1 hour ago, abramovich said:

Can someone post a video of how well Sarri's Napoli played against 'parked bus' tactics? Because if that's an example of a typical Serie A Sarriball performance then I'm not surprised it worked so well down there. 

 

 

I think sarriball is pass pass moving forward pass pass moving forward. I think we miss the going forward bit.

24 minutes ago, Sindre said:

No, i am saying it because i think its an issue.
I checked the stats on whoscored and Top 3 in terms of passes against Bournemouth were Rudiger, Luiz and Azpilicueta.
It certainly tells you that we had a lot of what i call "non-threatening" possession which is pointless and helping our opponents more than ourselves.

That's how posssession works, a lot of it is non-threatening but it's safe since as long as the opponent doesn't have the ball they have nothing. 

The problem is that we can't expect to have 100% possession so that nobody needs to actually play defense.

As much as our attack is poor, our defense is also poor, Conte was right, the players are not title winning material, the run they had was overperformance and these last 2 seasons are showing it.

 

1 hour ago, Sindre said:

Because if you stop Jorginho you generally won't have much to worry about defensively if you stay deep and counter us.
If you don't stop Jorginho and let him run the game as he'd like is when you are in trouble and will have more than enough to do trying to keep a clean sheet.

Now obviously Jorginho isn't solely at fault for us allowing Bournemouth 4 goals, the defence was horrible as well.

But if you stop Jorginho you have little to worry about defensively and you can counter us. Which Bournemouth did with great success. Thats my view on it.

Well this would suggest that it's the players ahead of Jorginho as mainly being the problem...... Jorginho doesn't even have an assist this season so stopping him should mean we don't get the ball in the attacking third as much (that doesn't seem to have been the issue vs Bournemouth), but it shouldn't impair the attack once in the final third as much as is being claimed here.....that's on the attacking 3 and perhaps even the RM/LM who push ahead of Jorginho.  If nullifying Jorginho nullifies the attack, then I think the issue more than Jorginho is how slow the attack is.  If you have a well drilled team that can setup with 10 in/around the box before the other team posses a threat then you can completely blank much better teams from scoring....as Chelsea fans we should know this better than anyone.

 

The issue is we aren't scoring goals in a system that is currently very open to exploitation on the counter attack.  I think this is partly because our progress is so slow in the attack (and yet we commit so many bodies) that teams are comfortable really coming at us with numbers on the counter (how many times are our CB's out numbered on breaks? Too many) and quite frankly almost every team we've faced this season have taken their chances better even though on paper our attack should almost always be better.... I don't know if that's just bad luck (I feel like we're on pace to break the record for most shots hitting the goal post this season) or we need to review whose doing the shooting training...

I've not seen a lot of Napoli, but it seems a key to their play is fast give and go type movements....we do not see that from our players.  Its give and dwaddle.

I would love to see the team just really try those fast give and go movements, trying to push the ball up, rather than the current slow & safe possession.  They are very different things even if they appear similar due to a keeping possession with lots of passing mentality. The former might result in a lot more lost possession (especially off the bat) but it will also make for far more dangerous attacks when it works.  Obviously the fragility of the defense needs sorting before otherwise another massacre.  I would love to see Kante just sit beside Jorginho in a midfield two in a 4231 at least until the system is more stable (ie the team starts getting it) but I'm not holding my breath.

 

The club needs to commit at this point either in Sarri changing how we play with an more attacking expansive style which means we likely need a lot more personnel changes, OR the club needs to commit to winning at all cost with the players available which likely means sacking Sarri and getting in a Conte/Mourinho type tactically.

Personally I hope they stick with Sarri.  Too much of the squad needs replacing (age/ability/desire to be here among the reasons why) to bet on the players again IMO. 

 

 

 

Edited February 1, 20197 yr by Barry Bridges

The jorginho argument is just so nonsensical now

21 minutes ago, Brutos said:

The jorginho argument is just so nonsensical now

I'm beginning to think you're his agent.

This is against the best defence in the world.

Look at how intricate the passing is, no one hogging the ball or slowing the game down. Quick and incisive.

No better team in the world at defending with a low block than Juventus.

Also, I like this from Sarri. Takes a big man to apologise.

Have any of the players apologised for their disgusting performance against Bournemouth? Nope, they cower behind the manager. None of them have even posted on social media apologising. Spineless group.

The problem is when we face defending in numbers, Jorginho is hardly ever going to get a ball directly to a front player in a dangerous position. He needs a midfield player to give him an angle and at the same time as the midfielder gets the ball a forward needs to move into space he can see and try a give and go.

Sarri still looks very calm and most of the things he says are very sane. Conte and especially Mourinho were different men when they were under pressure. Don't know if it means anything but it seems that way. 

