Progressive and positive last season.......stuck in a rut, miserable and arrogant this season. The Conte of last season would never have just caved in so easily, he gave up before the season even began.

I don't expect him to be sacked, it'll cost the club about 10m to sack him. I expect they'll wait and see if any other clubs come in for him in the summer, so they can pay his release clause.

24 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Sky said that Conte said to Martin Tyler that “Chelsea are having the season they deserve”, basically meaning that they should have spent more etc. He refused to do the interview and said he can’t be too honest  

Thats a disgraceful statement from Conte. Shocking and shows his mindset. 

We should have sacked him after Bournemouth. He just doesn’t care. 

Imagine making comments like that in any workplace. That is awful behaviour.

I'm sick of this dross, the man clearly wants the sack so give him his wish. Maybe Steve Holland is a bigger loss than we thought. This is all on him in my eyes his negativity has got us all down, don't tell me the Liverpool team is much better than ours but they definitely have a superior coach.

It sounds like he posts on here tbh.

1 minute ago, Zeta said:

I don't expect him to be sacked, it'll cost the club about 10m to sack him. I expect they'll wait and see if any other clubs come in for him in the summer, so they can pay his release clause.

Probably not worth doing it now from that viewpoint, in hindsight it would've been worth doing before the CL ties

Won't post in the match thread as it'll get lost in amongst all the emotion in there. But bloody hell what a depressing weekend! Hopefully that'll be the end for Conte and his negative tactics and we can move on with rebuilding for the future. I personally would let Jody Morris have a go until the end of the season and then start again in the summer with a new manager and a clear vision of where we want to be.

I'm surprised that so many seem to think that replacing Conte will solve the problems. Our current issues go way deeper than the manager. 

1 minute ago, Old Shaggy said:

Won't post in the match thread as it'll get lost in amongst all the emotion in there. But bloody hell what a depressing weekend! Hopefully that'll be the end for Conte and his negative tactics and we can move on with rebuilding for the future. I personally would let Jody Morris have a go until the end of the season and then start again in the summer with a new manager and a clear vision of where we want to be.

Problem is Shaggy, that's what we have just done and we will continue to repeat the same self destructiveness over and over again. Because this club's model is poisonous.

1 minute ago, forbzy said:

I'm surprised that so many seem to think that replacing Conte will solve the problems. Our current issues go way deeper than the manager. 

I agree totally, however we cannot accept somebody purposefully airing dirty laundry in public and goading the club to sack him. I wouldn't sack the guy but i wuld appoint soembody above him to totally undermine his destructiveness

Conte is long gone, atleast hid mind ....

Everyone have opinion who to blame, for me the board start this war and f**** hard in the summer, they destroy Conte intention of creating a team of highest level. From the summer he is not the same person from last season. Sorry but to me it`s obvious who is to blame.

When you have manager, who is not working on even 50% of his capability, that is what is going to happen.

Also this team is very, very bad.

Totenham have a lot better team then us. Their striker is level ahead our. They midfielder is a lot better then ours.

Just look at this hell statistics, in all competition - Fabregas, Kante, DrinkWater, Bakayoko, Barkley, they have total of 7 goals, while only Eriksen for example have 11 .... Dele Ali is with ten.

Thats tell you the whole story.

We have the worst midfielder, and this is 1 of the most important zone in the football. No one in the midfielder is capable of scoring goals, forget about beat someone 1 on 1 and score a goal .....

Sorry, but time will prove me right again. I forsee this in the summer i said what it happen and now you can clearly see i was right with the idiotics transfer the board made.

Also next season we won`t challenge for top tier trophy, that is for sure too.

Most of our players are fairly average.

And how hard is to understand, that if we sack him, we paid him, only time he is not working. If he found new job, we will stop paying him.
So the penalty for sacking won`t be 10m.

 

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1 minute ago, forbzy said:

I'm surprised that so many seem to think that replacing Conte will solve the problems. Our current issues go way deeper than the manager. 

You're right. One of the main problems seems to be the board and the manager constantly being at odds with each other, this won't change under the next manager. We ask the coach to do one thing, but then don't back him to carry out the task. Then the coach is miserable and goes a through a season with the club full of poor performances and the inevitable sacking arrives.

