2 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

But a deal like this would assist with the value of future deals with Nike or whoever.

Yeah that's more likely, how long left on our current deal?

Just now, dkw said:

Yeah that's more likely, how long left on our current deal?

Not sure but having the most hyped US player ever can't hurt the next deal.

32 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Looks like CHO is on his way out though unfortunately.

We've turned down all bids for him so I don't think that's so certain.

2 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Not sure but having the most hyped US player ever can't hurt the next deal.

And I hope there's some truth with all that hype. Let's remember that a lot of supporters in that country (US) consider Donnovan as one of the greatest in football history

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by Londonisblue

1 hour ago, Chelsbear said:

Doesn’t mean it’s not a good signing either because he hasn’t kicked a ball for us yet.

He was a year ago one of the top talents in European football and was mentioned on these boards countless times. He never committed his future to Dortmund so there were issues on that front which saw them out their time and faith into a player who would be there long term in young Sancho. That doesn’t mean Pulisic is a bad footballer it’s club politics.

The fee is high but that’s what happens if you want to beat other teams and get one step ahead. The market now sees players like CHO who haven’t kicked a ball demand more than 25 million bids. It’s just the way it is. We have secured a talented 20 year old for the best years of his career.

I find is rather silly to slate this deal before we even see him play for us. It’s madness 

I've stated my view on the reason he is viewed as a top talent in European football many times. American bloggers and twitterers. WeAintGotNoHistory is the worst culprit. 

Fitz posted an excellent piece from Raph Honigstein about his various strengths and weaknesses. He is a system player who worked well under Tuchel and not so well under others. As you say we're buying potential. Once again my view is that for 60m we can do better than potential, particularly given our unstable finances and possible transfer ban. Our attempts to buy potential for massive money recently have been a disappointing note Morata as the key example.

I think the money could have been better spent, on a player to improve this team now and keep Eden Hazard at the club, not on a player who won't play for us until after Eden has made his decision and is still 50/50 as to whether he will improve the team in the long term.

But as I said, always happy to be proven wrong and hope to God I am given the opportunity cost of 60m.

4 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

I've stated my view on the reason he is viewed as a top talent in European football many times. American bloggers and twitterers. WeAintGotNoHistory is the worst culprit. 

 

Come on, he hasn't players 100+ times for Dortmund and been covered by top teams simply because of Twitter and blogs.

For Chelsea and Liverpool the fact he is American is a big deal. Both have big connections to US. 

It all depends how well he performs. If he becomes a regular fixture and does well his big fee might be paid back in a month because he is US-born. 

As a fan naturally I want him to be the footballer he can be but this other factor is key as well. Football is business after all. 

1 hour ago, Chelsbear said:

Doesn’t mean it’s not a good signing either because he hasn’t kicked a ball for us yet.

He was a year ago one of the top talents in European football and was mentioned on these boards countless times. He never committed his future to Dortmund so there were issues on that front which saw them out their time and faith into a player who would be there long term in young Sancho. That doesn’t mean Pulisic is a bad footballer it’s club politics.

The fee is high but that’s what happens if you want to beat other teams and get one step ahead. The market now sees players like CHO who haven’t kicked a ball demand more than 25 million bids. It’s just the way it is. We have secured a talented 20 year old for the best years of his career.

I find is rather silly to slate this deal before we even see him play for us. It’s madness 

Absolutely not. He properly stalled which is the reason why he isn't a starter -- Dortmund's current crop of forwards and wingers look a lot better than when Pulisic was playing. In fact, looking at some of the Dortmund's 

comments over on Reddit, he stalled for two seasons. You can say that we've bought potential but  60m euros is fee we should be paying for somebody who's consistently shown that he has the potential to be

a world beater, not somebody who might become good.   We need to buy players that immediately show our ambition to rise to the top, and    nothing Pulisic has done reflects this, particularly if we don't sign any more top end wingers. 

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by MANoWAR

40 minutes ago, mwblue10 said:

We need Hazard to take Pulisic under his wing and teach him a thing or two.  On the pitch for sure but also in the gym.  Get him stronger and more ready for the rigors of the PL.

Two years ago I compared Pulisic's ceiling to Hazard. Hazard has taken another step up from very, very good to World Class, so that might be stretching it now... but now I think Riyad Mahrez (sp?) is a better comparison for the style of play, because you say, Hazard is much stronger in the lower body... as David Luiz once put it in one of Chelsea's pre-seaon videos "You've got a big butt". 

I basically watched every Dortmund game at the end of the year last year with Pulisic and Michy both being there and playing great. I don't know how many US fans will start paying more attention to Chelsea like I did with Dortmund, Most of the older fans already have a team.. Ronaldo will sell 10X more Juventus jerseys in the states than Pulisic, but the kids are definitely more likely to choose Chelsea as their team now... especially with the marketing arm of Nike.... if there's one thing Nike knows how to do, is brand their talent. 

all in all-- throw out the commercial reasoning behind this, and I like the signing because he makes the club better. Did Chelsea overpay? Only if it keeps them from spending money in other areas...

 

 

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by Skinnedy
phrasing was wrong...

15 minutes ago, Spiller86 said:

Not sure but having the most hyped US player ever can't hurt the next deal.

compared to the Freddy Adu nonsense, I think Pulisic has actually flown under the radar comparatively speaking. I think the US Media and fans are wary of another marketing campaign like that.

Pulisic was literally the best field player the USA had ever produced at 18 years old. At 20, he's probably the most accomplished...

exciting and sad at the same time.. lol

 

3 minutes ago, dkw said:

Come on, he hasn't players 100+ times for Dortmund and been covered by top teams simply because of Twitter and blogs.

