7 minutes ago, Argo said:

Good timing because I've just come across this tweet and it's it's worse than I thought.

 

 

Lyon finished 8th

they have been sh*t all season, also they play a back 4, he might be slightly better as a wingback. At least he seems like a good character and TT really likes him for some reason 

the only thing i remember from emerson is his goal against atletico madrid. Not really a great defender but technically decent 

Edited June 12, 20224 yr by azpi28

10 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

Lyon finished 8th

Which makes the fact they couldn't wait to see the back of him even more damming.

11 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

he might be slightly better as a wingback

He'll be worse, he offers absolutely zilch from an attacking point of view. To put him in arguably the most crucial position in TT's system would be bordering on sabotage.

i would prefer Maatsen too, hopefully Chilwell will be able to play most of our games

6 hours ago, azpi28 said:

i was wrong, i think it was Spinazzola 

he played the quarter final, semi final and final, maybe not first choice but played in all the crucial games

i think we should go for Cucurella 

 

Top player but I suspect he will go to City. The one area in City's team where you probably say they could do with an upgrade. Especially with what is going on with Mendy and generally Mendy isn't good enough anyway.

41 minutes ago, STATS said:

Top player but I suspect he will go to City. The one area in City's team where you probably say they could do with an upgrade. Especially with what is going on with Mendy and generally Mendy isn't good enough anyway.

City no 1 lb is cancelo and they have Zinchenko n Ake as backup. Not sure they need an upgrade 

5 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

City no 1 lb is cancelo and they have Zinchenko n Ake as backup. Not sure they need an upgrade 

Cancelo is a brilliant LB but can also play RB, especially with Walker's injury issues, he often plays there. Zinchenko is decent but no way near the same quality as Cucurella. Ake is a CB who can play LB. Either way it is a position where ideally, Pep would never have him playing. He may be on the move this summer also as really, he is surplus to requirements. If City get Cucurella, they have two top fullbacks in each position. Cancelo and Walker for RB, Cucurella and Cancelo for LB.

1 hour ago, STATS said:

Cancelo is a brilliant LB but can also play RB, especially with Walker's injury issues, he often plays there. Zinchenko is decent but no way near the same quality as Cucurella. Ake is a CB who can play LB. Either way it is a position where ideally, Pep would never have him playing. He may be on the move this summer also as really, he is surplus to requirements. If City get Cucurella, they have two top fullbacks in each position. Cancelo and Walker for RB, Cucurella and Cancelo for LB.

For a couple years now pep has asked one of his fb to sit more either as midfielder (Zinchenko, delph) or as third cb (walker).

When you move cancelo as rb, you probably don't want him as rcb so you will ask your lb to play as such hence Ake n Zinchenko are more than capable backup

 

The time to sell Emerson was right after he played in the European Championship Semis and Final ... I suspect he'll hang about like a nasty smell until the end of his contract and leave on a free. Christ knows why Tuchel seems to rate him ... 

Edited June 13, 20224 yr by Sexyfootball

Sadly we have too many average players on high wages where its impossible to sell them until their contract expires. 

Still feeling the affects of that Conte disaster transfer window. 

Edited June 13, 20224 yr by Sconnie Blue

CHO needs to go on loan. Personally I don't think he'll ever be good enough but he deserves a chance to prove himself somewhere where he'll have plenty of playing time and less pressure to deliver in every game.

49 minutes ago, abramovich said:

CHO needs to go on loan. Personally I don't think he'll ever be good enough but he deserves a chance to prove himself somewhere where he'll have plenty of playing time and less pressure to deliver in every game.

I would be cashing in if we can. Send him on loan and I'll wager he will become another of our perpetual loanees whose value diminishes every 6 months until we end selling him to West Brom in three years time for £5m. 

 

 

23 hours ago, Bob stark said:

For a couple years now pep has asked one of his fb to sit more either as midfielder (Zinchenko, delph) or as third cb (walker).

When you move cancelo as rb, you probably don't want him as rcb so you will ask your lb to play as such hence Ake n Zinchenko are more than capable backup

 

Yep, and that is why he will want to get natural players in that position. Same way he got Grealish when he did not really need him. He will want two quality players in both position. Ake is not someone you will want as LB for a top team. If Cancelo was to get an injury, Pep would be cursing not buying another LB. Also with all the comps they are in, I see it as a position he defo would want to strengthen. Walker is getting on also and like I say, will be rotated often so Cancelo will play RB a lot. Cucurella is young and only getting better.