On 28/03/2018 at 07:46, brakeit said:

Xaxaxa, Tucchel, that would be fun. I want to see people here, who was slamming Conte and was crying about the football, what we will do with Tuchel.

Sexy football s*** again. Same that happen with Villas Boas. Wasn`t Frank De Boer have the same philosophy of football ? We see what happen with him. Worst manager in the PL with zero scored goal and fired.

Sampaoli is the same, sexy football all over the place and disgrace result ....

And some people here talk about Klopp, hahhahaha. What he won with Liverpool, since he go to them is the question ? And he work at zero stress, unlike at Chelsea. He get most of the player he wanted and the board is giving him, what he want mostly, unlike like here.

And he won nothing so far.

The only good manager with sexy football idea is Guardiola. But as it`s shows he need ton of money and specific type of players to be successful. And let`s see for how long.

And he will never come to us, cause we don`t give the managers what they want. :D

City give him everything and back him up, that`s why he progress.

Every player he want, they get him. That`s how it`s work.

After the bad first season, there wasnt a word in the media about Guardiola and about to being fired. Not a single one. While with us, the team had 2-3 bad result, and there is ton of speculation about manager is about to get kicked out.

This is big difference.

I said it right there, Tuchel is not good enough and will be fired after less then 1 full year at our club. I said it right there, we won`t find better manager then Conte, and after this fiasco, we will go step down. We can`t get world class players anymore, we won`t get world class manager anymore. That`s the true and the only guilty is the board.

They all need to be changed, started with that lady that knows nothing about football - Marina.

 

 

I've mentioned this in another thread but I'll say it again. Using the likes of AVB and De Boer as examples of why attacking football will fail are two awful examples. Both managers are pretty poor in all honestly

Also, Sampaoli won the Copa America playing exciting, high intensity attacking football with Chile. Klopp won back to back Bundesliga titles playing exciting, high intensity attacking football and beating a superior team in Bayern Munich. At Liverpool the season before Klopp took over they finished 6th, when he eventually took over from Rodgers the following season in October Liverpool were in 10th place and a complete and utter mess, they are now a Champions League outfit and currently sit 3rd, while they haven't won anything yet they've constantly gotten better since Klopp took over

 

I have no idea why you're against someone like Tuchel. I'd like to hear your reason for thinking he's not good enough? 

3 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I agree totally, however we cannot accept somebody purposefully airing dirty laundry in public and goading the club to sack him. I wouldn't sack the guy but i wuld appoint soembody above him to totally undermine his destructiveness

Not a bad idea. Emenalo seemed to fulfil some of that role before he left. He was the buffer between manager and board. Now we have Marina? I would like to see a true technical director of football brought in but cannot see anything bar maybe a caretaker (if Conte is sacked) before the summer

45 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Sky said that Conte said to Martin Tyler that “Chelsea are having the season they deserve”, basically meaning that they should have spent more etc. He refused to do the interview and said he can’t be too honest  

Thats a disgraceful statement from Conte. Shocking and shows his mindset. 

We should have sacked him after Bournemouth. He just doesn’t care. 

Where is this interview from Conte? I can`t find it.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Sparkz said:

I've mentioned this in another thread but I'll say it again. Using the likes of AVB and De Boer as examples of why attacking football will fail are two awful examples. Both managers are pretty poor in all honestly

Also, Sampaoli won the Copa America playing exciting, high intensity attacking football with Chile. Klopp won back to back Bundesliga titles playing exciting, high intensity attacking football and beating a superior team in Bayern Munich. At Liverpool the season before Klopp took over they finished 6th, when he eventually took over from Rodgers the following season in October Liverpool were in 10th place and a complete and utter mess, they are now a Champions League outfit and currently sit 3rd, while they haven't won anything yet they've constantly gotten better since Klopp took over

 

I have no idea why you're against someone like Tuchel. I'd like to hear your reason for thinking he's not good enough? 

Check yours facts right. The season Klopp won the title with Bundesliga is when Dortmund was relying on good defence and was not playing so attacking. Both of their winning season, they scored 80 and then 67 goals, while they recieve only 25 and 22 goals.
The season after that Klopp decided to play attacking football with the likes of Reus and Gotze. Next 2 season Borussia scored 81 goals and 80 but because of the so call sexy football, they recieved 42 and 38 goals.

