12 minutes ago, ducavis said:

I wouldn’t be too sure. Early Feb he was publicly stating that he had options & he had ambitions, even daring the board to sack him. He suddenly went quiet on that front. Now unlike any other season, several positions are up for grabs but they are filling up quickly. Bayern, Dortmund, PSG and Arsenal already have managers in place, Allegri is staying with Juve. The only other roles available at present are the Italian National team, Nice, Leipzig and Napoli (Ancelotti pref.) if Sarri leaves. 

The Italy National team job went to Mancini !

So guys IF Conte leaves will it be A) because he wants to leave B) Chelsea sacks him? 

I think it will be A if it happens. If you sack him you are letting go one of the best. 

Wronng quote.

Edited May 23, 20188 yr by Blue Exile

Wrong thread. 

We've become spoilt, entitled fans, that's what it comes down to. Like Yorkley said above, you can't win them all. Especially in today's climate in the league. 

There will be seasons where we don't win a damn thing. Conte has delivered two major trophies in two seasons and people don't seem to get that it's a big deal. Other clubs would kill for that- my housemate's constant moaning and crying about Spurs ("i just want us to win something", he whined, bitter tears down the phone to his dad after Matic's screamer put them out of the FA cup last time) paints a picture of how big a deal these things are. 10 years of winning diddly squat, compared to the, what, 10 piece of silverware we have won in that time? 

I'm fully prepared for Conte leaving. It's a shame he's been so jaded this season but I wish him the best. 

No one is saying we should win them all. It'd be nice to have some harmony between players and manager and it'd be even nicer to have a coach that can motivate the team as it's clear Conte can't do that when he's burned so many bridges this season.

I don't see any solution where he can effectively manage this set of players next season.

3 minutes ago, Luca Vialli said:

No one is saying we should win them all. It'd be nice to have some harmony between players and manager and it'd be even nicer to have a coach that can motivate the team as it's clear Conte can't do that when he's burned so many bridges this season.

I don't see any solution where he can effectively manage this set of players next season.

Indeed, which is why we'll probably offload Willian, Pedro, Drinkwater, Morata, Barkley and Luiz and keep him as manager (!) 

Edited May 23, 20188 yr by Blueblur

1 hour ago, Blueblur said:

We've become spoilt, entitled fans, that's what it comes down to. Like Yorkley said above, you can't win them all. Especially in today's climate in the league. 

There will be seasons where we don't win a damn thing. Conte has delivered two major trophies in two seasons and people don't seem to get that it's a big deal. Other clubs would kill for that- my housemate's constant moaning and crying about Spurs ("i just want us to win something", he whined, bitter tears down the phone to his dad after Matic's screamer put them out of the FA cup last time) paints a picture of how big a deal these things are. 10 years of winning diddly squat, compared to the, what, 10 piece of silverware we have won in that time? 

I'm fully prepared for Conte leaving. It's a shame he's been so jaded this season but I wish him the best. 

I also want us as a club to get to the point where we're among the absolute elite and don't act like thankful beggars every time we manage to win a trophy. Where we demand success from our players and staff every season like Real, Barca, Bayern and co and anything less isn't good enough. Who gives a rat's arse about Spurs? Why do we want to remain on that level? You call it spoilt, I call it ambitious. 

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2018/5/23/17381230/why-hasnt-conte-been-sacked-yet

Hmm...

This article makes some fair points.  

Would be lovely if the board and Conte are looking to understand what it would take to make it work, because honestly there aren't better coaches available and I include Sarri in that. 

I'm very happy for us to get rid of Willian and Luiz if that keeps Conte. For us to really compete and play better football, we would only really need a quality midfielder who is athletic with defensive awareness and can contribute on the ball, and a decent right wing back. 

If we signed that and replacements for Willian and Luiz we could easily make a tilt at the title and the Europa League next year.

1 hour ago, Blueblur said:

Indeed, which is why we'll probably offload Willian, Pedro, Drinkwater, Morata, Barkley and Luiz and keep him as manager (!) 

You'd have to add Cahill, Christensen and Rudiger to that list as they've all been less than complimentary about him in interviews too.

1 hour ago, Luca Vialli said:

No one is saying we should win them all. It'd be nice to have some harmony between players and manager and it'd be even nicer to have a coach that can motivate the team as it's clear Conte can't do that when he's burned so many bridges this season.

I don't see any solution where he can effectively manage this set of players next season.