26 minutes ago, JMaher94 said:

This is against the best defence in the world.

Look at how intricate the passing is, no one hogging the ball or slowing the game down. Quick and incisive.

No better team in the world at defending with a low block than Juventus.

We can’t play that football when we have Hazard and Willian trying to take on 5 players everytime.

I’m hoping Sarri is doing something like 2 touch football training this week, and telling everybody the rule is two touch, no more. It’d stop Hazard etc from dribbling too much. 2 touch football and always forward. See how it works out.

3 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

We can’t play that football when we have Hazard and Willian trying to take on 5 players everytime.

I’m hoping Sarri is doing something like 2 touch football training this week, and telling everybody the rule is two touch, no more. It’d stop Hazard etc from dribbling too much. 2 touch football and always forward. See how it works out.

LOL I remember this from playing as a kid and coaching kids in basketball.  We'd have things like a "You have to pass 10 times OR pass to every player on the team once before you can shoot" and things like "you can only take three dribbles then you have to pass or shoot".... It does work in getting people to understand that fast ball movement concept, and drop the mentality that you should take the whole team on via dribbling.

I think this teams needs that training badly!

I think that the most important problem is what players do off the ball rather than with. I can't say anything to Hazard when he has the ball, but in this system he moves off the ball like a child, always going to the ball to recevie on his feet, no matter the position of the ball and his teammates. 

10 hours ago, jamie#8 said:

Not at all. A system and philosophy like this takes time. A few poor results and we are questioning the manager?! We need some stability and a long term goal. With a constant change of managers/styles our team will never have an established identity. Some fans are so short sighted and think its so black and white.

You'd call it a few? There's some serious disconnect going on. I'm not advocating firing him right now but something has to give. If he keeps doing what he's doing and he fails, at what point do you cut the cord? There's clearly no plan B for him and he's admitted he won't change how he does things. (admirable but admiration isn't enough) 

It would be one thing IMO if we started out rocky and have improved over 5 months but still aren't up to standard. That isn't what's happened though. The team have seemingly gotten worse. 

Do we still think this guy is right for Chelsea?

i think he’s a complete bell**d, he reminds me Mourinho at MAn U trying to engineer his way out of the club, with his crap about “I can’t motivate the players.” Well if he can’t do the job bring FL in he’ll motivate the players!

12 minutes ago, Johnnyhollins said:

Do we still think this guy is right for Chelsea?

i think he’s a complete bell**d, he reminds me Mourinho at MAn U trying to engineer his way out of the club, with his crap about “I can’t motivate the players.” Well if he can’t do the job bring FL in he’ll motivate the players!

Speak for yourself.

You're the only one I've seen here with that opinion, which shows us just how much truth there is to what you're saying.

I wrote 1 week ago that it would not be a good sing Higuain and now I write that the fans have to give time at Sarri it's a genius same mentality of coaches like Sacchi or Ancelotti instead Antonio Conte is like Fabio Capello! 

He needs time to show his game.

35 minutes ago, Johnnyhollins said:

Do we still think this guy is right for Chelsea?

i think he’s a complete bell**d, he reminds me Mourinho at MAn U trying to engineer his way out of the club, with his crap about “I can’t motivate the players.” Well if he can’t do the job bring FL in he’ll motivate the players!

P*ss off pal, Sarri had the balls to face Chelsea fans and apologised to them, where’s the apology from the players???

The fans will have paid at least a hundred for the trip to Bournemouth, train, food, drinks, possibly hotel too. They deserve an apology from the players at the very least.

The man talks so much sense, I see the media trying to bait him but he's very wise and knows it and ignoring them

 

 

I'm beginning to think you're his agent.

Yep I am

4 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

P*ss off pal, Sarri had the balls to face Chelsea fans and apologised to them, where’s the apology from the players???

The fans will have paid at least a hundred for the trip to Bournemouth, train, food, drinks, possibly hotel too. They deserve an apology from the players at the very least.

You’re easily pleased, do you still collect autographs and blush when you see the players.

Drop one of Hazard, Pedro or Willian. Play CHO. One less individual player to worry about. 

7 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Drop one of Hazard, Pedro or Willian. Play CHO. One less individual player to worry about. 

I'm kind of surprised he doesn't... CHO does seem to play more his style... but he does add one more play with out a strong strike.

3 hours ago, JMaher94 said:

This is against the best defence in the world.

Look at how intricate the passing is, no one hogging the ball or slowing the game down. Quick and incisive.

No better team in the world at defending with a low block than Juventus.

Christ on a bike. Best defending in the world my butt. Stop the video at 9 seconds. What do you see? 

That might David Luiz in the middle of those three.

Edited February 1, 20197 yr by just