21 minutes ago, Argo said:

We have a serious mental problem when we have a setback especially when we fall behind, this season it seems to be the case more than ever.

Yesterday was a major example of what I'm talking about, first half I thought we were actually very good, we should have been ahead and I was actually quite relaxed because we were in total control bar one misshap for the King counter chance and I felt we would eventually grind them down and win relitevely comfortably.

Then we conceded early in the second half and we started panicking and second guessing ourselves and got beat comfortably, it happened similar in the Leicester game only on that occasion we didn't concede any more. I'm not sure why it's such a problem this year, but we seem to fall apart after a setback in ways I have never seen us do before.

It's nothing to do with mental breakdowns or setbacks, it's down to good opposition tactics against our very predictable tactics.

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Nope, that's where you're wrong. Because I'm fully for Sarri, if you actually read past more than two posts on this thread you would see I'm defending him. 

I don't want the manager to be sacked over one silly game. But I also don't have to bad mouth people and call them all names under the sun just because they don't agree with me on the matter, although I do question ones mental stability if they want the gaffer gone already. 

Mate. If you have no problem with my post and not offended by it why are you ranting? Noone accused you for not supporting Sarri, did they? 

Are you on a vindictive vendetta  because of an argument we had in another thread about Redcafe and your Obi Mikel comment? Ill teach you how to utilize the ignore button by adding you to it. 

 

Thanks. Bye. 

I was delighted when he was announced as our manager, some of the football that napoli played last season was incredible. To be fair we're probably around about where we deserve to be comparing our squad to the others around us. We need a complete overhaul and a massive rebuild which unfortunately is going to take time. There are a lot of issues with the club right now and I don't see how sacking a manager after having 6 months in the job is going to help them. 

Edited January 31, 20197 yr by Kiee

Football, especially the Premier League is a 'results business'.  Roman's tenure to date supports this statement. On a personal note finishing outside the top 4 occasionally juxtaposed with winning tons of trophies during the 15 seasons is acceptable. However the owner / board historically in the Roman  years have removed managers/ coaches after results floundered/ top 4 was not achieved come May.  We can debate the merits of player power, square players in round holes, lack of competitive tactics, sarri ball or conte's balls until the proverbial cows come home. Bottom line -precedent tells us that unless results improve the axe will fall. 

Matt Law reporting on what Sarri talked with the players about.

Main points were:

-Sarri didn't get angry but picked apart every bad aspect.

-Singled out Eden for playing how he wanted, instead of listening.

-Asked the squad what he could be doing better.

-Travelled back alone to work 

-Pep told him to use 14 players this season.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/31/maurizio-sarri-said-chelsea-dressing-room-inquest-eden-hazard/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

2 hours ago, Semper Fi said:

Mate. If you have no problem with my post and not offended by it why are you ranting? Noone accused you for not supporting Sarri, did they? 

Are you on a vindictive vendetta  because of an argument we had in another thread about Redcafe and your Obi Mikel comment? Ill teach you how to utilize the ignore button by adding you to it. 

 

Thanks. Bye. 

Not that bothered tbh, I just think you're unnecessarily a bell and the Obi thing was just plain weird, you've done that stuff with me before. 

Really not that bothered to put you on ignore, you're not irritating and I'm sure I've agreed with you in the past on some things, I would just recommend to change your approach and stop being so angry all the time. 

2 hours ago, coco said:

It's nothing to do with mental breakdowns or setbacks, it's down to good opposition tactics against our very predictable tactics.

I think there's some lack of quality in the side also, we can't seem to put things to bed, takes us a long time to create a chance and grab a goal. 

1 hour ago, General said:

Football, especially the Premier League is a 'results business'.  Roman's tenure to date supports this statement. On a personal note finishing outside the top 4 occasionally juxtaposed with winning tons of trophies during the 15 seasons is acceptable. However the owner / board historically in the Roman  years have removed managers/ coaches after results floundered/ top 4 was not achieved come May.  We can debate the merits of player power, square players in round holes, lack of competitive tactics, sarri ball or conte's balls until the proverbial cows come home. Bottom line -precedent tells us that unless results improve the axe will fall. 

I agree top 4 is important to the board and would be seen as failure if we didn’t achieve it. However I think the goalposts have moved slightly and no team is garuenteed top 4 now. 

We aren’t spending anywhere near what other teams are and it is clear there is a problem with the squad. 

45 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Matt Law reporting on what Sarri talked with the players about.

Main points were:

-Sarri didn't get angry but picked apart every bad aspect.

-Singled out Eden for playing how he wanted, instead of listening.

-Asked the squad what he could be doing better.

-Travelled back alone to work 

-Pep told him to use 14 players this season.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/01/31/maurizio-sarri-said-chelsea-dressing-room-inquest-eden-hazard/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

If that last one was true, and Sarri was listening to advice like that from ANY rival manager I would be stunned.

That cannot be true. No way.

2 minutes ago, JM7 said:

I agree top 4 is important to the board and would be seen as failure if we didn’t achieve it. However I think the goalposts have moved slightly and no team is garuenteed top 4 now. 