Yeah same here. I've been 'Conte out!' for months, but it doesn't have a single thing to do with silverware. If he'd been the same energetic, passionate, motivational manager as we saw in his first season, but we'd missed top 4 and won nothing, I'd still have been right behind keeping him as manager. I cannot however support a manager who sulks, constantly attacks the board in the press, and demotivates the team causing the kind of spats we've been seeing. It feels like the club has become a toxic environment for no good reason other than his ego, and that's unforgivable.

1 hour ago, Spiller86 said:

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2018/5/23/17381230/why-hasnt-conte-been-sacked-yet

Hmm...

This article makes some fair points.  

Would be lovely if the board and Conte are looking to understand what it would take to make it work, because honestly there aren't better coaches available and I include Sarri in that. 

I'm very happy for us to get rid of Willian and Luiz if that keeps Conte. For us to really compete and play better football, we would only really need a quality midfielder who is athletic with defensive awareness and can contribute on the ball, and a decent right wing back. 

If we signed that and replacements for Willian and Luiz we could easily make a tilt at the title and the Europa League next year.

Thx for posting the link Spiller.

An opinion from wxwax no less & imo a very fair & well reasoned one at that & it is hard to disagree with at all. I may have had some disagreements with him over film when he graced these boards all those years ago but not his take on keeping Conte.

I think it's instructive to look back much earlier this season as to what expectations were realistic: some of us stated back then that top 4 & a cup would be a good season in circumstances where making the top 4 has never been harder. And we almost got there. I still think we had a good season. Not that that is going to save Conte which I think is unfortunate really because imo we should keep him. But with this club the grass always seems greener with short term stints as far as the Manager goes. I wonder what those on here might say at this time next year should we miss out on top 4 again after having brought in someone else? All speculative of course but let's be realistic - how many of the available managers out there are as good as Conte?

Fully agree with the above posts, I'd be keen to keep him around but there is two many broken bridges. Can we really expect the strained relationship with the board to be fixed and if so what if we can't land his targets.

Then there is the issue of the players there's to many now that seem to have an issue, the post final interviews were telling, can we really expect to ship out 5-8 players.

I'm resigned to a new manager and look forward to it, if we keep conte I'll support him but can see it being a dire season.

1 hour ago, Barrettinator said:

I also want us as a club to get to the point where we're among the absolute elite and don't act like thankful beggars every time we manage to win a trophy. Where we demand success from our players and staff every season like Real, Barca, Bayern and co and anything less isn't good enough. Who gives a rat's arse about Spurs? Why do we want to remain on that level? You call it spoilt, I call it ambitious. 

Blimey. The pinnacle of entitlement.

It seems to me that Chelsea is a vehicle of reflected glory here. I'm sure followers of Grimsby Town want to be on the level of Real, Barca and Bayern too. I'd like to win the Euromillions ( your setting your self up for a lifetime of disappointment if you align YOUR ambitions to that of a football club)

Weve come a long way, we've won everything in sight, yet it seems like anything less than guaranteed future world domination is a kick in the teeth for some.

23 minutes ago, DukesOfHazard said:

Fully agree with the above posts, I'd be keen to keep him around but there is two many broken bridges. Can we really expect the strained relationship with the board to be fixed and if so what if we can't land his targets.

Then there is the issue of the players there's to many now that seem to have an issue, the post final interviews were telling, can we really expect to ship out 5-8 players.

I'm resigned to a new manager and look forward to it, if we keep conte I'll support him but can see it being a dire season.

Add to that, if he stays doesnt get his targets and we start next season poorly where do we go then? better to make a clean break now and plan with signings under a new manager however it is, than run the risk of him having another strained season and going after 2 months... then getting Hiddink in to save the seaon 

I’m a fan of conte staying but I think Chelsea needs a director of football he can work with and a budget around 200m to stay at the level of a European top 10 club. 

39 minutes ago, Bonzodog29 said:

Add to that, if he stays doesnt get his targets and we start next season poorly where do we go then? better to make a clean break now and plan with signings under a new manager however it is, than run the risk of him having another strained season and going after 2 months... then getting Hiddink in to save the seaon 

Exactly and if it's players to suit contes style of play and after next season Roman hires a coach to get the attacking football he desires we may well need another overhaul, best just start now.

1 hour ago, Kentonio said:

Yeah same here. I've been 'Conte out!' for months, but it doesn't have a single thing to do with silverware. If he'd been the same energetic, passionate, motivational manager as we saw in his first season, but we'd missed top 4 and won nothing, I'd still have been right behind keeping him as manager. I cannot however support a manager who sulks, constantly attacks the board in the press, and demotivates the team causing the kind of spats we've been seeing. It feels like the club has become a toxic environment for no good reason other than his ego, and that's unforgivable.

