41 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Let's just use our cl winning team

Established 

Timo, kai, Chilwell, Kante, jorgi, rudi, silva

Cobham

Mount, james

Non established 

Mendy, azpi

 

Yep - they had their moment.

But As much as I love Timo, he has proven consistently to not be a top forward.

I think we got rid of Kai too soon

Chilly and Kante were/are injury prone

Jorgi was good at the limited game he played - but not dynamic enough

 

53 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

Let's just use our cl winning team

Established 

Timo, kai, Chilwell, Kante, jorgi, rudi, silva

Cobham

Mount, james

Non established 

Mendy, azpi

 

Sorry, but have you just said that Azpi, our own Dave, was not a PL established player?!

5 hours ago, Remodez said:

Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 

Yes. It's a great shame that there is no ambition any longer for the club to have a George, Richards , Acheampong, Rak Sakhi, etc break through. The issueof course will be where are the next batch coming from.

15 hours ago, Remodez said:

Honestly with the quality of players that have come from our academy over the recent years I don't really see the need to be buying this many other youth players, we can sell many of our academy players for good profit without having to sacrifice improving our first team. 

Not to be really cynical, but any moderately-flashy English-born attacking talent is going to sell for far more profit than even a hyped-up South American teenager. If Estevao Willian was Steven Williams he'd set a British record transfer fee.  

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Not to be really cynical, but any moderately-flashy English-born attacking talent is going to sell for far more profit than even a hyped-up South American teenager. If Estevao Willian was Steven Williams he'd set a British record transfer fee.  

Sorry, how do you make this out. How much are we paying for that Anselmino kid. Let's see what we get for Humphreys and compare. Let's also forget about the kids that have been at the club since 8 years of age that are now being released because there needs to be room for a path for these kids that we are paying money for with no evidence that their any better. Have you compared Deivid Washington to Ronnie Stutter.

The only reason our academy players are selling for greater profit is because they have made their way through the academy set up at their parents' expense.

On 21/07/2024 at 23:49, RMH said:

Sorry, but have you just said that Azpi, our own Dave, was not a PL established player?!

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You need to read the discussion before chiming in. The discussion was about SIGNING established player.

Was Azpi established player before he came to Chelsea? 

 

 

Edited July 23, 20241 yr by Bob stark

Veiga got his first minutes late against Club America coming on for Reece and looked like someone to maybe keep an eye on.

10 minutes ago, Scott said:

Veiga got his first minutes late against Club America coming on for Reece and looked like someone to maybe keep an eye on.

He also played against Celtic. Came on at 4-0 and looked good in his limited minutes. He's a bloody big lad:

 

He looked good yesterday. Started on the left then took the right side after gusto had to come off.

Called up for the national team. 

Just took a couple matches in Chelsea blue. 

I really hope he develops into one of our better players, I like what I see so far. Plus that he’s a proper geezer helps too.

 

Thought he was horrible throughout most of the match to be honest. Our midfield was getting dominated, Veiga didn't know where he needed to be at times, he doesn't look like a comfortable passer of the ball, and Caicedo was doing all of the work.

12 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

Thought he was horrible throughout most of the match to be honest. Our midfield was getting dominated, Veiga didn't know where he needed to be at times, he doesn't look like a comfortable passer of the ball, and Caicedo was doing all of the work.

The changes helped him.  Agree it was a tough match for him, and first half he looked like a player trying to figure it out,  He did grow into the game, and improved along with the rest of the team post 65 mins.  Not terrible for first PL start thrown into midfield away from home - hopefully gains some confidence from the team win.

Anthony Bender gave him a yellow card for this too btw. 
 

 

I thought he was brilliant second half. 

35 minutes ago, Gentian said:

I thought he was brilliant second half. 

If not brilliant, more effective when they started to tire and we managed a semblance of control. Still, a tough gig for him basically playing out of position.

10 minutes ago, dermott said:

If not brilliant, more effective when they started to tire and we managed a semblance of control. Still, a tough gig for him basically playing out of position.

My understanding is that he is a midfielder who can play LB and CB, not the other way around so I am confused as to how this is out of position? 

9 minutes ago, Remodez said:

My understanding is that he is a midfielder who can play LB and CB, not the other way around so I am confused as to how this is out of position? 

Me too

This is how Transfermarkt summarises his career positionally at this point : 

21 year old with his first PL start. I'll put the poor performance at the beginning of the game down to nerves.

Thought he grew into the game and was much better in the second half. There's definitely something in there.

7 minutes ago, yaz said:

21 year old with his first PL start. I'll put the poor performance at the beginning of the game down to nerves.

Thought he grew into the game and was much better in the second half. There's definitely something in there.

Was going to post the same, looked nervous and unsure positionally at first but once he settled I thought he did well.

1 hour ago, Remodez said:

My understanding is that he is a midfielder who can play LB and CB, not the other way around so I am confused as to how this is out of position? 

My understanding was the opposite. Oh well. 

6 hours ago, dkw said:

Was going to post the same, looked nervous and unsure positionally at first but once he settled I thought he did well.

Yeah, thought he had a really nervy first half and could easily have been hooked at H-T. But he did improve and he looks like one of these players who could get a cult following.

He certainly looks better with the ball at his feet than when the opposition are coming at him, where at times he looked all over the place.

Did well last night, and what a fun character he is

Veiga is not the problem, I think he has a bit of Mario Stanic in him if you know what I mean.

So look for a wonder goal at West Ham.😉

 

 

8 hours ago, Scott said:

Veiga is not the problem, I think he has a bit of Mario Stanic in him if you know what I mean.

So look for a wonder goal at West Ham.😉

 

 

Flick, flick, volley.....boom....