Oh no not at all. Not saying he isn't a top flight footballer. 

But being touted as one of the top talents in Europe is absolutely influenced by that. Consider that his hype was similar to Dembele the season they played together at Dortmund and then consider their respective outputs.

19 minutes ago, dkw said:

We've turned down all bids for him so I don't think that's so certain.

True, hopefully we stick to that stance.

But i read that we are willing to accept bids around £40 million and i would be surprised if no one takes a chance at Hudson Odoi at that price.

I am holding out hope that he gets more chances by the manager and changes his mind about leaving though. What a talent.

12 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

A lot of Wolves fans are speaking about it though, there’s got to be something behind it.

I expect they all read about it on Twitter or The Sun, same as people here. Not that I don't find a transfer feasible, especially if the player is pushing for it, I just don't understand how people can actually consider this a done deal considering where the reports are coming from.

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Edited January 2, 20197 yr by bluedave
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33 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

A lot of Wolves fans are speaking about it though, there’s got to be something behind it.

Yesterday I was hearing rumours that Tammy would be recalled from Villa and loaned out to a Premier League club. I could see that happening as he seems to have found his confidence again in front of goal so a good Premier League loan would be a great test now.

 Signing players can have a massive effect in interest from the players home country. I was in Wembley last week had no idea Spurs were at home it was noticeable how many Korean fans they now have.

Time will tell us everything......he is young, fast and Pacey, can dribble etc. But we most def overpaid, even their director couldnt hide it. Also most def a marketing signing........I rather Fekir or Baily but this boy might just crack it.

19 minutes ago, Sindre said:

True, hopefully we stick to that stance.

But i read that we are willing to accept bids around £40 million and i would be surprised if no one takes a chance at Hudson Odoi at that price.

After the first bid it was reported we were willing to accept an offer in the region of £20m, Bayern made the bid and we told them where to go.

We are blatantly pricing them out.

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

After the first bid it was reported we were willing to accept an offer in the region of £20m, Bayern made the bid and we told them where to go.

We are blatantly pricing them out.

Nothing would make me happier.

Except Hudson Odoi signing a new deal of course. If he doesn't he's gone soon anyways.

 

Pulisic? That's an odd way to spell Alex Sandro

I'm a big Leon Bailey fan but after a brought start in Germany hes faded away badly for Leverkusen.

Theres no way, if I was given the choice now of paying 60m for him or Pulisic, that I'd take Bailey over Pulisic.

I assumed that Pulisic would either end up at City or Pool or a huge European side, the fact we've beaten them all to the punch is a huge bonus, IMO.

Yes, we've overpaid but in todays market, mad prices for potential is going to be the norm, especially when youre buying from another super powerful side like Dortmund. If Hazard, when we sgined him, had been playing for a bigger side than Lille, he'd have cost another couple of million, for example.

Now, Pulisic is far from being Hazards level but it shows the price point you have to buy these prestigious talents at, I'm delighted with the signing too.

WIth Odoi and Pulisic, we will be sprted on the wings for a decade.

4 hours ago, enigma said:

I am still going to support the player despite what people may think of him. However, he turned 20 a few months ago. He's still young, still raw, but I really hope that this isn't at the expense of Hudson-Odoi or worse, Hazard. Marina isn't a football person, I think we all know that, but what she is, is a fantastic businesswoman. She is a great negotiator and I am positive she will have something up her sleeve for this deal and future deals this month. Maybe she/the board have looked at the books, realised they can afford to splurge a little and Pulisic is one of a few players incoming. Pulisic is a signing for next season though, not this season. Any money made this season will go towards that signing I am sure. 

Hopefully not. I hope CHO signs a new contract. He should get more game time this month with the injuries and scheduling too. Seeing statements such as this makes me feel more optimistic.

Liam Twomey

 

✔ @liam_twomey

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Dortmund didn't want to let Pulisic go in January, but I'm told the player also prefers a summer move to Stamford Bridge.

The thinking is that a full preseason will give him the best possible opportunity to impress Sarri & earn a starting spot #cfc

Liam Twomey

 

✔ @liam_twomey

 

Don't presume that Pulisic signing means Hazard is gone, or that Hudson-Odoi will be sold. Chelsea would love to go into next season with all three #cfc

 

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6 minutes ago, TomCFC85 said:

Pulisic? That's an odd way to spell Alex Sandro

Let it go man. :s

1 hour ago, MANoWAR said:

Absolutely not. He properly stalled which is the reason why he isn't a starter -- Dortmund's current crop of forwards and wingers look a lot better than when Pulisic was playing. In fact, looking at some of the Dortmund's 

comments over on Reddit, he stalled for two seasons. You can say that we've bought potential but  60m euros is fee we should be paying for somebody who's consistently shown that he has the potential to be

a world beater, not somebody who might become good.   We need to buy players that immediately show our ambition to rise to the top, and    nothing Pulisic has done reflects this, particularly if we don't sign any more top end wingers. 

Comments on reddit.....

Im sorry I have seen enough drivel today so I’m not going to entertain the yahoos who post on reddit.

I think it’s pretty reasonable to hold off on the theatrics and throwing the toys out the pram until he’s at least played a few games for us

and btw £58 million isn’t a huge fee anymore, we are in a transfer market where absolute dross go for over £30 million in England. You really need to evaluate the whole situation before throwing a hissy fit over us buying a talented young player 

Edited January 2, 20197 yr by Chelsbear