I hope you can calculate what the score is. From the moment Klopp decide they play this sexy football, Dortmund did not won a title since them.

And so far Klopp won nothing with Liverpool. Conte won the PL.

And you are trying to twist the facts. Klopp done nothing so far, he is not even close to being a competitor in the PL. His best place is what ? 4 ?

Brendon Rodgers atleast was very close to win the title and finish seconds. You can`t say the same for Klopp. And i can make a statement, no matter how many more years hei s at Liverpool, he won`t win the PL.

And he get all the support from the fans and the boards. The board brough him the player he wanted. Big money moves for Salah, big money for Keita, big money for van Dijk, for Chamberlane, big money for Sadio Mane.
They get the players he want. And he was not proven at them.

Conte prove to us by winning the title and get nothing he wanted.

He said that by himself. No one from the board have come and said it otherwise, so it`s like that.

And attacking football can be successful, only if you spend a lot of money. You can see City last season.

And in Chelsea that won`t happen. First we won`t spend so much, and second, the manager needs to choice the players, cause he knows best what he need for that style. That won`t happen in Chelsea.

We are in big trouble now.

No chance we get a top manager, forget about being better than Conte, and no chance at getting world class players, and we need a lot.

Let`s not lying to ourself. This s**** was the same in the third Mou season, just after he won record title with us. Same happen this season. Conte broke so many records like season, and now this.

Isn`t it obvious who the fault is ?

 

 

If it's true that he's said that then his position is untenable. I can't remember us having a manager with so little loyalty, He genuinely is just out for himself.

I'll book the taxi. He needs to be gone.

The PL's nickname might as well be the money league because of all the payments that are given to the top clubs for doing well. Chelsea are far too big of a club to somehow be in some kind of rut because we're bankrolled by billionaire and have a world class  system in our youth, ignoring the fact the PL has so many players they can take from smaller sides with little recompense -- we've had a worse season than this and won the title the season after. Regardless of whether we have the same   players this season or last season, there's no chance we're somehow kind of big trouble. What trouble? We miss out on CL again? f**k sake. I'm obviously pissed off that we lost to Spurs at home (moreso than any other event in football like Mourinho potentially winning the league), but get a bit of perspective. 

 

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16 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Check yours facts right. The season Klopp won the title with Bundesliga is when Dortmund was relying on good defence and was not playing so attacking. Both of their winning season, they scored 80 and then 67 goals, while they recieve only 25 and 22 goals.
The season after that Klopp decided to play attacking football with the likes of Reus and Gotze. Next 2 season Borussia scored 81 goals and 80 but because of the so call sexy football, they recieved 42 and 38 goals.

I hope you can calculate what the score is. From the moment Klopp decide they play this sexy football, Dortmund did not won a title since them.

And so far Klopp won nothing with Liverpool. Conte won the PL.

And you are trying to twist the facts. Klopp done nothing so far, he is not even close to being a competitor in the PL. His best place is what ? 4 ?

Brendon Rodgers atleast was very close to win the title and finish seconds. You can`t say the same for Klopp. And i can make a statement, no matter how many more years hei s at Liverpool, he won`t win the PL.

And he get all the support from the fans and the boards. The board brough him the player he wanted. Big money moves for Salah, big money for Keita, big money for van Dijk, for Chamberlane, big money for Sadio Mane.
They get the players he want. And he was not proven at them.

Conte prove to us by winning the title and get nothing he wanted.

He said that by himself. No one from the board have come and said it otherwise, so it`s like that.

And attacking football can be successful, only if you spend a lot of money. You can see City last season.

And in Chelsea that won`t happen. First we won`t spend so much, and second, the manager needs to choice the players, cause he knows best what he need for that style. That won`t happen in Chelsea.

We are in big trouble now.

No chance we get a top manager, forget about being better than Conte, and no chance at getting world class players, and we need a lot.

Let`s not lying to ourself. This s**** was the same in the third Mou season, just after he won record title with us. Same happen this season. Conte broke so many records like season, and now this.

Isn`t it obvious who the fault is ?

 

 

Conte's been perfect this season , he has made amateur mistakes and way too many of them. What you cant realise is these mistakes don't matter if you spend 2billion of 2 pence, they have been stupid mistakes and what sort of manager makes the comments Conte does every weekend in the press? Conte has been perfect though or shall we just blame any mistakes he has done on the board. Yes the board are also at fault but let's not make out Conte has been good this year, in fact he wouldn't even be average.

