7 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Mourinho, February 2014

Maresca, December 2024

5 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

That was my initial reaction as well, but I gave him a pass because he did say "prime" Mourinho ... which I took to mean the 2003-2006 version of the man, not the version that came back for the second stint,

If we even want to ignore Jose's trophy laden first time as our coach, his second stint wasn't too shabby. When he returned to Chelsea the second time we finished 3rd, just 4 points off top place and reached the CL semi finals in his first season back. And I actually thought we could have won it , José downplaying our chances was partly to blame I reckon.

In his second season we won the PL title ( with 3 games to go) and the League Cup...

It all fell apart in the 3rd season, but we're no where near those first 2 seasons of his 2nd reign.

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by The Rising Sun
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Not sure why we changed the system so drastically... probably because he saw this being the philosophy of football he wants. At some point he needed to do so if he was to do what he probably promised to do with the squad.

I think if we scored more with this more balanced style no one would care about the slowness of it that much. Best sides are always very balanced but this is usually due to massive experience with players and with the coach. We have neither.

Time will tell if this style turns Into goals and points and it allows Enzo to continue.

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

To be honest I don’t pay any attention to whatever Maresca has to say.

He clearly talks a lot of sh*t and I don’t really have time for it.

Really wish the players did the same. We might score more goals if they did.

Gusto. A RB who can’t cross shoot or score playing as an inverted lb basically an attacking midfielder should tell you everything you need to know about this fraud.

See? The plan to beat the mighty Legia started on Sunday before Brentford and it’s worked like a charm.

17 minutes ago, RMH said:

See? The plan to beat the mighty Legia started on Sunday before Brentford and it’s worked like a charm.

I still want him to f**k off.

I never even said that of the FSW or Scolari.

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by Valerie

Valerie is swearing now. This is getting serious.

Regardless of whether we win or lose, it’s proper boring football. We won’t beat any decent team playing like this.

54 minutes ago, CaitlinCFC said:

Valerie is swearing now. This is getting serious.

When Val drops the F-bomb on a manager, it can signal the end of their reign! Southgate will be in next month!

9 hours ago, evissy said:

Not sure why we changed the system so drastically... probably because he saw this being the philosophy of football he wants. At some point he needed to do so if he was to do what he probably promised to do with the squad.

I think if we scored more with this more balanced style no one would care about the slowness of it that much. Best sides are always very balanced but this is usually due to massive experience with players and with the coach. We have neither.

Time will tell if this style turns Into goals and points and it allows Enzo to continue.

I do wonder if the Fulham defeat made him decide he’s going to live and die by his philosophy. It was like a basketball match at times in the first half , completely end to end.

I remember after one of our entertaining wins early in the season, he specifically mentioned the team being way off what he wants in terms of “control”

On 09/04/2025 at 12:01, axman2526 said:

No way people who don't care about football like Wyss, Feliciano, Walter's get on board with this deal if they don't have a plan to make money regardless of sporting success.

Regardless of what we do on the pitch they, and the Clearlake shareholders, will get their returns.

Again. Not true.

https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1910210803677962637

Edited April 10, 20251 yr by Sconnie Blue

18 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Again. Not true.

https://x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1910210803677962637

That's why I said "will get" and not "have gotten already" sconnie.

17 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

That's why I said "will get" and not "have gotten already" sconnie.

We are projecting loses at a rate of £550m a season as things stand. Not sure what future returns you are speaking of.

Edited April 11, 20251 yr by Sconnie Blue

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We are projecting loses at a rate of £550m a season as things stand. Not sure what future returns you are speaking of.

Hey I could be wrong and it blows up in the owners faces. They all take a loss, Clearlake have to make up for it to their shareholders with their many other projects, and the rest of them lose their shirts on it. Maybe they have to sell the club because the debt becomes too large.

I still believe that, between all these millionaires and billionaires, they had a plan, and still do, to make all the shareholders happy in the end, whatever the timeline is I don't know, maybe the 10 years that has been thrown around before.

I dont expect it will happen quickly.

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We are projecting loses at a rate of £550m a season as things stand. Not sure what future returns you are speaking of.

Losses don't actually matter though. What matters is the final sale value of the asset. They are expecting, with no effort of their own, that Chelsea will be worth £10bn+ within ten years time. Anything they get on top of that is a bonus. It doesn't matter if they lose £550m a season for 10 years, if the club is sold for £15bn - they'd still walk away with a ~£5bn profit. The best thing is that any revenue generated by the club (ie money from the fans) just subsidises the strategy.

