11 minutes ago, shedpensioner said:

Roman has completely lost interest so I’d imagine that Sarri is here to stay.

The problems the club find itself in at the moment are huge.

When you speak to Roman next can you ask him to pay off my mortgage for me. Cheers. 

5 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

When you speak to Roman next can you ask him to pay off my mortgage for me. Cheers. 

Just called and asked him for you, sorry mate, he said he’s a bit skint at the moment! 

Sarri should be empowered to sort out this bunch of f**kers we have who pick and choose when to put the effort in or not. Go into training tomorrow, tell them to either give 100% and play for him or speak up now and f**k off out of this club. I don't care which of them wants to leave anymore, too many of them don't give a sh*t.f**k them.

Simeone would perfectly suit Chelsea.

Great manager with huge passion.

22 minutes ago, dkw said:

Sarri should be empowered to sort out this bunch of f**kers we have who pick and choose when to put the effort in or not. Go into training tomorrow, tell them to either give 100% and play for him or speak up now and f**k off out of this club. I don't care which of them wants to leave anymore, too many of them don't give a sh*t.f**k them.

I reckon that would be most of them. It would please me if most went to be honest.

I only would hope we would retain Kepa, azpi, rudiger, ampadu, mount, kante, CHO, christensen and Abraham.

31 minutes ago, shedpensioner said:

Just called and asked him for you, sorry mate, he said he’s a bit skint at the moment! 

Probably is after breaking the transfer record for a goal keeper while not being interested any more. 

Man !!! Delete this sh*tty thread ! Just cos we are having a few insipid performance and have lost is no reason to call for the managers head! 

4 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm not even going to go there yet, but we know what this club is like for sacking managers so it wouldn't surprise me if he is gone soon, I said the same when there was a poll running about who would replace Conte.

The club can either keep up this hiring and firing act or stick by the manager and tell the players to deal with it or leave.

It's going to have to be the latter, we can't keep going through this cycle of managers. 

22 minutes ago, DiegoCostaLegend said:

Simeone would perfectly suit Chelsea.

Great manager with huge passion.

And when Simeone comes here and we're struggling what then? On to the next one? 

I heard all this last season with Sarri, it's time to put more faith into the manager, it's obviously the players who are mostly at fault here. 

15 minutes ago, Slojo said:

And when Simeone comes here and we're struggling what then? On to the next one? 

I heard all this last season with Sarri, it's time to put more faith into the manager, it's obviously the players who are mostly at fault here. 

Unlike Sarri, Simeone has a proven record. He won the league against Barca and Real. He twice reached the CL final and should have won one of them.

He won the Copa del Rey. Simeone is the young Mourinho from the first Chelsea stint.

20 minutes ago, Slojo said:

It's going to have to be the latter, we can't keep going through this cycle of managers. 

I agree on this occasion, but Conte and especially Jose had to go regardless of any player problem.

18 minutes ago, Slojo said:

And when Simeone comes here and we're struggling what then? On to the next one? 

I heard all this last season with Sarri, it's time to put more faith into the manager, it's obviously the players who are mostly at fault here. 

i do not get this the players are at fault thing, at the end of the day if they are not performing, for what ever the reason, the buck stops at the manager every time, it is his job to get them playing for him, and believing in him, look at klopp at liverpool, i know he has been given time but the players seem to have been for him from the off

Just now, luckywerthers said:

i do not get this the players are at fault thing, at the end of the day if they are not performing, for what ever the reason, the buck stops at the manager every time, it is his job to get them playing for him, and believing in him, look at klopp at liverpool, i know he has been given time but the players seem to have been for him from the off

They couldn't defend properly under Klopp for two years until he broke positional transfer records for reinforcements.

While Sarri isn't completely blameless our problem right now is a lot more personnel than strategic.

16 minutes ago, DiegoCostaLegend said:

Unlike Sarri, Simeone has a proven record. He won the league against Barca and Real. He twice reached the CL final and should have won one of them.

He won the Copa del Rey. Simeone is the young Mourinho from the first Chelsea stint.

Unlike Serie A, Liga is a regular competition. It isn't Sarri's fault. 

1 hour ago, DiegoCostaLegend said:

Simeone would perfectly suit Chelsea.

Great manager with huge passion.

And undo all of the hard work?

We’re transitioning from a defensive to an attacking team, you have to remember this is our first season as an attackin* team for a very long time. No wonder it’s not perfect, all it needs is time just like City and Liverpool needed time.

Sarri may not be the man to turn us into an attacking force but he definitely is the first step. If we’re going to sack him, then we better stick to attacking minded managers because if we revert back to defensive football, we’re back to square one.

IMO Sarri will deliver, give him the players and time.

34 minutes ago, Argo said:

I agree on this occasion, but Conte and especially Jose had to go regardless of any player problem.

I'm not going to get into this argument with you again but let's not pretend that Conte and Jose were 100% at fault, it's a bit of a coincidence that every manager we have here falls to player power and once they go our players make a miraculous recovery. 

Edited January 20, 20197 yr by Slojo

31 minutes ago, luckywerthers said:

i do not get this the players are at fault thing, at the end of the day if they are not performing, for what ever the reason, the buck stops at the manager every time, it is his job to get them playing for him, and believing in him, look at klopp at liverpool, i know he has been given time but the players seem to have been for him from the off

And to help a manager succeed you need to give them stability, taking the players side over the manager will not help the situation. 

How are they supposed to take orders and be disciplined by the gaffer if they can just hold him ransom whenever they want? Sarri has to lay down the mark, the club should stand by Sarri, if not then why did we even hire him in the first place if we don't have any faith in him? 

