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So it's Pochettino...and now officially gone!

loz
in General Chelsea FC

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1 hour ago, Dean said:

Sorry my post was a bit facetious. I do see the quality of Enzo, but can you build the case with fewer conditions attached? Eg just a new striker plus the players we already have? I have a bit of an aversion to our “let’s just get” culture, which btw I don’t think you are an exponent of based on other positions you’ve taken. 

No worries. 

A number 9 he can target and a midfield that isn't reliant on him shielding the defence (by signing a DM).

The former gives him somewhere to send his passes and the latter gives him the freedom to move around the pitch.

Hazard as an example was at his most dangerous when he had total freedom to do what he wanted. Unlike Hazard though, he isn't the one who scores the goals so we do at least need a target man. 

Fabregas with no Costa...

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2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

No worries. 

A number 9 he can target and a midfield that isn't reliant on him shielding the defence (by signing a DM).

The former gives him somewhere to send his passes and the latter gives him the freedom to move around the pitch.

Hazard as an example was at his most dangerous when he had total freedom to do what he wanted. Unlike Hazard though, he isn't the one who scores the goals so we do at least need a target man. 

Fabregas with no Costa...

Enzo doesn't need a midfielder in order to move around the pitch, he's already a complete midfielder by his own right. Argentina didn't have anyone babysitting him at all, he needs players around him to win space and be open for a progressive pass, that in itself isn't a big ask. MacAllister would be a great signing for us, specially now that Kante's reign is over.

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Enzo doesn't need a midfielder in order to move around the pitch, he's already a complete midfielder by his own right. Argentina didn't have anyone babysitting him at all, he needs players around him to win space and be open for a progressive pass, that in itself isn't a big ask. MacAllister would be a great signing for us, specially now that Kante's reign is over.

He was the most dribbled past player at the World Cup though. 

Paredes was the only one babysitting Enzo, but even then Argentina were a well functioning unit with MacAllister, DePaul, Di Maria and Alvarez being absolute workhorses to accommodate Enzo and Messi. 

    36 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

    He was the most dribbled past player at the World Cup though. 

    Paredes was the only one babysitting Enzo, but even then Argentina were a well functioning unit with MacAllister, DePaul, Di Maria and Alvarez being absolute workhorses to accommodate Enzo and Messi. 

    That means very little when you consider just how much ground he covers, I mean he also technically scored an own goal at the World Cup too and it still doesn't take away just how reliable he was, you can probably see that his position has the most dribbled past players in general. And then consider that the backline was all about the Spurs bottler Romero and an old Otamendi, I think he showed his worth.

    Enzo has made the most progressive passes for us this season and he's a January signing, he's top 3 when it comes to touches and actually 2nd behind T.Silva when it comes down to the amount of times he carried the ball. Only 3 players are ahead when it comes to shot-creating actions (Sterling, Havertz, Kovacic). Only 3 players are ahead of him when it comes to the sheer number of tackles made and he's tied with Koulibably for the top 3-4 spot. He's top 2 for passes blocked this season (Gallagher has 1 more than him), top 12 for interceptions and top 7 for tackles+interceptions. January signing.

    It's just the way he plays and where he plays, he's always involved and all over the pitch so naturally he'll have a lot of failed challenges statistically but he really is a complete player.

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    In comparison to Rodri (the best midfielder in the league in that position), Enzo lost double the amount of challenges but at the same time he's involved in so much more to begin with. So once you have some real structure in place you can expect his sheer numbers to diminish while his percentages to go up.

    Instead of wishing to have another Rodri we should be looking to get a player similar to the ones that Rodri plays with, players that can open up defense and that can put ton of pressure to the opposition, then you will see the best of Enzo. Enzo doesn't need a player behind him, he's always looking to pass forward and quite honestly, we struggle to score goals and create goals most of all.

    This is all of course if you want to consider playing the modern game. If you want to go back 15 years in time, get a passive player and hope that Enzo can create something out of nothing with the minimal amount of players actually doing off the ball movement in the final third.

