Just now, luckywerthers said:

i can not believe that any body can still defend sarri after this, a bottom 4 side would not of got turned over by 6 goals, he can not motivate these players and that is probably because they do not believe in him or his tactics

I can quite easily defend him on the basis that he has a really difficult job. He's turning a side that for a long time have been far too comfortable, pragmatic, slow and defensive oriented to a fluid fast attacking team. 

We've played by far one of the hardest sides to ever grace the Premier League and we've got spanked, we have to take it on the chin and move on, why change the project now? We must accept that the team is in transition. 

2 minutes ago, coco said:

two lauging emojis and you think im arguing. come on dont be depressed and miss the emojis.

Apologise, I'm probably just a bit thin skinned over the match at the moment. 

16 minutes ago, wallosh said:

1 hour ago, enigma said:

They have a better team. We have Hazard as the only elite player. Poch has also been given a lot of time. 

We have a better team than Spurs!

Yeah, when we can be bothered. When the players actually put everything into a game, we tend to get the upper hand on them, but at the same time, we have put in two gutless performances against them in the last year.

So anything who wants him sacked going to suggest a replacement?

Just now, Brutos said:

So anything who wants him sacked going to suggest a replacement?

there is not one

13 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Really? When was the last time we lost by that scoreline? How often do we lose like that? 

By the way, I'm not having a go at Sarri, it's mostly the players I'm angry with. 

When we were being destroyed left right and centre and they scored 2 goals by that point and missed an empty goal, i think its safe to assume we all thought it could be a cricket score. If you said it will be 6-0, that would of been impressive.

17 minutes ago, El_Phenomeno said:

Sorry but this what everyone wanted. I distinctly remember most fukers on here wanting to see possession and attacking football and would be quite happy to lose trying. You got what you wanted so fck off.

Sarri is not a winner, he played good football with Napoli but they didnt win anything. Conte on the otherhand was a serial winner..4 leagues..3 Italien and then PL on the trot. At the same time

Conte was not stupid..he knew he couldnt play attacking football with these sh!t players..so he adapted and pulled a miracle winning the league and fa cup. If he was backed in the tfr market im sure he would have made the style slightly more expansive. 

Any manager who has ever won anything is able to adapt..has different strategies for different games..changes tactics. Sarri hasnt changed once..in fact ive never seen a coach this stubborn. Hence, why hel never win anything. 

Sarri has repeatedly criticised the players in public in the last month. The only other coach whose done that is Morinho..but as a player youd rather take that criticism from one of the most successful managerd ever. Not a former banker smoker whose never won anything. 

Sarri has had the worst start then all managers in last 16 years..including scolari and AVB. 

He is playing the greatest defensive midfielder weve ever seen out of position. Its because of Kante Leicester, Chelsea and France won the fcking league and world cup. What do you do? Start playing him right wing ahahahaha.

But its ok everyone wanted lovely attacking football. 

He is out of his depth on so many levels..tactics, ability to change a game, player selection, motivating, handling press..endless list. 

Chelsea have never looked this spineless..he has singlehandedly taken away the identity of Chelsea FC. 

Give him time? For what ..hes never won anything. Klopp and Guardiola at least won so they were working towards something and always demonstrated competencies in key skills that Sarri has failed miserably in already.

Unfortunately i agree with this completely. The only difference is, we arent even really getting attacking football either. We have been struggling for goals for months now. 

45 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

I'm 57, and my mind goes back to that horrendous Easter in 1986 when we were - believe it or not - competing for the title and lost 0-4 at home to West Ham and 6-0 at QPR.

We were relegated two years later.

I was at QPHa that day, left at 4-0 and was in my local in Fulham before the game ended.

13 minutes ago, Brutos said:

So anything who wants him sacked going to suggest a replacement?

Reminds me of when they replaced Roy Hattersley with a tub of lard on Have I got news for you. ANYTHING would be preferable after today.