1 hour ago, STATS said:

Yep, and that is why he will want to get natural players in that position. Same way he got Grealish when he did not really need him. He will want two quality players in both position. Ake is not someone you will want as LB for a top team. If Cancelo was to get an injury, Pep would be cursing not buying another LB. Also with all the comps they are in, I see it as a position he defo would want to strengthen. Walker is getting on also and like I say, will be rotated often so Cancelo will play RB a lot. Cucurella is young and only getting better.

I agree that he will offer them something different but I will be surprised if pep sign him this season unless he is available for cheap. City is in in the market for a dm to replace fernandinho and they are pretty much done. 

16 hours ago, loz said:

I would be cashing in if we can. Send him on loan and I'll wager he will become another of our perpetual loanees whose value diminishes every 6 months until we end selling him to West Brom in three years time for £5m. 

 

 

But what team would spend anything decent on him given how little he's played, how long he's been out, not to mention his big wages? I thought somewhere on loan he may play enough to drum up some interest at least, and our wage bill could take a breather in the meantime.

Even putting my opinion of him to one side, our other attackers not named Mount and Havertz should be out of the door before his future even gets locked at.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

Even putting my opinion of him to one side, our other attackers not named Mount and Havertz should be out of the door before his future even gets locked at.

You included Broja in that list?

22 hours ago, abramovich said:

CHO needs to go on loan. Personally I don't think he'll ever be good enough but he deserves a chance to prove himself somewhere where he'll have plenty of playing time and less pressure to deliver in every game.

Is it him or he isn’t getting adequately coached to reach his potential? Bayern & Dortmund; 2 clubs notorious for nurturing young talents have retained interest in him  the last 2 summers, surely that means they see something in him.

Now if our forward line was firing on all cylinders and he was the exception I would agree with this, but 6 forward players have been abysmal. Surely at some point the finger should be pointed somewhere else.

52 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Is it him or he isn’t getting adequately coached to reach his potential? Bayern & Dortmund; 2 clubs notorious for nurturing young talents have retained interest in him  the last 2 summers, surely that means they see something in him.

Now if our forward line was firing on all cylinders and he was the exception I would agree with this, but 6 forward players have been abysmal. Surely at some point the finger should be pointed somewhere else.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record last season he was 3rd highest in the league with big chances created behind KDB and Grealish.

1 hour ago, ducavis said:

Is it him or he isn’t getting adequately coached to reach his potential? Bayern & Dortmund; 2 clubs notorious for nurturing young talents have retained interest in him  the last 2 summers, surely that means they see something in him.

Now if our forward line was firing on all cylinders and he was the exception I would agree with this, but 6 forward players have been abysmal. Surely at some point the finger should be pointed somewhere else.

Tt’s back 3 is a cup system or better for big matches only.. we move to back 4 our forwards will perform better.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

At the risk of sounding like a broken record last season he was 3rd highest in the league with big chances created behind KDB and Grealish.

Where is that stat coming from? These lists dont even have him anywhere near the top:

https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/big_chance_created

https://www.squawka.com/en/premier-league-most-chances-created/

11 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Where is that stat coming from? These lists dont even have him anywhere near the top:

https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/big_chance_created

https://www.squawka.com/en/premier-league-most-chances-created/

Sorry forgot to put open play chances.

Edited June 14, 20224 yr by Argo

So do you included Broja in your list of should go before CHO does @Argo

Just now, axman2526 said:

So do you included Broja in your list of should go before CHO does @Argo

Sorry forgot to reply.

I haven't seen him play for us so at this point he counts about as much as Soonsup Bell does.

8 hours ago, ducavis said:

Is it him or he isn’t getting adequately coached to reach his potential? Bayern & Dortmund; 2 clubs notorious for nurturing young talents have retained! in him  the last 2 summers, surely that means they see something in him.

Now if our forward line was firing on all cylinders and he was the exception I would agree with this, but 6 forward players have been abysmal. Surely at some point the finger should be pointed somewhere else.no

Cho is still young and imo has ridiculous potential but if we want to build the team around kai n Mount and stick to 343, then cho is not a natural fit with those two, Puli or Werner make more sense. 

Edited June 15, 20224 yr by Bob stark

4 hours ago, Argo said:

Sorry forgot to reply.

I haven't seen him play for us so at this point he counts about as much as Soonsup Bell does.

Guess we will see what TT makes of him.