1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Check out his middle name. Bound to be a success. 

I don’t get it to be honest. Unless you know Spanish slang where “palmar” would mean to lose… (Renato palma would mean in slang Renato looses).

20 minutes ago, RMH said:

I don’t get it to be honest. Unless you know Spanish slang where “palmar” would mean to lose… (Renato palma would mean in slang Renato looses).

Probably because it's spelt similar to Palmer? 

20 minutes ago, Brigadeiro Mk II said:

Probably because it's spelt similar to Palmer? 

Ok, ffs, doh!

 

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Hmm, what like Martinelli, Gabriel, Tomiyasu, Jesus, Ederson, Alvarez and that's not including the number of players with dual nationality due to their African heritage.

Well, it goes deeper than that then. Spanish counterparts Pep & Arteta cut from the same cloth, majority of the squad the same colour palette. Pep’s genius and media love-in made a mockery of Yaya Toure’s experience and forced belated apology; proof always been in the pudding though. 

It’s all good though, with those being the two best teams in the league, Chels can take advantage of that in the market.

https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/news/renato-veiga-claims-hes-a-huge-fan-of-former-chelsea-player-who-left-stamford-bridge-last-year/

Absolutely love his quote about Kante.

When asked if he watched any Chelsea stars growing up, Veiga told the club’s YouTube channel: “Kante.

 

“70% of the world is covered by water and the rest is by Kante.

“So yeah, amazing player.

“Because I play in his position as well a lot of times, I love watching him.”

On 13/07/2024 at 07:11, Term_X said:

Well, it goes deeper than that then. Spanish counterparts Pep & Arteta cut from the same cloth, majority of the squad the same colour palette. Pep’s genius and media love-in made a mockery of Yaya Toure’s experience and forced belated apology; proof always been in the pudding though. 

It’s all good though, with those being the two best teams in the league, Chels can take advantage of that in the market.

I don't get it, are you trying to say that Guardiola and Arteta are racists?

2 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

I don't get it, are you trying to say that Guardiola and Arteta are racists?

The racist allegations about them and especially Guardiola over the years are ridiculous and based on nothing tangible.

8 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The racist allegations about them and especially Guardiola over the years are ridiculous and based on nothing tangible.

Perhaps discrimination of another kind. Certain elements in Spanish football do have a history of racism (often overlooked by the press whilst gorging themselves on similar incidents in English football grounds), where the treatment of Vini Jr is only a recent example. Many of us will remember that Aragones (spelling?) Guy who was quite open about it on occasions. Hopefully there isn't a discrimination of another kind taking place where he's Spanish so must have elements of racism in his make up. Probably not but it often too easy to stereotype.

1 hour ago, WhiteWall said:

Perhaps discrimination of another kind. Certain elements in Spanish football do have a history of racism (often overlooked by the press whilst gorging themselves on similar incidents in English football grounds), where the treatment of Vini Jr is only a recent example. Many of us will remember that Aragones (spelling?) Guy who was quite open about it on occasions. Hopefully there isn't a discrimination of another kind taking place where he's Spanish so must have elements of racism in his make up. Probably not but it often too easy to stereotype.

Don't we know it at Chelsea? 

Know nothing about this guy but got a good feeling about him. His signing is giving me azpi vibes. Some well needed height as well

4 hours ago, rtwelch said:

Know nothing about this guy but got a good feeling about him. His signing is giving me azpi vibes. Some well needed height as well

Most likely getting sent out on loan. Him staying is dependent on shifting one of Cucurella/Chilwell away, which isn’t likely. 

15 hours ago, ducavis said:

Most likely getting sent out on loan. Him staying is dependent on shifting one of Cucurella/Chilwell away, which isn’t likely. 

Veiga, Kellyman, Guiu, I don't expect any of these players to get much game time. Just more to add to the list like Ugochukwu, Santos, Casadei, Moreira, Angelo, Fofana and Washington.

I think Veiga will get games, we wanted Calafiori for this role who would have come into the first team and went with Veiga instead. We'd identified this as a position to strengthen. 

Guiu is dependant on if anyone else comes in. Sign another striker and he's out on loan, i can't see Broja staying around and we can't do another seaosn with just Jackson.

Kellyman will get minimum minutes if he even stays imo. 

9 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

Veiga, Kellyman, Guiu, I don't expect any of these players to get much game time. Just more to add to the list like Ugochukwu, Santos, Casadei, Moreira, Angelo, Fofana and Washington.

This has always been the plan. 

 

42 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

This has always been the plan. 