I think back to a game we lost at Rotherham 6-0 when we were in a dogfight to get relegated to the old Div 3. I remember the manager afterwards saying we were lucky to get nil. That would sum it up pretty well today too sadly 

22 minutes ago, El_Phenomeno said:

Sorry but this what everyone wanted. I distinctly remember most fukers on here wanting to see possession and attacking football and would be quite happy to lose trying. You got what you wanted so fck off.

Sarri is not a winner, he played good football with Napoli but they didnt win anything. Conte on the otherhand was a serial winner..4 leagues..3 Italien and then PL on the trot. At the same time

Conte was not stupid..he knew he couldnt play attacking football with these sh!t players..so he adapted and pulled a miracle winning the league and fa cup. If he was backed in the tfr market im sure he would have made the style slightly more expansive. 

Any manager who has ever won anything is able to adapt..has different strategies for different games..changes tactics. Sarri hasnt changed once..in fact ive never seen a coach this stubborn. Hence, why hel never win anything. 

Sarri has repeatedly criticised the players in public in the last month. The only other coach whose done that is Morinho..but as a player youd rather take that criticism from one of the most successful managerd ever. Not a former banker smoker whose never won anything. 

Sarri has had the worst start then all managers in last 16 years..including scolari and AVB. 

He is playing the greatest defensive midfielder weve ever seen out of position. Its because of Kante Leicester, Chelsea and France won the fcking league and world cup. What do you do? Start playing him right wing ahahahaha.

But its ok everyone wanted lovely attacking football. 

He is out of his depth on so many levels..tactics, ability to change a game, player selection, motivating, handling press..endless list. 

Chelsea have never looked this spineless..he has singlehandedly taken away the identity of Chelsea FC. 

Give him time? For what ..hes never won anything. Klopp and Guardiola at least won so they were working towards something and always demonstrated competencies in key skills that Sarri has failed miserably in already.

Exactly. I have said that 1 year ago. People was slamming at me. Now the same people hide and change their opinion and it`s so funny.

Once again and i hope it`s for last time. Sexy attacking football is working with a lot of given time to the manager and as well world class players. Otherwise you may play nice football, but result will missing and the whole point of the football. Also you have to got the right man for the job.

And to be fair if we talk about fully attacking football, only Guardiola is real quality. Tuchel, Sarri, Emeri are not that quality. Far behind.

There is a lot better lets said counter-attacking mided coaches out there.

Like Max Alegri for example. Even Zidane in Real Madrid with all this good player, didn`t play dominating possession football. He was relying on fast pace counter attacking football. He did plenty of win against big side like that. Even vs Atletico on the CL finals he play like that. But the class of player there was different.

You don`t need 80% ball possession to play good and eye pleasing football. That is completely wrong.

Ancelotti first season and Conte first season to me was the perfect football we play.

With Conte we scored a lot of goals, we wasn`t not in defensive position for the most of time, unlike with Jose, who goes totally off the bar with defese.

We played great in Conte first season, scored a lot of goals, second season was bad, due to a lot of issue, and everyone already knows them.
Some don`t want to admit it, but now it`s shows.

 

 

 

Even if the ultimate aim is 80% possession and eye catching football - it was never going happen in the first season against Pep's Man City.  So how about some sort of Plan B then eh?

Whoever does come in after Sarri is going look like a genius just by moving Kante to play where he is supposed to!

 

Guardiola on Sarri etc: "People don't understand how difficult it is to do something. In my first season it was tough too. It takes time, it needs owners to really believe in that. I don't have to convince Txiki, he knows me. He knows I'm not good when I win or bad when I lose."

 

I think Pep hit the nail on the head when he said that it depends how much the owner wants want attacking football. 

If they sack Sarri, it means they have given up. 

A hard one to bounce back from.Wrong tactics and team selection and too many below par performances.sh*t happens i suppose.

