of the best January signings ever.

My prediction score has nothing to do with my posts about Enzo, wishing that we win almost every match over there has nothing to do with the post you quoted where I make a decent case that our own 21 year old is actually not that far behind defensively-speaking when compared to Rodri. And just to be clear, even if I were making millions out of betting on sports results, it doesn't make any difference.

After all, Enzo getting dribbled past twice per match on average, as a new player that is doing 99% of all midfield work and that is all over the pitch, isn't that significant, Rodri is getting dribbled past almost once per match and he's far more experienced and is playing for the best manager and for the best drilled squad in the league, this difference from 2 to 0.8 is nothing all things considered, Enzo isn't at all close to being a defensive liability.

And I'm 100% convinced that Enzo is already playing his position from the moment he came here, it's the same position he played in Benfica and for Argentina, so any normal manager would let him grow and let him really adapt to the country and to the league.

Bring Enzo a player that can play football and he'll shine, Enzo is made for the modern game. You have once again attacked the person, and not what the person is saying, grow up already.

I am very confused with your assessment.

Let's say you pair Enzo with a player who cannot defend (transition especially) then Enzo has to sit close to him, he simply cannot roam and try to affect play otherwise the whole defense collapse. It is completely different story if his partner is a defensive juggernaut. It is that simple. And if you ask Enzo to just sit then once again you limit his impact on the game. 

I just don’t get it. I thought you want Enzo to be THE guy, why turn him into a Rodri.

 

 

Edited June 8, 20233 yr by Bob stark

12 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo is more than capable of playing his own game without worrying about anything, without having a passive player behind him, that much I'm sure about and I'm 100% certain that he'll succeed anywhere without such a player to babysit him. That's how much I rate him and for a good reason too, he's only 21, has just come to the league and is automatically a key player and one of the best January signings ever.

My prediction score has nothing to do with my posts about Enzo, wishing that we win almost every match over there has nothing to do with the post you quoted where I make a decent case that our own 21 year old is actually not that far behind defensively-speaking when compared to Rodri. And just to be clear, even if I were making millions out of betting on sports results, it doesn't make any difference.

After all, Enzo getting dribbled past twice per match on average, as a new player that is doing 99% of all midfield work and that is all over the pitch, isn't that significant, Rodri is getting dribbled past almost once per match and he's far more experienced and is playing for the best manager and for the best drilled squad in the league, this difference from 2 to 0.8 is nothing all things considered, Enzo isn't at all close to being a defensive liability.

And I'm 100% convinced that Enzo is already playing his position from the moment he came here, it's the same position he played in Benfica and for Argentina, so any normal manager would let him grow and let him really adapt to the country and to the league.

Bring Enzo a player that can play football and he'll shine, Enzo is made for the modern game. You have once again attacked the person, and not what the person is saying, grow up already.

Why do you want Enzo to be our Rodri when he should be our KDB? Why would we want to limit his game by making him just sit in front of a defence?

How can literally everyone see that except you. 

Oh great Gol15 has a new idol....

Just now, dkw said:

Oh great Gol15 has a new idol....

At least this ones a good player, well he will be if he doesn't listen to Gol on how he should play...

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Why do you want Enzo to be our Rodri when he should be our KDB? Why would we want to limit his game by making him just sit in front of a defence?

How can literally everyone see that except you. 

He's more a Pirlo esque player to dictate from deep. Under Potter/Bruno he was averaging 11 successful long passes a game.

A Gattuso/prime Kante would have been perfect for him.

14 minutes ago, Argo said:

He's more a Pirlo esque player to dictate from deep. Under Potter/Bruno he was averaging 11 successful long passes a game.

A Gattuso/prime Kante would have been perfect for him.

He's basically Fabregas for us under Mourinho, except his body actually works too. Fabregas always had Matic to let him concentrate on what he's good at, my point to Gol is i don't know why he'd want to limit his ability to playing the Rodri role when he can clearly offer so much more.

My comment on being our KDB was in reference to importance not so much similarities in play style.

Edited June 8, 20233 yr by RIP Mourinho

12 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I am very confused with your assessment.

Let's say you pair Enzo with a player who cannot defend (transition especially) then Enzo has to sit close to him, he simply cannot roam and try to affect play otherwise the whole defense collapse. It is completely different story if his partner is a defensive juggernaut. It is that simple. And if you ask Enzo to just sit then once again you limit his impact on the game. 

I just don’t get it. I thought you want Enzo to be THE guy, why turn him into a Rodri.

 

 

Do you even watch where Enzo plays? Like did you even watch 1 match?

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Why do you want Enzo to be our Rodri when he should be our KDB? Why would we want to limit his game by making him just sit in front of a defence?