We aren’t spending anywhere near what other teams are and it is clear there is a problem with the squad. 

Not really much in it when it comes to spending, Arsenal can only loan players and Spurs don't spend. Not sure what net spend would be compared with Liverpool the last few seasons.  Chelsea still spend plenty of money but just not as much now, then have a problem of getting rid of the duds.

we are now in a three way fight for 4th place and I see nothing to suggest Sarri can turn this group of players into a consistently effective winning team

nightmare

Looks like beginning of the end, another attack on the players and I bet there will be a few more players turn against him ( if not after the Arsenal game). After the second goal, the whole team pretty much gave up. We had some shockers in recent years, but that's the first time I saw the whole team just said f* this. At the end of the transfer window, we are actually weaker than where the month started. Higuain is a better finisher, but he needs time to adapt, time we don't have. He didn't even get a decent shot away in his last 2 outings, his problem is not finishing the chance, but get to the end of a chance. Got rid of the best passer in the game when we are so short in the creativity is a suicide, maybe we could bring Drinkwater back from the death.

So strange how we could go from that performance against spurs to last night.

Clearly we couldn’t be bothered. Sarri got it spot on, how come we could play great football against Spurs, creating loads of great chances even though they tried to park the bus as they were leading on aggregate.

Last night was completely different.

6 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

So strange how we could go from that performance against spurs to last night.

Clearly we couldn’t be bothered. Sarri got it spot on, how come we could play great football against Spurs, creating loads of great chances even though they tried to park the bus as they were leading on aggregate.

Last night was completely different.

What about all the other games? Spurs was a one off for the last few months. 

Spurs game was a semi final, players decided to show up to play another final. It's ironic when a manager openly questions everyone's motivation, players usually follow up with complete lack of motivations. This is exactly what we have seen in Jose's last term, for various reasons players just fed up and lost confidence in the manager's method, so on, and so forth..

Same trend I don't blame the managers anymore...

46 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

What about all the other games? Spurs was a one off for the last few months. 

I guess that begs the question of why was it a one off?  Because the team played far above their quality/weight that one match, or because they show up when they choose to and that's become a the exception instead of the norm?

We beat Spurs with 3 of their best players out. Remember that.

Its clear the tactics arent working. And stubborn sarri isnt willing to adapt even in the slightest. We can blame the motivation of the players all we want, but when he didnt play a striker for about i games even though we are struggling to score, then theres only one person to.blame in my eyes.

2 hours ago, KonaKai Blue said:

We beat Spurs with 3 of their best players out. Remember that.

Thank you for posting this vital information that so many of the other seem to not even remember. And without them too we could only defeat the Spurs in Penalties.

11 minutes ago, brownindian said:

Thank you for posting this vital information that so many of the other seem to not even remember. And without them too we could only defeat the Spurs in Penalties.

Actually, we won the game outright, but a weakened Spurs team that we dominated should be about on par with a Bournemouth team that gave us our worst beating in 20 years. 

2 minutes ago, Skinnedy said:

Actually, we won the game outright, but a weakened Spurs team that we dominated should be about on par with a Bournemouth team that gave us our worst beating in 20 years. 

Outright is a bit of a stretch IMO. We drew the game and won on penalties. 

35 minutes ago, brownindian said:

Outright is a bit of a stretch IMO. We drew the game and won on penalties. 

No we didn't. We won the game 2-1, drew on aggregate, and advanced on penalties. 

4 minutes ago, Skinnedy said:

No we didn't. We won the game 2-1, drew on aggregate, and advanced on penalties. 

Fair enough, the point i was trying to make was that we did not lead the aggregate. We advanced on penalties and that too thankfully cos this year the rules were amended and Away goals don't count anymore.

And the reason why i am trying to highlight that point is not to argue with you on technicalities but rather to say that although it was good to get a win against the Spurs it is not like our team is brilliant one minute and crap the next, we have been bland for a while. So to all the folks saying hey we were terrible then we were fantastic and motivated for the Spurs and became terrible again, that is not the case.

9 hours ago, Argo said:

We have a serious mental problem when we have a setback especially when we fall behind, this season it seems to be the case more than ever.

Yesterday was a major example of what I'm talking about, first half I thought we were actually very good, we should have been ahead and I was actually quite relaxed because we were in total control bar one misshap for the King counter chance and I felt we would eventually grind them down and win relitevely comfortably.

Then we conceded early in the second half and we started panicking and second guessing ourselves and got beat comfortably, it happened similar in the Leicester game only on that occasion we didn't concede any more. I'm not sure why it's such a problem this year, but we seem to fall apart after a setback in ways I have never seen us do before.

The mental issues IMO are down to one (or maybe more than one) of three things:

1) Sarri isn't a particularly strong motivator.

2) The squad as a whole isn't very determined.

3) Azpi doesn't have the ability to motivate/inspire/marshal his charges when the team is against the wall in the way that JT once could.