12 minutes ago, MANoWAR said:

The PL's nickname might as well be the money league because of all the payments that are given to the top clubs for doing well. Chelsea are far too big of a club to somehow be in some kind of rut because we're bankrolled by billionaire and have a world class  system in our youth, ignoring the fact the PL has so many players they can take from smaller sides with little recompense -- we've had a worse season than this and won the title the season after. Regardless of whether we have the same   players this season or last season, there's no chance we're somehow kind of big trouble. What trouble? We miss out on CL again? f**k sake. I'm obviously pissed off that we lost to Spurs at home (moreso than any other event in football like Mourinho potentially winning the league), but get a bit of perspective. 

 

The difference will be if we can keep our squad together or not. The last time we finished outside of the Champions League spots, we kept the squad together, i don't think that will happen this time. I can see a few leaving, and if they do, i don't think we will bounce back as well as we did last time.

There is no situation that I can envisage that has us somehow lingering in midtable. Like I outlined in the reasons above, we'll miss out the CL but we'll get back at some point because of how much money is involved. Hazard and Courtois leave? We'll still get good players even if they're not as good. Moses leaves? We get  somebody who's a lot better which isn't exactly difficult.. 

Heck, we get EL this season and win it next season. Finish out of the top 4 but still get into the CL. Strong logical possibility which doesn't leave us in a bad position. 

sh*t situation now, but it happens with every top club. City will see the same when Pep leaves.

FWIW I think Conte should leave because of his incessant whining and inflexibility w.r.t  tactics and formations 

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1 hour ago, forbzy said:

I'm surprised that so many seem to think that replacing Conte will solve the problems. Our current issues go way deeper than the manager. 

not really. we are in a moment of transitioning and with a stadium to build, we won't be spending as much and the club also seem to have a vision of building a younger team. the problem is, conte doesn't stop talking about money spent or him having done as much as he could with the players at his disposal etc. he needs to just get on with the job and stop whining. 

39 minutes ago, brakeit said:

No chance we get a top manager, forget about being better than Conte,

When you're prepared to pay £6-9 million per season on a 3 year contract, you will ALWAYS be able to attract "top" managers ...

18 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Conte's been perfect this season , he has made amateur mistakes and way too many of them. What you cant realise is these mistakes don't matter if you spend 2billion of 2 pence, they have been stupid mistakes and what sort of manager makes the comments Conte does every weekend in the press? Conte has been perfect though or shall we just blame any mistakes he has done on the board. Yes the board are also at fault but let's not make out Conte has been good this year, in fact he wouldn't even be average.

Where exactly i write that he is perfect? Or close to that? Where ???

But wasn`t you the guy, that wanted Christensen to play, not Cahill, you see because of Christensen make non-stop idiotic mistake in every big match he is playing. We lose so many points because of him.

He change tactics and change formation from 3-5-2 to 3-4-3.
Rotate a lot of the players, from Cahill to Christensen to Rudiger, to Fabregas, to Bakayoko, to Pedro and Willy.

He is far from perfect, but our team right now is average. If you look form, age, injuries and so on, on our squad.

Also as i said many times, from the summer, he is not at 100%, he is not giving hes best. And the board is to blame for that.

No one would be at 100%, after that sh*** our board did to him.

This is my main issue.
I have zero problem changing Conte. But Marina need to go too.

This is the same thing that happen, in 2 years time with different manager. Top class manager. So it`s not the board manager, unless you wear some kind of pink glasses ....

Let me continue, why Marina decide to sell Salah ? What a idiotic deal she did with Roma? He did good season on loan at Fiorentina, and she put him on a loan to Roma, for 5mlnd and clause option so they can buy him for 15m....

This is super idiotic ....

Hes contract with us was till 2019. This is not idiotic, this is superb idiotic deal. She should have send him to loan or sell him with buyback clause. The same thing goes for Lukaku and De Bruyne.

So Mourinho have the half guilt for that, Marina have the rest.

I said it again, no problem Conte goes in the summer, but he should not be the only one. We need big change in our policy, that is for sure. The board need to go too.