How can literally everyone see that except you. 

He's not even close to KDB's position to begin with, look at where he plays from day 1. You people sound as if you have never seen Enzo play.

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

He's basically Fabregas for us under Mourinho, except his body actually works too. Fabregas always had Matic to let him concentrate on what he's good at, my point to Gol is i don't know why he'd want to limit his ability to playing the Rodri role when he can clearly offer so much more.

My comment on being our KDB was in reference to importance not so much similarities in play style.

Enzo literally came in and was put to play exactly where he wanted to play, at the base of the midfield just like he did for Benfica and for Argentina. Comparisons to KDB are crazy.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

He's more a Pirlo esque player to dictate from deep. Under Potter/Bruno he was averaging 11 successful long passes a game.

A Gattuso/prime Kante would have been perfect for him.

Just sign MacAllister.

3 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Just sign MacAllister.

We could've somewhat recreated the Argentina core if we'd signed McAllister for 35m and scooped Messi up on a free

4 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Just sign MacAllister.

Well he is getting on a bit, but if that's what you want........... fair enough.

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo literally came in and was put to play exactly where he wanted to play, at the base of the midfield just like he did for Benfica and for Argentina. Comparisons to KDB are crazy.

Each of those 3 points - where he wants to play, like he did for Benfica, like he did for Argentina - is incorrect. Comparisons to KDB are no more crazy than the above. 

Best comparison for him though would be Xavi. 

 

6 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Do you even watch where Enzo plays? Like did you even watch 1 match?

Fernandez has never played as a lone DM which is seemingly what you are arguing, At River Plate, he had Zuculini, for Argentina he had De Paul and at Benfica he had Florentino Luis,  meaning he has always played with a more defensive central midfielder. 

Given the above, it's a bit harsh of you to accuse someone else of not watching Fernandez. 

Chelsea is the first time he has played the most defensive midfielder, and people rightly point out it is a waste of his attacking talents and over-exposes his defensive shortcomings. It is not about him needing a player to "babysit" him, it's about giving him a platform to be something more.

On 08/06/2023 at 05:00, Gol15 said:

After all, Enzo getting dribbled past twice per match on average, as a new player that is doing 99% of all midfield work and that is all over the pitch, isn't that significant, Rodri is getting dribbled past almost once per match and he's far more experienced and is playing for the best manager and for the best drilled squad in the league, this difference from 2 to 0.8 is nothing all things considered, Enzo isn't at all close to being a defensive liability.

Your first point is great, but your reasoning to try and support it is wrong. I have no idea where those numbers come from but they suggest that Fernandez gets dribbled past more than twice as much as Rodri on average per game. Over the course of a season, that means that Fernandez gets dribbled past 96 times compared to Rodri's 30 times which is obviously a very significant difference. But put in context, given that Rodri plays for a far more dominant team that is less likely to be counter-attacked, as opposed to Enzo who was often sole defender while we pushed forward in search of a goal, you can see how dribbled past percentages are not that helpful a stat.

9 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Do you even watch where Enzo plays? Like did you even watch 1 match?

He's not even close to KDB's position to begin with, look at where he plays from day 1. You people sound as if you have never seen Enzo play.

Clearly I have not 

In don't want to turn this thread into enzo thread so let's talk more about general football. 

Let's say we play a double pivot. CM1 + CM2. 

If cm1 want to roam around and move everywhere, CM2 need to cover for him. This is kinda basic football. 

So when you try to pick a player to be that CM2, you probably don't want him to be a lampard. You probably want a jorgi (a more athletic version of jorgi will be better). It kinda make me wonder whether @Gol15has watched jorgi played. 😁😁

 

 

Edited June 9, 20233 yr by Bob stark

14 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo literally came in and was put to play exactly where he wanted to play, at the base of the midfield just like he did for Benfica and for Argentina. Comparisons to KDB are crazy.

 

14 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Do you even watch where Enzo plays? Like did you even watch 1 match?

He's not even close to KDB's position to begin with, look at where he plays from day 1. You people sound as if you have never seen Enzo play.

I'll just highlight the bits you conveniently missed out:

He's basically Fabregas for us under Mourinho, except his body actually works too. Fabregas always had Matic to let him concentrate on what he's good at, my point to Gol is i don't know why he'd want to limit his ability to playing the Rodri role when he can clearly offer so much more.

My comment on being our KDB was in reference to importance not so much similarities in play style.

You claim to be Enzo's number one fan but have absolutely no idea how he's played in the past and seem completely oblivious to the deficiencies he's shown in the last 4 months at Chelsea. Try harder.