Stats from the City losses under Conte: 

 

0 - 1 loss at home our stats for that game were:

Shots on target = 2 

Shots in total = 4 

Possession = 38%

 

1 - 0 loss away at City under Conte: 

Shots on target = 0

Shots in total = 3 

Possession = 28% 

 

Stats from City games under Sarri: 

2-0 win at home: 

Shots on target = 5 

Shots in total = 8 

Possession = 38% 

 

0-6 away loss today under Sarri: 

Shots on target = 4 

Shots in total = 12 

Possession = 44% 

 

 

5 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Guardiola on Sarri etc: "People don't understand how difficult it is to do something. In my first season it was tough too. It takes time, it needs owners to really believe in that. I don't have to convince Txiki, he knows me. He knows I'm not good when I win or bad when I lose."

 

I think Pep hit the nail on the head when he said that it depends how much the owner wants want attacking football. 

If they sack Sarri, it means they have given up. 

Doesn't mean they have given up - would just mean he is not the right man for the job.  Pep has a track record, Sarri doesn't

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by hutchslongthrow
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13 minutes ago, loshlosh said:

Exactly. I have said that 1 year ago. People was slamming at me. Now the same people hide and change their opinion and it`s so funny.

Once again and i hope it`s for last time. Sexy attacking football is working with a lot of given time to the manager and as well world class players. Otherwise you may play nice football, but result will missing and the whole point of the football. Also you have to got the right man for the job.

And to be fair if we talk about fully attacking football, only Guardiola is real quality. Tuchel, Sarri, Emeri are not that quality. Far behind.

There is a lot better lets said counter-attacking mided coaches out there.

Like Max Alegri for example. Even Zidane in Real Madrid with all this good player, didn`t play dominating possession football. He was relying on fast pace counter attacking football. He did plenty of win against big side like that. Even vs Atletico on the CL finals he play like that. But the class of player there was different.

You don`t need 80% ball possession to play good and eye pleasing football. That is completely wrong.

Ancelotti first season and Conte first season to me was the perfect football we play.

With Conte we scored a lot of goals, we wasn`t not in defensive position for the most of time, unlike with Jose, who goes totally off the bar with defese.

We played great in Conte first season, scored a lot of goals, second season was bad, due to a lot of issue, and everyone already knows them.
Some don`t want to admit it, but now it`s shows.

 

 

 

Real Madrid and Juventus both have game changers and don't rely on a single player like we do in Hazard. It's been like this for the past two/three seasons. Of course good coaches will win consistently if given world class talent. We barely have two world class players and one of them (Kante) is not a game changer. The club has invested unwisely in the market and now they are reaping what they sow, and not in a good way. This club has been bi-polar for years, it doesn't have an identity but tries to create one without an actual plan, and the board then buys players who suit one system, only to sack a coach and go with another whose system is a total opposite. And people are surprised when it isn't successful as a club strategy for success lol. 

So did not catch the game. How did we do?

On 06/02/2019 at 08:29, robdog said:

I remember this match in Anfield a couple of years back & playing the B squad worked in that game - oh wait - that is when Stevie G slipped

 

 

Thanks for sharing that robdog. We all needed cheering up 

Which reminds me, if there was a silver lining. It's that Liverpool are no longer top.

16 minutes ago, hutchslongthrow said:

Doesn't mean they have given up - would just mean he is not the right man for the job.  Pep has a track record, Sarri doesn't

Track record of what exactly? Pellegrini has won the league with city, do you think he is an ideal candidate for the job? You can go through a whole list of managers as long as my arm who have "won things" yet doesn't mean they are or will be the right man for the job or even if they will have success. Klopp has been given time by Liverpool to build a squad, as well as smart investment by their board. Last season Sarri achieved 91 points with Napoli only to be beaten to the title by Juventus who amassed 95 points. The 2-3 seasons before then, Juventus won the title with 91 points and/or 87 points.

Napoli in any season before then would have won the league. You only have to look at the Premier League to see apart from a couple freak seasons recently, amassing 91 points over the course of the season is difficult enough in any league, including England, and Italy is more tactically adept in many experts and players opinions. I think the proof is in the pudding how good our team can be with patience, backing of the manager and smart investment. However, the problem is, people have no patience and expect everything to come easy and not accept there to be rough periods. 