The classic example of blitzscaling is Uber, who didn't post a single profit until last financial year, yet are one of the most valuable firms in existence. The whole point is to spend money loosely until regulation catches up.

Edited April 11, 20251 yr by SydneyChelsea

Still hasn’t beaten anyone decent. Fake wins over conference league teams doesn’t make any difference

Again I think the easiest situation for each party (fans and owners and everyone in between) is we compete on the highest level of the sport. We are not miles off it nor are we there yet. It will take time.

The owners clearly have calculated this risk of cleaning house, buying young talent and accepted it will take time to be on top tier again. There is enough footballing strategy knowledge inside the club to know this.

They have been most impressed by Brighton who with lot less resources have taken their place in the mid-to-high bracket in the table by being smart and having a continuous plan on football, buying and selling players and identity. You can only watch MU and see what a retarded/no-plan does to a club.

Again I reiterate this puts massive pressure on our SD's and the coach to find and nurture players to reach their peak. And once more I add that I don't know whether it will work or not but I see a plan and I am willing to accept losses as long as the project moves on and progresses. To me it has. 20 game bad period in a season doesn't define that to me. Anyone can beat anyone in this competitive league.

When our core are experienced enough, we are beating the sides we can't beat now and there is continuation of coaching we are seeing better results. I think the possibility of winning Conf League is great for this young team. If we do it the lads have taken another step forward no matter what the level of the opponent is.

Hate to point it out as some view last nights result against a minnow club as progress... it is but we'd do well to remember the time when we were in the Cup winners cup before that too with some fans on here in the cups other iterations, so before someone prefaces it with we're not romans club anymore, we used to smash teams like the ones we did last night. Brugge et all have all been smashed and dumped out of european cup competitions by Chelsea. We also used to do this with the best team we could pick.

It wasnt part of a super plan, but the plan was to get as far as we could in a cup competition.

We are also favourites to win this whatever cup.... West Ham won this one under David Moyes so anything but a final appearance and win is unacceptable.

Well done all for last night.

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

Again I think the easiest situation for each party (fans and owners and everyone in between) is we compete on the highest level of the sport. We are not miles off it nor are we there yet. It will take time.

The owners clearly have calculated this risk of cleaning house, buying young talent and accepted it will take time to be on top tier again. There is enough footballing strategy knowledge inside the club to know this.

They have been most impressed by Brighton who with lot less resources have taken their place in the mid-to-high bracket in the table by being smart and having a continuous plan on football, buying and selling players and identity. You can only watch MU and see what a retarded/no-plan does to a club.

Again I reiterate this puts massive pressure on our SD's and the coach to find and nurture players to reach their peak. And once more I add that I don't know whether it will work or not but I see a plan and I am willing to accept losses as long as the project moves on and progresses. To me it has. 20 game bad period in a season doesn't define that to me. Anyone can beat anyone in this competitive league.

When our core are experienced enough, we are beating the sides we can't beat now and there is continuation of coaching we are seeing better results. I think the possibility of winning Conf League is great for this young team. If we do it the lads have taken another step forward no matter what the level of the opponent is.

Brighton shouldn't even be in the same conversation as Chelsea. 6th is their best ever finish in the PL, and other than that the best they have managed is 9th.

We should be aiming to compete sportingly and financially with Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester City, Bayern Munich ... the creme de la creme ... not effing Brighton !!!

Here is us for comparison :

19 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Brighton shouldn't even be in the same conversation as Chelsea. 6th is their best ever finish in the PL, and other than that the best they have managed is 9th.

We should be aiming to compete sportingly and financially with Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester City, Bayern Munich ... the creme de la creme ... not effing Brighton !!!

Here is us for comparison :

I don't want to explain this again but as Liam Twomey put it "Chelsea is like Brighton on steroids"...to me that means we are buying the creme de la creme talent, Brighton more hidden talent. Naturally we aim to win the prem and the cups and compete with the best clubs, Brighton being around where they should be 6-12th.

Our squad at the moment is much less experienced than Brighton so there is no comparison at the moment on that front.

2 hours ago, bluetrooper said:

Hate to point it out as some view last nights result against a minnow club as progress... it is but we'd do well to remember the time when we were in the Cup winners cup before that too with some fans on here in the cups other iterations, so before someone prefaces it with we're not romans club anymore, we used to smash teams like the ones we did last night. Brugge et all have all been smashed and dumped out of european cup competitions by Chelsea. We also used to do this with the best team we could pick.