 

It's the plan with every player. The sporting side is an incidental overlay.

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

It's the plan with every player. The sporting side is an incidental overlay.

Every team does this. Cheap, young player. Some will make it, some won't doesn't matter. 

The hype around some of this player is the 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

 

3 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Every team does this. Cheap, young player. Some will make it, some won't doesn't matter. 

The hype around some of this player is the 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

 

They just don't do it with every single purchase they make. No major club has a sole model of farming kids for profit with little or any reference to their sporting ambitions.

People on here trying to convince themselves that Veiga from Basel is a smarter move than Calafiori, because it fits a self imposed financial model they have had to introduce due to their continued incompetence. The rationale behind Arsenal's purchase of Calafiori (if it happens) is completely different than us. They are acting in a manner to improve the value of their squad whilst maintaining their elite position. We are operating a feeder system for (hopeful) profit backed by PR rubbish and a hope that we have enough success on the pitch to drive up the value of the kids for sale. At Chelsea everything is for sale at the right price at any time. The phrase untouchable is bait for this lot.

4 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

They just don't do it with every single purchase they make. No major club has a sole model of farming kids for profit with little or any reference to their sporting ambitions.

People on here trying to convince themselves that Veiga from Basel is a smarter move than Calafiori, because it fits a self imposed financial model they have had to introduce due to their continued incompetence. The rationale behind Arsenal's purchase of Calafiori (if it happens) is completely different than us. They are acting in a manner to improve the value of their squad whilst maintaining their elite position. We are operating a feeder system for (hopeful) profit backed by PR rubbish and a hope that we have enough success on the pitch to drive up the value of the kids for sale. At Chelsea everything is for sale at the right price at any time. The phrase untouchable is bait for this lot.

Agree totally and I'm getting more and more disillusioned with all of this . We all know what is required and it isn't more kids ,they need to do

something for the team not the profit and loss potential

 

7 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

They just don't do it with every single purchase they make. No major club has a sole model of farming kids for profit with little or any reference to their sporting ambitions.

People on here trying to convince themselves that Veiga from Basel is a smarter move than Calafiori, because it fits a self imposed financial model they have had to introduce due to their continued incompetence. The rationale behind Arsenal's purchase of Calafiori (if it happens) is completely different than us. They are acting in a manner to improve the value of their squad whilst maintaining their elite position. We are operating a feeder system for (hopeful) profit backed by PR rubbish and a hope that we have enough success on the pitch to drive up the value of the kids for sale. At Chelsea everything is for sale at the right price at any time. The phrase untouchable is bait for this lot.

Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 

Edited July 21, 20241 yr by Remodez

4 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 

Boehly said in one conference that the goal of Chelsea is to keep carrying cost low. 

It is hard to improve your fist team when you are not willing to pay  big salary. 

Edited July 21, 20241 yr by Bob stark

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

Boehly said in one conference that the goal of Chelsea is to keep carrying cost low. 

It is hard to improve your fist team when you are not willing to pay  big salary. 

I think it makes it harder to keep them but we are still a big club so can attract good players before they move on to Madrid, etc for better wages.  

18 minutes ago, Remodez said:

I think it makes it harder to keep them but we are still a big club so can attract good players before they move on to Madrid, etc for better wages.  

It depend on the player, it will be difficult  to sign an established PL player. 

Not sure we can compete with arse, city or united on wages. 

 

Edited July 21, 20241 yr by Bob stark

What would people rather....

Buying so called finished articles, that have a big cost, but equally big risk of failure (The likes of morata, lukaku, werner, Koulibaly etc)

or Buying players with a big upside, huge potential and lower risk (the likes of this guy, gusto, azpi, palmer etc)

We won't get them all right - but for me, we have tried the route of buying established names - and it has been hit and miss - but more miss.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Boehly said in one conference that the goal of Chelsea is to keep carrying cost low. 

It is hard to improve your fist team when you are not willing to pay  big salary. 

Did he say low cost or self-sustainable business? Because I’ve read the latter.

2 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

What would people rather....

Buying so called finished articles, that have a big cost, but equally big risk of failure (The likes of morata, lukaku, werner, Koulibaly etc)

or Buying players with a big upside, huge potential and lower risk (the likes of this guy, gusto, azpi, palmer etc)

We won't get them all right - but for me, we have tried the route of buying established names - and it has been hit and miss - but more miss.

 

 

 

Let's just use our cl winning team

Established 

Timo, kai, Chilwell, Kante, jorgi, rudi, silva

Cobham

Mount, james

Non established 

Mendy, azpi