I am curious, Where exactly did the notion that the players are not playing for Sarri come from?  

In the game that I saw yesterday, the players were trying hard to win the game, I did not see a lack of effort or passion - What I saw was our opponents making life difficult for us, us struggling to keep pace with them and making sloppy passes cos of being hurried and us being unlucky with not scoring (Alonso header / Kante's inability to get the shot etc ).

This is similar to the Tottenham game - they had a game plan to stop us and executed it to the tee and it worked. I dont think there is a player revolt (yet).

7 hours ago, Skinnedy said:

2. Hazard is more effective out wide. He has the freedom to drift, but when he drops back and starts running at the defense, there is no center forward??????? to play off of, because he's the center forward and he's vacated that spo?t. ??

To back what I was saying. Here is Hazard's heat map in the final third. He drifts to where he is most comfortable. But now he has to take on multiple defenders without help, because he's the center forward. No one fills that spot. Essentially, with that front three, we're playing with 10 men as Hazard makes Willian redundant. 

 

2 hours ago, brownindian said:

I am curious, Where exactly did the notion that the players are not playing for Sarri come from?  

In the game that I saw yesterday, the players were trying hard to win the game, I did not see a lack of effort or passion - What I saw was our opponents making life difficult for us, us struggling to keep pace with them and making sloppy passes cos of being hurried and us being unlucky with not scoring (Alonso header / Kante's inability to get the shot etc ).

This is similar to the Tottenham game - they had a game plan to stop us and executed it to the tee and it worked. I dont think there is a player revolt (yet).

They are just not having the fighting spirit that Sarri complained about.
You did not see any lack of effort or passion during the game? It was so crystal clear that Arsenal players were more into it, getting on top of most balls and waving their hands after every call they didn't get, they wanted it more and it was evident. As soon as the game started there was a clear one sided overwhelming push of Arsenal to score.

5 hours ago, shedpensioner said:

Roman has completely lost interest so I’d imagine that Sarri is here to stay.

The problems the club find itself in at the moment are huge.

Which is why I think it's best for Roman to sell up. I think he's brought in people (especially Marina) who are not football people. We still haven't replaced the DOF. Roman won't sack Marina, she is his closest confidant. 

Problems -

RA & Russian bird run club. Romans visa issues & UK- Russian relations must impact club, never see RA on the telly much at the Bridge anymore. 

Some players not suited to this new system. However as there is no structure within the club the recruitment is puzzling. Pulisic in and Fab out don’t make sense considering imediate needs. Higuain in next an over 30 striker and we only offer that age group 1 year contracts.

Player power. Seen it here with a few managers (4) and recently at Man U.  Up to the owner to sort that out, they are not.

Sarri is coach not manager. Says it all. 

Its a mess, but it is like this every other season now. 

This is good punditry from NBC over here 

https://mobile.twitter.com/cfcdaily/status/1087091643579318273?s=12

Edited January 21, 20197 yr by General

It's easy now to forget that most fans were very vocal about how super defensive our tactic was last season under Conte and many were simply pissed off about it, where we had around 30% of possession against better teams and so on...This is why Sarri got the job, to finally stop this "parking the bus" theme that was present for years.
And now after a half of a season many fans are pointing out how "they told us it will be fun and we'll be scoring a lot of goals"...

Klopp made Liverpool work after he first spent a lot in attack and then the next season spent even more on defense, Guardiola spent crazy even when ManCity was already a strong top 4 team.

Fact is the club had the wind at its back for years with the players from 2003/04-2014/15 but now its the second time that Roman needs to find new players that he wants to see and make it happen because the board or the scouts have no idea.

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

They are just not having the fighting spirit that Sarri complained about.
You did not see any lack of effort or passion during the game? It was so crystal clear that Arsenal players were more into it, getting on top of most balls and waving their hands after every call they didn't get, they wanted it more and it was evident. As soon as the game started there was a clear one sided overwhelming push of Arsenal to score.

No amount of passion is going to help me if i get into the ring with Mike Tyson. While Chelsea's case is not so bleak I would say that it is not lack of passion for why we lost. Why do you feel that way ? I am curious.

What i saw was a Chelsea team that was physically hounded, harried and were misplacing passes. They were not running relaxed or casually. Even towards the end of the game we were trying but we just could not get it right. Alonso was making runs, Caesar was making runs everyone did the best they could. This Arsenal team came to trouble us and once they got the lead they sat back and defended deep and tried to hit us on counter. We sadly are in a goal scoring rut and that is why we lost. I could count a few instances - a Luiz pass to Pedro that was on the wrong side for Pedro, Hazard through ball across the goal with no one at the end of it, Alonso header, Kante in a good position to shoot but got out defended. If we lacked passion - all these chances would not be created. 

I am going to assume that u are a Chelsea fan for longer than Sarri has joined us. Do you remember how Chelsea played under Conte or Mourinho when they were dead men walking ? To me, that felt more like lack of passion than this display. Also, this season there have been many instances where after taking the lead we decided to sit back and ease letting the other team into the game, that too you can say is cos of lack of passion. This game against Arsenal was lost not cos Chelsea lacked passion, but because Arsenal came better prepared.

8 hours ago, dkw said:

Sarri should be empowered to sort out this bunch of f**kers we have who pick and choose when to put the effort in or not. Go into training tomorrow, tell them to either give 100% and play for him or speak up now and f**k off out of this club. I don't care which of them wants to leave anymore, too many of them don't give a sh*t.f**k them.

Would it be nice if it was that simple. I don't think this tactic would work in any club these days. You need soft man management.