Seems to me winning the FA Cup has got some fans into the Arsenal mentality and letting it gloss over everything that has happened this year. Conte has had many faults this year and silverware or not I wouldn't blame any club for sacking their manager for those reasons. The list is actually pretty big including falling out with players, baiting the board, tactics and it's goes on and on. He has shown nothing to recognise any of these, his too stubborn, all he has done is try and protect his own reputation which he has done superbly.

So he's waiting to be sacked and get a year off, contend  to carry on for another year (either all guns blazing or don't give a f* all) , definitely putting the ball back to the board's court. Sack him for 9M, then buy out the contract of the Napoli Manger, it's about 20M just to make the change. Instead of going through all that for the sake of it, why not keep the 20M and spend on  a 80M player before the WC kicks off?

5 hours ago, Blueblur said:

We've become spoilt, entitled fans, that's what it comes down to. Like Yorkley said above, you can't win them all. Especially in today's climate in the league. 

There will be seasons where we don't win a damn thing. Conte has delivered two major trophies in two seasons and people don't seem to get that it's a big deal. Other clubs would kill for that- my housemate's constant moaning and crying about Spurs ("i just want us to win something", he whined, bitter tears down the phone to his dad after Matic's screamer put them out of the FA cup last time) paints a picture of how big a deal these things are. 10 years of winning diddly squat, compared to the, what, 10 piece of silverware we have won in that time? 

I'm fully prepared for Conte leaving. It's a shame he's been so jaded this season but I wish him the best. 

Na. 

It's not "spoilt" or "entitled" to want a Manager who actually wants to be at the club. 

I want Conte to go, but it's got nothing to do with where we finished in the league, or trophies.

Conte has spent the season making it as obvious as possible that he doesn't want to be here; moaning, taking snipes at the board, and drilling it into the players that they are not good enough (when he isn't falling out with them). 

His position has become completely untenable and it's nothing to do with his ability as a Manager. 

I am certain if he stays another season it will all end in tears by Christmas. 

I think winning the FA Cup is a perfect way for all parties to shake hands and walk away with their heads held high. Let's leave what has been a pretty ugly season, all things considered, on a high note. 

25 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

So he's waiting to be sacked and get a year off, contend  to carry on for another year (either all guns blazing or don't give a f* all) , definitely putting the ball back to the board's court. Sack him for 9M, then buy out the contract of the Napoli Manger, it's about 20M just to make the change. Instead of going through all that for the sake of it, why not keep the 20M and spend on  a 80M player before the WC kicks off?

Because Conte will complain that we should've bought the £100m player that Man City/United bought, moan about not being backed and state that 5th place is as good as he can do under the circumstances. Just like he did last season.

4 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

Na. 

It's not "spoilt" or "entitled" to want a Manager who actually wants to be at the club. 

I want Conte to go, but it's got nothing to do with where we finished in the league, or trophies.

Conte has spent the season making it as obvious as possible that he doesn't want to be here; moaning, taking snipes at the board, and drilling it into the players that they are not good enough (when he isn't falling out with them). 

His position has become completely untenable and it's nothing to do with his ability as a Manager. 

I am certain if he stays another season it will all end in tears by Christmas. 

I think winning the FA Cup is a perfect way for all parties to shake hands and walk away with their heads held high. Let's leave what has been a pretty ugly season, all things considered, on a high note. 

I'm not sure that even you believe that.

Who would be wanting Conte out if we'd won the league?  Champions League?

No-one.

12 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

I'm not sure that even you believe that.

Who would be wanting Conte out if we'd won the league?  Champions League?

No-one.

If Conte won the league or Champions league I very much doubt he would have made the managerial mistakes he has this season, you can't do what Conte has done and win the league.

Just now, yorkleyblue said:

I'm not sure that even you believe that.

Who would be wanting Conte out if we'd won the league?  Champions League?

No-one.

I don't think winning the CL would have made any difference to me- it's a knock out competition just like the FA Cup... and winning the FA Cup made no difference to my stance. 

It's hard to imagine a scenario where you would ever want to part company with your manager after winning the league, granted.

But we didn't win the league, and you never would when you have the lack of harmony within our squad this season. That's the problem. 

I think the point is that finishing 5th wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me. Not saying I would be happy with finishing 5th every season, but that alone certainly wouldn't have me calling for Conte's head. We have all seen how much of a brilliant Manager he is when he is on his game, and I agree that we will be hard pushed to find anyone better than that version of Conte. 

18 minutes ago, mclovin83 said:

I don't think winning the CL would have made any difference to me- it's a knock out competition just like the FA Cup...

You can't actually believe this?