    Just take a second to consider that we're talking about a 21 year old that just came to the PL and that automatically played 10+ matches in the starting lineup regardless if it was the PL or knockout stages of the CL. He's by all means a very new addition.

     

    Edited by Gol15

    1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

    He was the most dribbled past player at the World Cup though. 

    Paredes was the only one babysitting Enzo, but even then Argentina were a well functioning unit with MacAllister, DePaul, Di Maria and Alvarez being absolute workhorses to accommodate Enzo and Messi. 

    He's basically a Cesc Fabregas regen when you think about it.

     

    If we can pair him up with a Kante regen, like Caicedo, that would be an extremely strong double 6

    i hate spuds but you read it here first, i think Ange Postecoglou may taken them higher than either Mourinho or Conte. They are great managers but Ange is a team and club builder.

    20 hours ago, Gol15 said:

    Enzo doesn't need a midfielder in order to move around the pitch, he's already a complete midfielder by his own right. Argentina didn't have anyone babysitting him at all, he needs players around him to win space and be open for a progressive pass, that in itself isn't a big ask. MacAllister would be a great signing for us, specially now that Kante's reign is over.

    Cup competition, we can't watch Enzo get dribbled past for 38 games a season. For someone that rates Enzo so highly its almost like you don't want to see him succeed here with the reluctance to help him out with a DM to allow him to play his own game without worrying about transitions. 

    You getting the lowest score on the predictions thread for the year makes more sense with every post you make. 

    1 hour ago, ozboy said:

    i hate spuds but you read it here first, i think Ange Postecoglou may taken them higher than either Mourinho or Conte. They are great managers but Ange is a team and club builder.

    Not sure.. did you watch his Celtic side in Europe? Seems he only knows one way to play, so I expect to see a lot of exciting high scoring games. I agree he is a team builder but Levy will get in his way 

    Another problem he will have is Kane might be leaving, Son is aging, he has a pair of 36yr old GKs, & he needs a pair of CBs. Good luck getting that shopping list past Levy.  

    4 hours ago, ozboy said:

    i hate spuds but you read it here first, i think Ange Postecoglou may taken them higher than either Mourinho or Conte. They are great managers but Ange is a team and club builder.

    I'm sure ozboy that you will join me in whole-heartedly hoping that Postecoglu, (now is the right time I feel to begin calling him "Big Angela") nothing but heartbreak and failure as he seeks to take Spursyness to new levels. Will Dr Daniel Evil be Big Angela's nemesis? Hopefully his reign begins with Kane handing in a transfer request. Don't forget, as the song goes, We Hate Tottenham.

    I'm just as sure you'll also join with me in wishing Ben Stokes and his colleagues every success in next week's upcoming Ashes series.

    59 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

    If we missed out on Top 4 next season, I think Pochettino should be sacked

    Good old positive thinking. It, and love, make the world go round.

    1 hour ago, cfcforeverfan said:

    If we missed out on Top 4 next season, I think Pochettino should be sacked

    I take it this would apply to any manager we would have hired, or just Pochettino?

    3 minutes ago, Nick05 said:

    He's completely out of his depth, isn't he ?

    It's a massive game for Pochettino this Sunday. If he doesn't win this one I can see a lot of the fans turning on him. A lot of them, particularly @Munkworth, wanted Emma Hayes to get the job in the first place.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/soccer-aid-2023-line-up-time-when-b2351491.html

    Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

    So long as Gallagher doesn't start Sunday think Pochettino will earn my respect. 

    Looks like we are selling Gallagher to finance the Neymar deal.

    1 hour ago, just said:

    It's a massive game for Pochettino this Sunday. If he doesn't win this one I can see a lot of the fans turning on him. A lot of them, particularly @Munkworth, wanted Emma Hayes to get the job in the first place.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/soccer-aid-2023-line-up-time-when-b2351491.html

    Crespo is in the side. That's a good start for me. 

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