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by enigma

24 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Guardiola on Sarri etc: "People don't understand how difficult it is to do something. In my first season it was tough too. It takes time, it needs owners to really believe in that. I don't have to convince Txiki, he knows me. He knows I'm not good when I win or bad when I lose."

 

I think Pep hit the nail on the head when he said that it depends how much the owner wants want attacking football. 

If they sack Sarri, it means they have given up. 

The difference of course is that when Guardiola identified teh weakness in his defence his board spent £250m on fixing it. That ain't happening here!

24 minutes ago, enigma said:

Stats from the City losses under Conte: 

 

0 - 1 loss at home our stats for that game were:

Shots on target = 2 

Shots in total = 4 

Possession = 38%

 

1 - 0 loss away at City under Conte: 

Shots on target = 0

Shots in total = 3 

Possession = 28% 

 

Stats from City games under Sarri: 

2-0 win at home: 

Shots on target = 5 

Shots in total = 8 

Possession = 38% 

 

0-6 away loss today under Sarri: 

Shots on target = 4 

Shots in total = 12 

Possession = 44% 

 

 

Why you give Conte second season statistics ? Give the first one. Say he was the first and only one, who manage the do double over Guardiola in a league season.

This is Sarri first year. Gives us Conte stats from first year.

 

5 minutes ago, loshlosh said:

Why you give Conte second season statistics ? Give the first one. Say he was the first and only one, who manage the do double over Guardiola in a league season.

This is Sarri first year. Gives us Conte stats from first year.

 

City were poor in Conte's first season. Pep was in a similar situation to Sarri now, albeit for a couple of much better players at his disposal and a team used to playing attacking football. Before the win at home under Sarri this season, we had lost the previous three meetings with City. The first season under Conte was great, but it was a season in which we had no European fixtures and we had a 20 goal a season striker in Costa, as well as a less competitive league. People are too harsh on Sarri, so we need to put things into perspective for all the reactionaries in our fanbase. 

Most of the comments on here are well founded. Even those expressing outrage are difficult to argue against. Isolating and identifying players for criticism is often viewed as trite and petty on here. Of course a 6-0 drubbing would imply that all of the players have had a shocker.

However, i would like to highlight one incident involving Marcos Alonso. Not the first goal where he inexplicably handed his job over to Hazard who had his back to him, whilst he narrowed off on a position that Luiz already have covered. Not that incident, but shortly after, when Aguero missed his sitter. I was gobsmacked at the time and have had to watch this incident again. At no stage during the development of that play, whcih actually had two distinct phases, is Alonso even aware that Aguero is near him. He is completely oblivious and even as the second phase of that play starts he doesn't even check the back post that he is marking. He never glances over his shoulder at all. I am amazed that a player that spends so much time ball watching is constantly caught on his heels.

Regardless of the tactics, formation, individual mistakes (Barkley wtf), motivation or fitness, on Monday morning when reviewing the video surely somebody must be saying to Alonso, "You are a professional left back, the ball is in our box and will undoubtedly be driven to our back post and as a professional LB you have absolutely no spatial awareness of danger or anybody that you should be marking. You cannot play for the first team again until you can learn to defend."

Or is this just wishful thinking on my part.

1 hour ago, El_Phenomeno said:

Sorry but this what everyone wanted. I distinctly remember most fukers on here wanting to see possession and attacking football and would be quite happy to lose trying. You got what you wanted so fck off.

I think you need to calm down a bit, this is Chelsea forum and we all want Chelsea to win.

Conte lost the players last season they stopped playing for top 4 though turned up at the FA Final and did well then, though the previous season not being involved in Europe gave him the extra time to build a well drilled side.

Re Sarri agree he is stubborn and unlike Conte has not made the best of the squad and has brought us tikki taka football which is toothless against top teams. Most of us that looked forward to a more attacking football did not know about this regista role which detracts from attacking football and can be closed down too easily.

Getting rid of Conte for turning the squad against himself made sense though hiring Sarri now looks like a major error as his insistence on methods that do not suit our squad with no tactical differences against superior teams risks destroying our season.