It wasnt part of a super plan, but the plan was to get as far as we could in a cup competition.

We are also favourites to win this whatever cup.... West Ham won this one under David Moyes so anything but a final appearance and win is unacceptable.

Well done all for last night.

I remember us being cup winners. I remember us being CL regulars. I remember us having an experienced core and squad. I remember us being winners. I remember us having Roman as the owner.

We don't have Roman as the owner. We have BlueCo. BlueCo does things differently. It means we have to adjust as fans/supporters to a new world.

We were used to Roman buying us out of trouble. There is none of that anymore. The way we are building the squad and identity is something that is more fitting to this time period. Newcastle is building their own squad with experience but they don't have the history we had for the last 20 years. We are building with young players aiming to be in the mix in a couple of years. I am hopeful these super talented young lads will fill the boots they are protected to be in.

The times from 2003-2009 will never come back. The game is regulated out of that mould.

Win Conference League first. Then win a major club like Liverpool, Arsenal or City next season. Step by step.

22 minutes ago, evissy said:

I remember us being cup winners. I remember us being CL regulars. I remember us having an experienced core and squad. I remember us being winners. I remember us having Roman as the owner.

We don't have Roman as the owner. We have BlueCo. BlueCo does things differently. It means we have to adjust as fans/supporters to a new world.

We were used to Roman buying us out of trouble. There is none of that anymore. The way we are building the squad and identity is something that is more fitting to this time period. Newcastle is building their own squad with experience but they don't have the history we had for the last 20 years. We are building with young players aiming to be in the mix in a couple of years. I am hopeful these super talented young lads will fill the boots they are protected to be in.

The times from 2003-2009 will never come back. The game is regulated out of that mould.

Win Conference League first. Then win a major club like Liverpool, Arsenal or City next season. Step by step.

We will not be "in the mix in a couple of years time" unless we get out of mindset / cycle of trying to copy others way of football. The slow and stagnant, citeh lite, unprogressive and predictable football does not suit the players we have. It does not suit the profile of players we have confirmed as coming in, and it doesn't suit the profile of players we are reported to be looking at. It is uninspired, boring and easy to play against.

This has nothing to do with winning games, or progress in the trophy cabinet - and everything to do with lack of progress on a viable ling term system and style.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

I don't want to explain this again but as Liam Twomey put it "Chelsea is like Brighton on steroids"...to me that means we are buying the creme de la creme talent, Brighton more hidden talent. Naturally we aim to win the prem and the cups and compete with the best clubs, Brighton being around where they should be 6-12th.

Our squad at the moment is much less experienced than Brighton so there is no comparison at the moment on that front.

I've noticed you always defend the manager no matter what, there's got to be some point where you can admit that a manager isn't good enough. This type of thinking is a fallacy in its own right, sometimes, the manager just isn't good enough.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

I remember us being cup winners. I remember us being CL regulars. I remember us having an experienced core and squad. I remember us being winners. I remember us having Roman as the owner.

We don't have Roman as the owner. We have BlueCo. BlueCo does things differently. It means we have to adjust as fans/supporters to a new world.

We were used to Roman buying us out of trouble. There is none of that anymore. The way we are building the squad and identity is something that is more fitting to this time period. Newcastle is building their own squad with experience but they don't have the history we had for the last 20 years. We are building with young players aiming to be in the mix in a couple of years. I am hopeful these super talented young lads will fill the boots they are protected to be in.

The times from 2003-2009 will never come back. The game is regulated out of that mould.

Win Conference League first. Then win a major club like Liverpool, Arsenal or City next season. Step by step.

Sorry youve brought Roman into this again, I was referring to the time before Roman... you may have missed it but we were in European football competition and beating teams all over europe like the side we played last night. I fondly remember listening to the radio commentarys back then, pre Roman. My point was we put away sides like that routinely playing our best sides.

FYI: Any club playing in a cup competition aims to win it, step by step for me is who we face in the next round should we progress.... anyhow you do you and support and see things how you like but can you stop dropping Roman in to all your arguments about a football club being run in exactly the same manner as it has been at various stages in its life. football is cyclical, some of us have seen this before. Cheers.

https://x.com/jacobsben/status/1910664125333766606?s=46

I think 2 Jacksons might be enough to send me insane